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Armenian Foreign Minister Warns Turkey, Cools Karabakh Peace Talk

“Had there been preconditions, we would not have started this process [of rapprochement with Turkey] and reached agreements in the first place," Armenian Foreign Minister Eduard Nalbandian (in a screen grab) told RFE/RL's Armenian Service.
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By Anna Israelian, Aghasi Yenokian
YEREVAN -- Turkey will risk reversing its unprecedented rapprochement with Armenia if it persists in linking the process with a resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict desired by Azerbaijan, Foreign Minister Eduard Nalbandian has said.

In a videotaped studio interview on January 17 with RFE/RL's Armenian Service (here in Armenian), Nalbandian also sought to cool talk of an imminent settlement of Nagorno-Karabakh, saying that Baku is "not prepared for mutual concessions in 2010."

Commenting on the continuing Turkish linkage of the two issues, Nalbandian reiterated his government's arguments that Ankara and Yerevan set no preconditions when they embarked in 2008 on an intensive dialogue culminating in the signing in October of two agreements to normalize bilateral relations. He also argued that neither "protocol" makes any mention of the Karabakh dispute. The interview with Nalbandian was aired by both the Artsakh public television broadcaster inside Nagorno-Karabakh, as well as by regional Armenian TV.

"Had there been preconditions, we would not have started this process and reached agreements in the first place," said Nalbandian.

"If one of the parties is creating artificial obstacles, dragging out things, that means it is assuming responsibility for the failure of this process," he warned.

President Serzh Sarkisian, who is meeting today in Moscow with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, explicitly threatened last month to walk away from the agreements if the Turkish side fails to ratify them unconditionally and "within a reasonable time frame." But he did not set any concrete deadlines for Turkish ratification.

Nalbandian also avoided mentioning any dates, stressing instead the fact that Western powers and Russia also stand for an unconditional normalization of Turkish-Armenian relations.

“If Turkey takes a step back, then this will be not only a violation of the agreements with Armenia but will demonstrate that it is not respecting the international community’s opinion, with all resulting consequences and the loss of credibility in the first instance,” he said.

“Armenia, on the other hand, will -- let’s not say win -- not lose anything that we had before this process,” he added.

Denounced Aliyev Statements

The minister went on to dismiss domestic opposition criticism of the protocols and, in particular, a clause envisaging the creation of a Turkish-Armenian “subcommission” of history experts.

“If we were to believe in what opponents of the protocols have said, then Turkey should have rushed to ratify these protocols a long time ago,” he scoffed.

Nalbandian insisted that the Sarkisian administration will not stop campaigning for greater international recognition as genocide of the 1915 mass killings and deportations of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, despite agreeing to what is expected to be a joint Turkish-Armenian study of the issue. The subcommission in question, he said, would be tasked with "restoring mutual understanding and trust between the two peoples," rather than determining whether the massacres constituted genocide.

Such statements show that Azerbaijan is not prepared for mutual concessions in 2010 as well, and that Azerbaijan remains a threat to the security of the Karabakh people.
Turning to the Karabakh conflict, Nalbandian denounced Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev’s latest threats to win back the disputed territory by force.

“Such statements show that Azerbaijan is not prepared for mutual concessions in 2010 as well, and that Azerbaijan remains a threat to the security of the Karabakh people,” he said, adding that they “cannot make any impact on or intimidate Armenia or Artsakh [Karabakh].”

Aliyev issued the warning in a New Year’s address to his nation. He also claimed to have secured broad international support for Karabakh’s return under Azerbaijani rule.

Nalbandian brushed aside the claim.

“What are the mediating countries saying? They are saying what Armenia says: That the Karabakh problem should be solved in accordance with the principles and norms of international law and, in particular, the principles of nonuse of force, self-determination and territorial integrity,” he said. “This is made clear in the statement which was recently adopted in Athens by the 56 OSCE member states.”

“Azerbaijan’s leadership is trying to predetermine the result of the negotiations,” he continued. “Namely, the question of Karabakh’s status, Karabakh’s self-determination. And yet the question of Karabakh’s status must be decided by the people of Artsakh themselves.”

