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Crafting A Special Status For Northern Kosovo

Can Kosovo and Serbia bridge the gap between their claims of sovereignty?
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By Ian Bancroft, Gerard Gallucci
The International Court of Justice's (ICJ) long-awaited advisory opinion on Kosovo left unanswered core political questions raised by the 2008 declaration of independence.

The court did not address Kosovo's status as an "independent" state, nor the legality of its secession from Serbia. Instead, it responded to the specific question posed by the UN General Assembly in the narrowest possible manner, finding nothing in international law that addresses such declarations.

The political issues arising from the rival claims of Belgrade and Pristina to be sovereign over the territory of Kosovo -- plus the north's refusal to accept rule from Pristina -- remain unresolved. Though accepting the need for further discussions, the sides differ as to whether these should address Kosovo's status.

To avoid either a frozen conflict or renewed violence, the two parties -- perhaps led by their international supporters -- must secure a mutually acceptable agreement. Given the zero-sum nature of the dispute, however, only some innovation in how the two sides come to define their respective claims of sovereignty over Kosovo -- and autonomy for the north -- can end the current impasse and open the way to a durable solution.

Serbia is unlikely to recognize Kosovo anytime soon. It ought to be possible and acceptable, however, for Belgrade to acknowledge Pristina's existence, in practice, in the context of tangible progress on Serbia's EU membership. Following steps to settle the practical issues of the ethnic Serbian minority in Kosovo -- including implementing decentralization and a special status for the north -- they could both continue to claim Kosovo.

Belgrade would, however, agree to curtail its active campaign against Pristina's integration into the international community and leave it for others to recognize or not. A formula of formally disputed sovereignty over Kosovo, with an arrangement on practical matters affecting Kosovo's Serbs, would conserve the respective stances of each, uphold Kosovo's territorial integrity, and provide the foundations for further dialogue.

Bosnian Precedent

A regional precedent exists, however, for a more explicit and formal arrangement for sharing sovereignty over the north of Kosovo: namely, the special legal and political framework of Brcko district. Situated in the northeast corner of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Brcko is an autonomous administrative unit whose powers of governance are derived from the country's two entities -- the Republika Srpska and the federation. While Brcko belongs to both entities, it is independently self-governed -- under international supervision -- and its residents are citizens of either one of the respective entities.

In international law, the Brcko district is akin to a "condominium" -- "a political territory (state or border area) in or over which two or more sovereign powers formally agree to share equally dominium (in the sense of sovereignty) and exercise their rights jointly, without dividing it up into 'national' zones." Its unique status stems from a failure to reconcile competing claims to the territory during the Dayton peace negotiations -- a problem mirroring that of north Kosovo, where two opposing sides seek to control the same ground.

The basis for an autonomous entity in the north of Kosovo is provided for, in part, by former UN envoy Martti Ahtisaari's "Comprehensive Proposal for Kosovo Status" and the six-point plan of UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon. Together, they offer pragmatic measures relating to policing, customs arrangements, the judiciary and infrastructure, plus local autonomy in education and culture, and special features for Mitrovica (such as the university and hospital). The Ahtisaari plan, in particular, provides mechanisms for ensuring the transparency of Belgrade's support -- especially financial -- and linkages to Serbian municipalities in Kosovo.

Any agreement would have to include a role for the international community to help bridge between local Serbian institutions in the north and elements that would have to be shared or consistent across Kosovo, such as legal and property rights and the settling of civil disputes and other justice matters. These elements, however, could be discussed in negotiations quite apart from the political question of status.

South of the Ibar River, Kosovo's government has already begun implementing the decentralization and creation of new municipalities envisioned by the Ahtisaari plan. As part of any overall compromise, Serbia would have to agree to act according to that plan in its support of Kosovar Serbs living there.

Cross-River Cooperation

Some practical details still have to be worked out. The International Community Office, responsible for overseeing implementation of the Ahtisaari plan, will also have to be more proactive in ensuring that the various elements are implemented according to the spirit of the plan, especially concerning the leading role of municipalities in the local courts, police, education, culture, and funding.

Pristina's role on the ground in the north would be, perhaps, the most difficult issue -- short of status itself -- to resolve. The northern Serbs are unlikely to agree to any direct involvement in decisions affecting them or the introduction of elements or symbols of the Kosovar government -- courts and customs, especially. Considerable space, however, exists for devising mechanisms for cross-river cooperation on water, electricity, waste management, and local infrastructure.

