RFE/RL: You have been very active in the struggle for women's rights in your country -- could you tell us about the situation of women in Iran?
Shirin Ebadi: In Iran the number of educated women is higher than men. According to the latest figures that were released this year, more than 65 percent of Iran's university students are girls. But, unfortunately, women haven't had the opportunity really to demonstrate their capabilities, and more men have entered the labor market. The unemployment rate among women is three times higher than among men.
I don't think that women should necessarily lead society; I believe that capable and experienced people, be it women or men, should lead society.
RFE/RL: What is the reason for the high unemployment rate among women in Iran?
Ebadi: In my opinion, it is the patriarchic culture that gives men priority in all issues. Some say that because men have to respond to the financial needs of their family, it's better if we hire men. But when it comes to hiring someone and employment, the focus should not be on the money issue. The emphasize should be on one's capabilities and expertise.
RFE/RL: Islam gives women and men equal rights, but in most Islamic countries women face discrimination. Why is that?
Ebadi: With a correct interpretation of Islam, we can have equal rights for women. But the problem is that there are wrong interpretations of Islam, which cause discrimination against women. That is why the situation for women in various Islamic countries is different. For example, in Saudi Arabia women can't even drive, but in countries such as Indonesia, Pakistan, and Bangladesh women have been able to become prime minister or president. Or, for example, in some countries -- like Iran -- men are allowed to have several wives [up to four] while in other countries, such as Tunisia, it has been banned. This is because there is not a single interpretation of Islam. We need an interpretation of Islam that recognizes women's rights.
RFE/RL: What is your assessment of women's situation in European countries? Do you think women also face problems in Europe?
Ebadi: Unfortunately, yes. Women face problems in Europe and also in the United States. Their problems are different from the problems women face in Islamic countries. In the United States, they still haven't had a woman president, and there are fewer women ministers [than male ministers]. It's the same in Europe. In the Italian parliament, where we are speaking now, only about 10 percent of the deputies are women.
RFE/RL: You said that in Europe and the United States there aren't enough women leaders. Do you think the leadership of a country should be based on gender?
Ebadi: I don't think that women should necessarily lead a society; I believe that capable and experienced people, be it women or men, should lead society. It means that if a woman is capable, she should not be discriminated against just because she is a woman.
RFE/RL: Could you also tell us something about yourself and your private life?
Women graduating from a police academy in Tehran earlier this month (Fars)