'Basic Principles'

Nalbandian pointed to a joint statement on Karabakh that was issued by the presidents of the United States, Russia, and France -- the three countries spearheading the peace process -- in July. The statement reaffirmed, in general terms, the essence of the “basic principles” of Karabakh peace proposed by the American, French, and Russian co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group.

“Contrary to Baku’s claims, it is indicated there that the people of Karabakh hold the key to the Karabakh settlement,” said Nalbandian. He also stressed the importance for the Armenian side of the reference to peoples’ self-determination made in a Karabakh-related declaration that was adopted during an OSCE ministerial conference in Athens last November.

“It was the first time that such a statement upheld the right to self-determination,” he added. “A statement that was also signed by Azerbaijan.”

Azerbaijani leaders maintain, however, that under the existing Minsk Group proposals, Karabakh’s predominantly ethnic Armenian population would be able to exercise that right only within the framework of Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity. These diametrically opposite interpretations of the proposed deal raise questions about the mediators’ ability to get the conflicting parties to overcome their remaining disagreements anytime soon.

Nalbandian cautioned against excessive expectations from the negotiating process in the coming months.

“I see no point in artificially accelerating the process, and I think everybody agrees with that,” he said.

“Of course, some progress in bringing the parties’ positions closer to each other was registered last year,” he added. “But that was not enough to achieve a breakthrough. If we are able to maintain the positive dynamic of 2009, then it will be possible to improve prospects for the conflict’s resolution.”
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by: Hamik C Gregory from: Reno, NV USA
January 18, 2010 18:37
Azeris should simply get used to the idea that Negorno Karabakh is gone for ever! They should start thinking about the future and provide jobs and prosperity for those poor Azeri refugees living in dirty railroad boxcars in Baku. It is inhumane to keep those refugees destitute and disfranchised so they can be used as bargaining chips against Armenia. Those children growing up need better living conditions and guaranteed jobs for the future. If they are deprived of a share in Azeri oil revenues, they might grow up desperate and lash out against the government in Baku. Their hatred might not be directed against Armenia but against politicians in Azerbaijan! If I was an observant Azeri politician, I would focus my time and energy on these refugees and all Azeris in general. My political focus will not be on diatribe, propaganda, and hate speeches against Armenia.

by: Ardan Zenturk from: Istanbul, Turkey
January 18, 2010 23:44
Sir,
Talking only on Nagorno Karabakh problem means to cover aggresive policies that had been taken by the Yerevan governments in the past. The real problem in the Caucasus is the invasion on the Azerbaijan's soil. Everybody would think that Nagorno Karabakh problem is a two sided problem between Yerevan and Baku. But, not only Nagorno Karabakh, additional nearly 25 percent of the Azerbaijan's soil is under the invasion of Armenia which is totally against the international law and all human rights standarts. Nearly 1 million Turks are living in the refugee camps and young people that had no chance to see their grandfather's and father's soil are waiting to go back their cities or towns which are under military agression. This is a double standart for all humanity and shame for the "civilized world..." How can we permit such kind of agression and "genocide attempt" like in Hodjali to Azeri Turks in last more than 20 years? Turkey's policy is very clear and fortunately not based on double standarts of the European countries, US or Russia. Turkey is the one of the pioneer country against Israel's aggression against Palestinians living in Gazza. Ankara has the same policy against any aggression in the region such as Armenia's invasion on its neighbours soil. This is not the totally "Turkish solidarity". This is the principle. Same principle, as in Kosova affair which Turkey also as the one of the first country resisted against Serbian aggression to this sensitive region. This is the thing, I believe, political figures can not understand. Turkey's Nagorno Karabakh sensitiviy. It is not the result of the country's so called Armenian problem. This is the result of a strong policy against any aggresor. Nagorno Karabakh, Kosova or Gazza...If innocent civilian people would be in danger, Turkey of course will be in their side. Nationality and religion is not important but in this period of history, almost all the world Muslim nations are under the military pressure of the aggresors...
Best regards.
Ardan ZENTURK

by: Papken Hartunian from: USA
January 19, 2010 00:16
"...Azerbaijan remains a threat to the security of the Karabakh people."
Azerbaijan and Turkey will always remain threat not only to security of the Republic of Nagorno Karabakh but also to the security of proper Armenia. Yerevan must not forget the Turkish proverb. It goes as follows: Never try put a Turkish in your pocket even it is a gold. Because it will make a hole and it will fall off [perhaps it might hurt your foot].