The Ahtisaari plan allows for a joint board to be formed with equal representation from north and south Mitrovica -- plus international involvement -- to work on issues of mutually agreed interest. Belgrade and Pristina will also have to cooperate on returns. Experience has demonstrated that interethnic peace cannot long be maintained in the face of unilateral or uncoordinated returns without the full involvement of the receiving communities.

Innovations in sovereignty and autonomy that have come to define Europe itself now provide the key to unblocking the Kosovo stalemate. Two such approaches -- practical modi operandi vis-a-vis the Serbian minority in Kosovo and the north without explicitly addressing status or a special condominium status for the north -- provide a strong basis for devising a mutually acceptable solution. Reaching such a compromise would help allay calls for partition or territory exchanges that would set a damaging precedent for Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina. It would also place the ICJ decision within a context less likely to provide support for separatist claims elsewhere.

Gerard Gallucci previously served as the UN's regional representative in Mitrovica, Kosovo. Ian Bancroft is the co-founder and executive director of the NGO TransConflict. The views expressed in this commentary are the authors' own and do not necessarily reflect those of RFE/RL
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by: Miri from: Prishtinë
September 04, 2010 11:36
I am so surprized how Radio Free Europe publish or make interwev with a stupid man, with a man thad all this situation in Mitrovica is created by him. This man is a tortally shyzofren serb. I am very disepointed on Radio Free Europe. This man with his behiviour can be the millosheviq brother.
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by: BS Buster
September 05, 2010 02:37
Such is the Albanian nationalist view which sees little if any fault on their side.
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by: Lorenz from: Pretoria
September 05, 2010 18:14
I am honestly always surprise when people with double digit IQ find not enough rewarding having pleasure of reading articles from people who are smarter than themselves but start showing their insult commenting capacity.
Miri from Prishtine please try to find other job or hobby commenting is NOT the one which will put food on table for your family...

by: Mark from: everywhere
September 04, 2010 19:34
Mr.Galluci is a biased person with very strong pro Serbian opinions. People in northern Mitrovica know him as one of the most loyal clients of Zvonko's Brothel.
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by: BS Buster
September 05, 2010 10:06
"Biased" meaning to not go along with the propagandistic anti-Serb line.
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by: Andrew from: Auckland
September 05, 2010 13:56
Or baiased like you in your ongoing attempts to deny historical facts such as the genocide in Srebrenica Mr Averko.

World renowned historians have already slapped you down.

Time to stop the denials of Serbian crimes in FY and Russian crimes in Georgia Mr Averko.

They are well documented facts.

Then there is the small matter of your hypocrisy re your differing views of the rights of Abkhazian separatists and Kosovar separatists.

But we have come to expect that from you Averko.
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by: Lorenz from: Pretoria
September 05, 2010 18:30
@Andrew from: Auckland
Get Your loony facts in order first what Srebrnica has to do with Mitrovica??
All Serbian officials (including President)which were even slightly involved in any way in Balkan civil war have been and are being punished by Hague tribunal and as you are very well aware criminal members of other sides of conflict have been unjustly abolish, unjustly not because proving something to Serbs but because of still living suffering victims of the Balkan conflict who probably in their lifetime will never see court justice done ...
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by: BS Buster
September 06, 2010 12:15
Andrew (as in a Catherine Fitzpatrick/Jermey Putley moniker)

Your obsession for one person and belief that people like Hoare, Muir, Toljaga and La Russophobe are more objective, knowledgeable and intelligent are indicative of your flawed biases.

Contrary to what you say, I've no such bias unlike those recognizing Kosovo's independence.

Your bias includes not acknowledging the culpability of non-Serb nationalists in former Yugoslavia and those of some Georgians.

These "are well documented facts" which you repeatedly overlook.

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by: the world conspiracy
September 07, 2010 14:52
Yes, Mr. Averko, only a few people with a conspiracy mindset could possibly find fault with your Slavic chauvinism. Your argument-by-imaginary-consensus is so hard to identify.
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by: Lorenz from: Pretoria
September 05, 2010 18:02
"People in northern Mitrovica know him as one of the most loyal clients of Zvonko's Brothel"
Is it people or You??
Someone was visiting some bordellos recently (nod) norty norty... .
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by: BS Buster
September 08, 2010 00:27
Noteworthy how Hoare/Muir/Fitzpatrick/La Russophobe/Putley/Toljaga types come on here blabbing away about someone in an off topic and inaccurate way.

by: Bekim Mitrovica from: Kosove
September 04, 2010 20:02
Utter garbage!
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by: BS Buster
September 05, 2010 10:06
As in Albanian nationalist and other anti-Serb propaganda.
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by: Lorenz from: Pretoria
September 05, 2010 18:40
Bekim Mitrovica from Kosove:
Someway somehow people in your age supposed to learn that with each comment we are saying much more what we truly think about our-selfs than about the issue we are commenting...

by: American Troll from: Wisconsin
September 04, 2010 21:47
I foresee reasoned, civil discourse in this forum, with both sides conducting a respectful exchange of productive and practical suggestions in an atmosphere of mutual sensitivity to the other side's legitimate historical grievances.

