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Abkhaz Leader: 'We Are An Independent Country And That Will Not Change'

Abkhaz leader Sergei Bagapsh (left) talks with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in Moscow.
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By Danila Galperovich
MOSCOW -- Ties between Abkhazia and Russia have blossomed at a frantic rate ever since Moscow recognized the Georgian breakaway republic's independence following the Russia-Georgia war in 2008.

In the latest step, Abkhazia's de facto leader Sergei Bagapsh says his almost universally unrecognized territory would consider joining a customs union with Russia that would further open the Russian market to Abkhaz trade and help boost investment in the territory.

"We are an independent country and this will not change. But we would consider the possibility of joining a customs union with Russia," Bagapsh told RFE/RL's Russian Service in Moscow today.

Bagapsh was in Moscow to oversee the signing of an agreement allowing Russia to build a military base in the breakaway territory. The base will accommodate at least 3,000 Russian troops already stationed in Abkhazia for at least 49 years.

The Abkhaz leader said the Russian base was necessary for the security of the territory, which broke from Georgia's direct control following a bitter war in the early 1990s in which 15,000 people died and 250,000 ethnic Georgians were expelled.

"We don't want a repeat of what happened in 1992-93. We need a [Russian] base in Abkhazia for the same reason NATO needs a base in Kosovo," Bagapsh said.

"Why do European countries want to join NATO? So they can live safely and peacefully. We also want to live peacefully. We have fought too much and we want to live peacefully with our friends."

Russian Domination

Moscow formally recognized the independence of Abkhazia and a second Georgian breakaway region, South Ossetia, from Tbilisi following the August 2008 five-day war between Russia and Georgia over South Ossetia. Since then, however, only Nicaragua, Venezuela, and the Micronesian island republic of Nauru have followed suit.

The Russian base will be located in the port town of Gudauta, north of the capital Sukhumi. Moscow also has plans to house a naval base in the port of Ochamchire, close to the cease-fire line separating Abkhazia from Georgia proper.

Russia's dominance of Abkhazia has become nearly total, with 4,000 to 5,000 Russian land, air, and naval troops believed to be deployed in the region. Moscow has also been granted control over the territory's borders, airport, and railway system.

Most Abkhaz residents carry Russian passports in order to be able to travel abroad and communicate predominantly in the Russian language. And the Russian ruble remains the territory's official currency.

Soldiers train at Russian military base in Ochamchire.
Abkhazia is also dependent on Moscow for state aid, trade, and foreign investment. Bagapsh says the Russian assistance is needed because Western governments, which do not recognize Abkhazia's independence, have refused to help.

"Things developed in a difficult way for us after the war," Bagapsh said. "European structures are not helping us. Russia is helping. That assistance is targeted so it doesn't get swallowed up somewhere. It is aimed at developing infrastructure and our productive capacity."

No Right Of Return

Prior to the 1992-93 war, ethnic Georgians made up the largest group in Abkhazia. Approximately 50,000-60,000 ethnic Georgians displaced by the war have managed to return to Abkhazia.

But Bagapsh says his government will not allow the remaining 200,000 displaced Georgian to return to their former homes, arguing that such a move would be destabilizing.

"It is not possible for the remaining displaced persons to return. If they return, there would be many people among them who took part in the fighting. Their children fought. Their parents fought. This would lead to another conflict," Bagapsh said.

"I have another idea. Europeans, non-Europeans, and everybody else should not be helping [Georgian President Mikheil] Saakashvili to arm himself. Instead they should use that money to help displaced persons to adapt to life in Georgia. That would be the right thing to do."
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by: HS from: Seattle, WA
February 18, 2010 18:07
One of the most basic criteria for independence is control of one's borders. As the article mentions, Abkhazia has transferred control of its borders to Russia. Another is having your own passport. Yet most Abkhaz have Russian passports. Other criteria can be having one's own currency and one's own language as the predominant language. Yet Abkhazia uses the Russian ruble, and most people conduct their business in Russian rather than Abkhaz. In light of this, the statement that "We are an independent country" does not carry much weight. Add to this a possible customs union with Russia, and permanent basing of Russian troops in Abkhazia, and the "that will not change" part of the statement looks like it really should be "and we are slowly moving towards becoming part of Russia."

by: AJ from: Tbilisi
February 19, 2010 08:42
Whenever I hear the statements of the so-called President Mr. Bagapsh, it reminds me the statement of a man who justifies ethnic cleansing and looks very calmly at the people's fate, almost, 300,000 people who lived in Abkhazia, predominantly ethnically Georgians, although I think that Abkhaz is also part of Georgian ethnos, as my grandmother is Abkhaz for example, he looks very calmly how they lost their homes, their property, where they and their ancestors lived for centuries. This is an ethnic cleansing, who gave the right to Mr. Bagapsh not to allow ethnic Georgians back to their homes and from where "this right" is generated? It is so sad that Abkhazians are used by Russia, some of them of course, just for there military and perceived strategic interests. Anyway, I believe it is not a statement of a pro peace and pro development politician, even of a politician who should take care of a community it belongs to. Not letting back Georgians to their homes where they lived for centuries this is a crime, this is called ethnic cleansing which is punished by International Law. But I am sure that this will not last long and forever. It is just impossible. This did last in Eastern Europe for 50 years, and in the end it ended, so this will end in this part of the world as well. No matter what Mr. Bagapsh or Mr. Medvedev says.

by: Alice from: Denmark
February 19, 2010 09:45
The Bush Administration, in particular, tried to build democracies everywhere in the world and ignored Abkhazia, which was much more democratic in a way than Georgia. Abkhazia is a modern democratic model for the U.S. If America were to support the democratic regime in Abkhazia, then maybe the situation in the Caucasus would be much more peaceful. The Abkhazians are doing what is good for Abkhazia. If it is good for Russia too, there is nothing wrong with that. If not for an independent Abkhazia, Georgia would be part of NATO and there would be American bases on the Black Sea. Russians don’t appreciate enough what Abkhazia did for Russia.