According to the international law the protocols now are void, because according to Armenian Foreign Minister, Azerbaijan remains threat to Karabakh [Armenia]. Agreements reached under duress are voidable.

by: Teymur from: Baku
January 19, 2010 06:02
"the question of Karabakh’s status must be decided by the people of Artsakh themselves"

The same old efforts of Armenian politicians to present Karabakh agressors as victims of "great injustice"

What about 65 000 Azeris driven out of Karabakh, Mr. Nalbandian ? Are you finally going to let them return and "decide their fate themselves" ?


by: Sohrab from: Baku
January 19, 2010 12:02
It is still unfortunate that negotiations are on the same points as they were at the beginning. Azerbaijan does not accept liberation of 7 regions outside of Karabakh as a comprise by Armenian side. We take back what no one argues about (including Armenia). The compromise can be on status of Karabakh. Theoretically, all communities can claim independence whatever their circumstances. There are several large Azeri communities outside of Azerbaijan, living in their historic homelands (one of them was Armenia until 1988). If they declare independence, would the West be supporting?
Russia, US and France all have their such issues - i rather doubt they would support independence right for each community.

by: JOhn from: United States
January 20, 2010 01:28
Lets get this strait: The Azeris' lost a war they started. Usually loser don't dictate. They lost land they were occupying and that doesn't belong to them in the first place. So understand these lands will never go back to being occupied by Mongols. In fact only 100 years ago there was no such thing as Azerbajan. Also how soon you forget the Armenian murders in Baku and Sumgait. Lets also get this clear: The Turks are genocide perpetrators and owe the Armenians an apology and reparations for the Genocide they committed and the lands they stole from the Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks. Only by acknowledging the truth, and I know truth is never part of the Turkish/Azeri culture, can there be true peace

by: Andreas from: Lamia
January 20, 2010 04:13
To be frank, Turkey deserves absolutely no say in the Nagorno-Karabakh peace process, as that nation is illegally occupying the territory of another sovereign state. Not to mention the 150.000 colonists they placed on the island to alter the demographics.

by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
January 21, 2010 09:05
All problems started with the Griboedov,
Possible descandent of a Russian Tcarik
That evenged Tamar for refusal of marriage.
But Countess Nino agreed to marry Russick.

It didn't help, thought, as Griboedov as Tcarik,
Ploted to end Ibero-Caucasian race, for good.
Tcarik leured Horezm's Mongol's million army,
Griboedov returned Turkish Armenia to Turks.

Griboedov Russia resettled many Armenians,
Refugees and their families to Georgian land
And Karabah pre-Georgian Kingdom of Media
That was mixed with Turks as Azerbaijan than.

Russia used it - make in the Caucasus feuds.
It served expansion - breed ethnic Russians.
Why not to be Media,Turkish Armenia, Turks
Azerbaijanies, Armenians and Georgians?

Konstantin.

by: Mir Ali from: Manchester UK
January 21, 2010 11:22
@Hamik, thanks for your analysis of Azerbaijan, it is not the Azeri's we are worried about,they will survive. it is Armenia, whose economy shrank by 20% last year, whose millions of poor and hungry population left Armenia to work as migrant workers in Russia and a sizeable 70,000 armenians working in Turkey and those living there eke out a living stripping copper pipes from the Azeri homes occupied during the war. Beggars usually do not have a choice, we are determined to get back our lands one way or the other.

by: John Harduny from: Reston, VA
January 21, 2010 15:13
Armenia will survive economic hardship, Muslim vile and military threats as it always did throughout its 2,500 years of recorded history. Azerbaijan should stop shedding crocodile tears, and understand that it is and will always be alone in its hopeless struggle to "return" Nagorno Karabakh. Artsakh-Karabakh is an ancient Christian land with a majority-Christian population. And it is a Christian democracy claimed by Azerbaijan - a corrupt Muslim oil dictatorship ruled by a clan of a KGB general (!!!). Azerbaijanis should realize that no one is on their side.
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