Seriously, just like Mr. Tremin's suggestion about Abkhazia and South Ossetia, these guys' idea has merit because both sides would make painful sacrifices ... and it's D.O.A. for that very reason. Our modern obsession with avoiding even the impression of neocolonialism leaves the "international community" (can't we just say "Great Powers" again?) impotent to even suggest -- much less enforce -- any scheme that risks offending anyone's porcelain-delicate East European sense of national pride and honor and manhood and all those quaint rationalizations for killing The Enemy™. Only after the violence crosses the Rubicon of a three- or four-figure death toll do the grown-ups feel justified in forcing the kids to behave, even if it means taking their toys and grounding them. And by that point it's too late from a geopolitical perspective, because the seeds of the next generation's war of revenge have already been planted, not to mention that we've guaranteed a decades-long foreign peacekeeping presence anyway. But hey ... at least we didn't offend anyone with our arrogance. Folks in Srebrenica were grateful for that, for sure.

by: Alban from: Germany
September 04, 2010 21:55
Gerard and Ian....my godness, why you guys just dont forget Kosovo...Prishtina will never ever allow Serbia or the Serbs to have any whatsoever influence in Kosovo....

the so called daily analysis and comments esp. of G. Galluci on Kosovo will make the situation of the Kosovo-Serbs even worser and not better....is that what you want, Gerard?

Do you folks really think that anyone can pressure Kosovo-Albanians to accept something they dont agree with?!

Are you really so naive to think that the Kosovo-Serbs in Kosovo, that is in North-Mitrovica too, can survive in longterm without the help of the Kosovo-Albanians?!

The only solution is: Serbia has to recognize Kosovo as it is and as soon as possible, as long as the Kosovo-Albanians are still interested on it....later (in 10 or 20 Years) they will not even ask for it but force Serbia to do what they want it to do.
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by: BS Buster
September 05, 2010 10:09
The law of the jungle shouldn't be readily accepted.

Just because Albanians become a majority in Kosovo doesn't mean that by default Serbia has no say whatsoever over Kosovo related matters.
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by: Alban from: Germany
September 05, 2010 17:06
The law of jungle in the Balkans was the speciality of Serbia - to bad Serbia has become so weak and miserable and will never be able to practise that serbian law of jungle anymore....Serbia should thank the brilliant Kosovo-Albanians for that!
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by: BS Buster
September 06, 2010 12:17
Albanian nationalists had to use propaganda as a method to coax NATO to take their side.

Without NATO, the terrorist KLA would've probably ended up being what the PKK is like in Turkey.
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by: cill
September 07, 2010 13:48
An expression of desperate resistance by a people downtrodden by the last remnant of an empire's colonialist approach to them, basically considering them trespassers who must be suppressed? Yes, that's about right.
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by: Lorenz from: Pretoria
September 05, 2010 18:58
@Alban from Germany
Totally agree on Your point!!!Albanians will never allow Serbs to have any influence in Albanian politic but than again Serbs are not even trying to do that except that they are trying to make life of their own citizens in their own country survivable not even decent with problems which exist now...
"Serbia should thank the brilliant Kosovo-Albanians for that!"
Is not called law of jungle but law of communist cunts and be sure that Serbs when time comes right will thank You and them for all Your humble efforts with greatest possible respect..
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by: Alban from: Germany
September 06, 2010 14:22
@ Lorenz from: Pretoria

"... be sure that Serbs when time comes right will thank You and them for all Your humble efforts with greatest possible respect.. "

Come on Lorenz, these typical empty hidden threats from Serbia are ridiculous and naive. Those anti-albanian dreams are gone with the wind, forever, so dont waste time on dreaming of that.

Serbia will count itself lucky to have the oppurtunity to thank the Kosovo-Albanians and ask for apology from them. It will even beg to recognize the Indenpendent Kosovo in the near future.