I think national interests are a professional way of formalizing your selfishness. If Abkhazia can do something, and if they can get other countries to help them, then that’s wise politics.

What western governments don’t seem to get is that, if you don’t work with Abkhazia, you push Abkhazia back to Russia. That is stupid, because Abkhazia becomes more and more a Russian monopoly.

by: Metin from: Turkey
February 19, 2010 12:59
Unfortunately we see many many different numbers on Georgian refuuges like the comment here. On February 15, 2010 Saakashvili mentioned ''expulsion of 500,000 people from Abkhazia.'' This news can be found in Civil.ge (Title: Abkhaz Leader Congratulates Yanukovych). Now we see, 300,000 figure. According to the 1989 census Abkhazia's total population was 525,061 and there were only 239,872 "Georgians" living in Abkhazia. Some of them NEVER left Abkhazia after 1992 - 93 war. Abkhazia unilaterally decided to open the gates for the (largely Mingrelian) refugees to return to Abkhazia from Georgia in 1999. Georgia at that time was actually accusing these refugees of being TRAITORS to Georgia. Since the 1992-93 Georgian - Abkhazian war, more than 60,000 refugees have been successfully resettled in Abkhazia. Refugees is always a big problem and it was NOT Abkhazia who bare responsibility for them - it is Georgia that STARTED the war and created huge humanitarian catastrophy.

I strongly recommend a Georgian documentary about the 1992 - 93 war. It's Mamuka Kuparadze's ''Absence of Will''. Georgia will not get anything with the black propogandas.

by: Rasto from: UK
February 19, 2010 13:40
to Alice: I do not have any problems in case Abkhazians do what is good to them. But same time they should not forget about 50 000 Georgians living in Gali district for centuries, who are suddenly forced to became de facto Russian citizens banned to visit their relatives who lived 17 years in same country. Not talking about fact that basic protection and rights of Georgians in Abkhazia are not guaranteed and as such they are constantly robbed abd bullied by Abkhazians and Russians.

by: Koba from: Washington, DC
February 19, 2010 14:48
Abkhazia is a de facto autonomous republic within the Russian Federation and a de jure autonomous republic within Georgia.

It is NOT an independent country by ANY means.

To Alice: describing Abkhazia as democratic is laughable at best. And you know it. They a have a two-tier citizenship system where it is an official policy on government's part to overtly exclude and discriminate against ethnic Georgians (kidnaping, turturing, etc.) Is this your definition of democracy?
The post-1993 Abkhazia has been, and continues to be, a hellhole. It is a fertile ground for uninhibited illegal arms trade, human trafficking, and narcotics transit business.

by: sephia karta from: taklama.wordpress.com
February 19, 2010 15:38
HJ, your presuppositions are mistaken, these things don't define independence, and I don't know where you got that idea. You are implying that Micronesia, Palau and the Marshall Islands are not independent either. They use the American dollar as their currency, conduct their business in English and as for border guards: they don't even their own army, everything is done by the American army, which even has the right to *demand* land for operating bases.

As for passports, Alice makes a very good point: if other countries accepted Abkhazian passports, Abkhazians wouldn't need Russian ones. Are you aware of the fact that many Moldovans have Romanian passports, just because it gives them easy access to the European Union? It doesn't change the fact that Moldova is an independent state.

by: Buck from: USA
February 19, 2010 15:46
The Bush Administration tried to build democracies in oil-rich and/or strategically important regions. Building democracies via war doesn't seem particularly democratic to me. Notice he didn't invade China, Myanmar, Equatorial Guinea, or Lesotho, all patently undemocratic regimes. In terms of US interests abroad, Abkhazia and Georgia are small pieces on a vast gameboard. It's far more in US interests not to rile Russia too much.

by: Brazilian Man from: São Paulo - SP, Brazil
February 19, 2010 19:13
Sergei Bagapsh, Dmitry Medvedev. Vladimir Putin: Master of the Puppets.

by: George from: Georgia
February 20, 2010 22:26
Look guys, I am from Abkhazia and I am an ethnic abkhaz. Now I live in Georgia proper, because my family was expelled from Sokhumi in 90's, but I have lot of relatives still there. I know the people who live there and dont think they are all criminals. This are poor people, who were manipulated by russia. I dont justifie the events of 90's neither from georgian nor by abkhaz side. It was a historical mistake. But today I live in normal conditions and I've got all an ordinary citizen needs. Abkhazs on the ground know it very well, they know that the way towards europe goes vie Georgia, not via russia. They dont really like Georgia, but they hate russia. russian military presence is too high. They know that it would be better to be a part of Georgia and live like other georgians than have this pseudo independence. Bagapsh, Shamba, Gvinjia they know it too, but unfortunately they have no choice.
It is difficult to talk about this, I remember the 90's very well and I miss everything in my once beautiful town of Sokhumi. I just want to say that abkhazs on the ground prefere a return in Georgia than permanent occupations of russia and they see it also as an occupation.
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