Expert Eye: Professor Elsa Cardozo On Chavez's Recognition Of South Ossetia, Abkhazia

Official Site of the Permanent Mission of the Republic of Abkhazia in Venezuela is launched about a year ago in Spanish. The site is to our knowledge the only comprehensive website in the world which covers Abkhazia in the Spanish language. This is important because there are more native Spanish-speakers worldwide than the number of native English-speakers.

And personally i am glad that Chavez did not Stalin's borders. We know that Abkhazia was fully independent in 1921. Even Georgian Revolutionary Committee recognized the independence of the Soviet Socialist Republic of Abkhazia. Stalin (by Georgian origin) made it a part of the Georgian SSR in 1931.

I can't understand why the western world supporting Stalin's borders!?

Chavez - perhaps the stupidest, most ignorant leader in the Western hemisphere.

Not true Alis Mendes!

In 1921 Sochi region and Northern Abkhazia were invaded by Lenin's Cossacks and Adygeys from Russia that unleashed genocide against Georgians and settled Russians and Adygeys occupants, proclaiming false state – Bolshevik "Abkhazia", while Russian army annexed with it parts of populated by various Georgian ethnographic groups Svanetia, Lazica, Mengrelia and Suhumi with Suhumi region in 1921.
Georgian "revolutionary committee" was just a communist opposition illegal body of mixed with Russians multinationals that might recognize invasion in Abkhazia by Lenin as "Liberated part of Georgia by Bolsheviks from Mensheviks", but the very individuals consider Abkhazia always part of Georgia after the whole Georgia was "Liberated by Red Army from government of Mensheviks", as they saw it.
It is why it was naturally returned back to Georgia when Lenin asked Stalin put him in a personal mad house for a criminally insane, thought it became impossible after to stop Russian military and KGB influx into Abkhazia and South Osetia, till their last invasions.

Read on my site chronology of last Russian invasion into South Osetia:
www.WorldFreedomAndTruth.info

Real Abkhazia was only a Northern tip of it, populated by Apsilians and Sinigians, close ethnographically to Northern-Western Georgians, like Svanetia, Lazica, Sochi region, Imeretia, Colhis, Hetia and Mengrelia at the past, and was always a part of United Kingdoms of various Georgian civilizations for the last several thousand years.
Since 1921 and 1992-93 Most of real Abkhazians are murdered, squeezed out or enslaved even in Northern region.
My ant was married to an Apsilian, WW2 hero, and was burn alive along with Svans family, his two sons were killed execution stile, his grandson, 15 of age, was also murdered, after Russian invaders bestially tortured to death on his eyes his father.

Do I have to learn Spanish language also?
My mother was born in Argentina, but Russian nazi spies destroyed her memory in USA,
to brake me down…

Do you say there are more Spanish speaking brainwashed pro-Russians than English speaking people – painfully familiar Russian expansionists woodwork…
Is Russia so omnipotent that Spanish World and Muslim World united with Russian Neanderthals are to exterminate Human Civilization and Caucasian race following the propaganda like the movie “The 13th warrior” with pseudo-revolutionary race war inspired Banderas and Muslim "Doctor Givago" by Russian Varangian Neanderthals?
At the beginning of the movie they showed map of the World where only Moslem World Empire, Russian Norman Empire and Hazar (Chechen) and Tartar they call “bandits” remain… The only Spanish remains in such Russian designed future is Banderas that looks like a spying on me in school in USSR Russian I named once “povoto de m..rdo”.
Maybe he is his son? How old is Banderas?

Konstantin.

For "informed circles" from "informed expert" - cool:))

I am amazed falsification of history by Konstantin!

First of all check in google: 'Kingdom of Abkhazia in year 800' Euratlas and also check 'Historical Maps: Abkhazia at various times in history.'

What do you think about the Georgia's occupation/annexation of independent Abkhazia under the forces of General Mazniashvili, as described in the following.

Ruslan Khodzhaa quotes in his new book from his own earlier 'Documents and Materials of the Abkhazian People's Soviet 1918-1919' (in Russian, Sukhum, 1999) on Mazniashviili's behaviour: 'Not a single tsarist general raged as mercilessly when subjugating the Caucasian peoples as Mazniev in Abkhazia' (p.7). A contemporary assessment of Georgia at this time was given by an objective observer, Englishman Carl Bechhofer: 'The free and independent Social-Democratic government of Georgia will ever remain in my memory as a classical example of an imperialistic minor nationality both in relation to its seizure of territory to within its own borders and in relation to the bureaucratic tyranny inside the state. Its chauvinism exceeds the highest limits' (In Denikin's Russia and the Caucasus, 1919-1920, London 1921).


Genocide agains Georgians and settled Russians and Adyghes? I can't believe.

It was Georgians who gave Russia its first toehold south of the mountains and who aided Russia in the subjugation of the North Caucasians.

And please see: http://www.abkhazworld.com/abkhazia/history/52-demographic-change-in-abkhazia.html

Look and see who SETTLED Abkhazia. See HOW and WHY Abkhazians became minority in their OWN land and HOW Georgians became majority.

Falsification of the Abkhazian history is a favorite method of nationalistic Georgians. Konstantin, thanks for show us to this fact again.

Konstantin, what are you drinking? I am in LA too, want to meet up?

In the 1920s Abkhazia was invaded by both Georgian and Russian forces, all in a mad rush to conquer and control. You are misleading the public who reads these articles with your falsehoods. Second, Adyga people were in a very weak state at the time, having had mass genocide committed against them by the Russians (with the help of Georgians, I may add, look it up) in the late 19th century. How exactly did they invade Abkhazia? Can you prove this with any reliable historical texts, or is this just an argument that you're trying valiantly to throw out there to distract from the true facts?