These two open issuses are by the way the preconditions for any bilateral relations between the two states Kosovo and Serbia. Gerard and Ian missed this most important point in their naive and pro-serb "analysis".
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by: Lorenz from: Pretoria
September 06, 2010 22:52
@ Alban from Germany
I thought that would be possible to learn something from you but mistakenly i set my expectations too high for you...
Without value attached to it no nation-state(doesn't matter how is called) can treat anyone anymore so you are making very bad conclusions due to much worst assumptions.
Nation-states are going to get hollower and hollower. Process is irreversible wherever you look and different kind of actors have come and are playing the game...
About your cockiness only thing which i could tell you is that hope has never trickled down ,it has always sprung up...

by: alban.kcomment@gmail.com from: Prishtina
September 04, 2010 23:09
They are two main documents under which act the Republic of Kosova,

The first is Ahtisaari plan and the second is The Constitution of Rep of Kosova.

Any thing which is not aligned with this two documents has NO AUTHORITY and NO CHANCE to be considered.

A lot of them coming from many diplomats, some of them failed and expelled from Kosova.

It's clear that most of them who does not respect the two pillars of Rep. of Kosova are skipped automatically to the trash bin.

Not because I disrespect the authors but for practical matter the reporters should consider what profit that news brings to the topics and does it is applicable or not.
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by: BS Buster
September 05, 2010 10:10
Ahtisaari is a biased anti-Serb creep.

UNSCR 1244 states differently.
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by: Andrew from: Auckland
September 05, 2010 14:03
Various UN Security Council resolutions state that Abkhazia and South Ossetia are inalienable parts of a sovereign Georgia, but you seem happy enough to ignore those.

Your hypocrisy on the issue of separatism is quite amusing to watch.

Pro Serbian/Russian separatism, complete with ethnic cleansing and mass murder against populations not pro Russian/Serbian seems to be fine in your book, while Anti Russian/Serbian separatism of people who have been victims of Russian backed governments is bad.

I guess it is a racial issue with you.
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by: Metin from: Ankara
September 06, 2010 10:21
Andrew, one more time i should remind you 1921-31 period that Abkhazia as well as Georgia became union states with an equal status within the USSR. But Jozef Stalin, Georgian by origin, reduced the status of Abkhazia to an autonomy within Georgia in 1931. This is Stalin's ILLEGAL borders!

Well, in an ideal world the international community would not have recognised Georgia in the spring of 1992. It would have encouraged the (then still illegitimate) regime in Tbilisi under Shevardnadze to engage seriously in a negotiation-process, as suggested by the Abkhazians, on restructuring relations between Tiflis and Sukhum along (con)federal lines. But, no, the opportunity to exercise an influence for the good of ALL the various ethnic groups living within Georgia's Soviet frontiers (including the Georgians themselves) was squandered, and war in Abkhazia was the result. The Abkhazians DID NOT seek this war; it was IMPOSED on them by Shevardnadze. And then, having had the audacity to defeat the rabble that called itself the Georgian National Guard, the Abkhazian victors were punished by seeing their broken land subjected to years of isolation and blockade - they were not even given any credit for responding to Yeltsin's request to let Shevardnadze escape from his Sukhum bunker with his life.

The international community (including Russia, be it noted), thus, again chose the wrong course of action by backing all of Georgia's demands for support; a short-term boat-link between Trabzon and Sukhum in 1996, allowing passage in and out of Abkhazia without the need to enter Russia, was cancelled under Georgian pressure, and for years the border with Russia over the River Psou was closed to all male Abkhazians between the ages of 15 and 55. Only under the presidency of Vladimir Putin did the situation begin to ameliorate. Since 2006 the Psou-border has been open; there is investment, and building-work has been noticeable all over the capital (especially along the Riviera-type sea-front).

Given the madness of Saakashvili's actions in S. Ossetia at the start of August 2008, the Abkhazians naturally took advantage of the situation and finally liberated the one portion of their land that remained under Georgian control since the end of the war in 1993, namely the upper Kodor Valley, into which Saakashvili had quite illegally introduced military troops (along with an alarming stockpile of offensive weaponry) in the early summer of 2006. What were the Abkhazians supposed to do? Spit in the face of the only state which has manifested a willingness to help over at least part of the 20 years of Georgian belligerence and outright aggression to which the Abkhazians have been subjected?