What YOU are suggesting is complete falsehoods and lies. Abkhazia was emptied of its native population (over 90% were deported to the Ottoman Empire and Europe) and it is well known that there was a mass campaign by Georgians to flood the emptied Abkhazian homeland with Mingrelians. Stalin later accelerated this when he forced Abkhazia to merge with Georgia at the apex of his power as the ruler of the Soviet Union. Conveniently, he himself was an ethnic Georgian too.

Abkhazia and Georgia have a shared history, but this by no means whatsoever allows Georgians to distort, dispel, or distract people from its true history. Abkhazia never gave up its right to govern itself, maintain its culture, uphold its languages, values, history, etc. with the past alliance(s) it had with Georgia. Do not dissuade yourself here.

As far as your Lenin reference, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, and I'd love for you to prove that with reliable and non-revisionist links.

And then you go and offer your website as a reference. That's cute.

Also: what exactly is an "Apsilian"?

Please, read my comments carefully and respond. I am not quite sure you know the true history of this region very well, and that sorrows me to no end. Especially due to the fact that you seem to advertise yourself as a pseudo-intellectual of Caucasian history and current events.

Cheers,
David

to David and Glenn.
You guys are pretty cool flasifiers too :)
To Glenn: actually Bolshevik soviet army occupied first Azerbaijan and have got strong allies in bolshevik South Ossetians before they annexed Georgia..see http://www.youtube.com/user/rrecuerdo#play/favorites/52/TuhUEn-yOZM
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Who settled Abkhasia :) Please google population census from 1886 and you will see that there were 35 % of Georgians living in Abkhasia in 19th century. It is true that some migration occured after Russian-Circassian war and Russian campaign against muslim Abkhaz, but the emptied areas in 19th century were filled by Russians, Armenians, Jews and others.
To David: When Shervashidze was reigning Abkhasia, the actual Abkhasia was not more than Sukhumi district, all other areas were populated by tribal warlords and clans migrating from North Caucasus and Russia and fighting to each other.
I also hope you guys fell so strong for the rights of Mengrelians living in Gali as you feel for independence of Abkhasia. By the way who are Abkhasians, It is bit of a dillema becasue I do not think that current mostly North Caucasian population of various tribes that migrated to Abkhasia has actually to do something with 8th century Abkhas kingdom where Georgian language was an official and religious language. These tribal guys coudl not even make their own written alphabet so it were Russians who have done job for them and cretaed Abkhasian alphabet in 19th century.
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It is time for Washington and Brussels to accept the reality of Abkhazian independence. As Chavez's did.

Rasto, The German general and politician Erich Ludendorff noted: "A protectorate of Georgia allowed us to gain access to resources of the Caucasus and its railways going through Tiflis, which was independent on Turkey. We could not trust Turkey as to this. We could not count on Baku oil, unless we obtained it by ourselves. Using Germany's military support, the Georgian army in June 1918 invaded Abkhazia. Read Carl Erich Bechhofer in my previous reply. Despite that a Marxist government was in power in Georgia, even Klara Zetkin wrote none of the tsar's generals raged so ruthlessly when conquering the Caucasus as General Mazniashvili in Abkhazia. The 1918 November revolution in Germany stripped Georgia of support from the Triple Alliance.

Second, I can strongly recommend you Daniel Muller's 'Ethno-demographic history of Abkhazia, 1886 - 1989' You can find in google.

The mass-immigration of Kartvelians (mostly Mingrelians) goes back to the late 1930s. Abkhaz's script was then altered from a roman to a Georgian base. Abkhaz-language schools were summarily closed in 1945-6, following by a ban on broadcasting and publications. The Abkhazians as a nation were due to face transportation (like the numerous other peoples transported by Stalin from the Koreans in the late 1930s through to Abkhazia's Greeks in the late 1940s), and, as a 'scholarly' justification for that, the literary-historian Pavle Ingoroqva was commissioned to argue in print that the Abkhazians only arrived in Abkhazia in the 17th century, conquering the 'original' Abkhazians of history, who were thus a 'Georgian' tribe. This calumny was revived in the heady days of Georgian nationalism from 1988 AND IS WIDELY BELIEVED BY MANY ORDINARY KARTVELIANS, who for this reason still regard the Abkhazians as unentitled to be living in Abkhazia.

Rasto, it's AbkhaZians not AbkhaSians. Bolshevik power was established in 1918, to endure only 40 days when the Menshevik Georgia, protected by German and British forces, incorporated the area. . In 1921 Soviet power was re-established, and Abkhazia and Georgia signed a Union treaty. Abkhazia was recognised as a Soviet republic by the Bolshevik leaders of Georgia. In 1922, Abkhazia and Georgia entered the Transcaucasian federation as equal parts. In 1931 however, Abkhazia was once again subordinated to Georgia as an autonomous republic. During the repressions in the late 1930s and early 1940s forced assimilation and Georgianisation of Abkhaz took place, led by Beria, head of the Transcaucasian federation at the time. Many Georgians settled in Abkhazia, Abkhaz language was no longer taught in schools, and many prominent Abkhaz were killed. After Stalin, there was again room to work for Abkhaz culture, also thanks to international attention because of the Abkhaz's supposed longevity.

About population please see: The ethno-demographic aspect of the Georgian-Abkhaz conflict - http://www.circassianworld.com/Achugba.html