The UN Security Council on the night of 7th-8th August 2008 refused (thanks to the blocking tactics of the USA and the UK) to issue even a call for a ceasefire in S. Ossetia (no doubt in the hope that Georgia would quickly achieve Saakashvili's goal of taking S. Ossetia back under Georgian control, which would have left the way open for a later assault on Abkhazia). In the light of this, is anyone seriously suggesting that the pro-Georgian international community would have lifted the smallest of fingers to prevent a further Georgian demarche into Abkhazian territory? I think not. Twenty years ago the distinguished Abkhazian historian Stanislav Lakoba wrote an article on Abkhazia's geo-political position; he entitled it 'Between the Hammer and the Anvil'. The West has had ample opportunity to insert a softening cushion. There is still time for it to do so, because the only obstacle standing in the way is its own series of ignorance-based short-sighted miscalculations.
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by: BS Buster
September 06, 2010 12:24
If anything, Andrew is the one with the "racial issue," given how he only highlights what he sees as Russian and serb wrongs.

In contrast, I add on to what highly some promoted biased sources leave out.

Their oversight includes the culpability of non-Serb nationalists in former Yugoslavia as well as the pro-Saakashvili spin antics that at times have included bigoted anti-Russian propaganda.

Once again, I'm not the hypocrite like those recognizing Kosovo's independence.

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by: BS Buster
September 06, 2010 12:25
Metin

Propagandists like Andrew don't directly reply to points debunking their drivel.
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by: Andrew from: Auckland
September 07, 2010 11:43
Given that the IFFC report on Abkhazia's actions stated that all actions undertaken by Abkhazia were in direct violation of international law, you might want to hold off on crowing.

By the way Metin, Khodori was part of Svaneti until Stalin enlarged the borders of the Abkhazian province in order to punish Georgians for resisting the imposition of communism.

Funny how you claim to hate Stalin so much, but he enlarged Abkhazia by around 20%.

Maybe you should go back to the old pre soviet border Russian imperial border, where Khodori was part of Svaneti?

Sounds reasonable to me if you hate Stalins borders so much why keep them.

And also there is the little matter of Gali region, which was part of Mingrelia until the 18th century when the Ottomans took it and made it part of their Abkhazian possessions, despite this the majority of the population (90%) remained Georgian, as they are to this day.

Why, if you want peace don't you trade land for peace, give Gali and Khodori to the Georgians, after all the inhabitants have no desire to be Abkhazians.

Why are you such an imperialist Metin?

By the way, the UNOMIG observers rubbished your claims about "a massive influx of weapons" into Khodori. The units deployed there were armed police, not unusual as they had been sent in there to disarm the last of the Svan warlords from the 1992-94 war. I thought you would have been pleased about that.

Seems the Abkhaz were lying as usual.
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by: Metin from: Ankara
September 07, 2010 20:30
Dear Andrew,

Your black propagandas can't save you. You can cheat ONLY yourself. Please could you explain how Stalin enlarged Abkhazia? Your sources are more than welcome.

Let me suggest you two useful articles:

The Stalin-Beria Terror in Abkhazia, 1936-1953, by Stephen D. Shenfield
http://www.abkhazworld.com/abkhazia/history/499

Ethno-demographic history of Abkhazia, 1886 - 1989, by Daniel Müller
http://www.abkhazworld.com/abkhazia/history/263-muller-demographia.html

And please see Historical Maps: Abkhazia at various times in history http://gallery.abkhazworld.com/#4.41

The maps included here give an idea of the frontiers of Abkhazia at various times in history. The Abkhazians call their capital /Aqw'a/, but it is more usually known in other languages as Sukhum (Sukhum-Kalé or Sukhum-Kaleh in the period of Turkish influence along the Black Sea's eastern coast; /soxumi/ in Georgian). The ending -i in the form /Sukhumi/ represents the Georgian Nominative case-suffix, and it became attached to /Sukhum/ from the late 1930s when (Georgian) Stalin (Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili) and his Mingrelian lieutenant in Transcaucasia, Lavrent'i Beria, began to implement a series of anti-Abkhazian policies. Abkhazians today, for obvious reasons, resent the attachment of this element from the language of a people they see as oppressors.

Imprerialist? Oh, please let me remind you one more thing:

C. Bechhofer, an English diplomat, characterized the government of the “democratic” Georgian state that had already occupied Abkhazia at that moment as follows: “The free and independent social-democratic State of Georgia will always remain in my memory as a classic imperialist body, that is characterized with territory-snatching outside and bureaucratic tyranny inside; its chauvinism is beyond all bounds” [In Denikin's Russia and the Caucasus. 1919-1920. London. 1921, p. 14.] A wonderful anticipation of Andrey Sakharov's parallel assessment in 1989. It is not by chance that in 1989 after the first Georgian-Abkhazian clashes Academician Sakharov in one of his last articles called Georgia a ‘mini-empire’ (Ogonek 1989, 31).

I will continue...
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by: Metin from: Ankara
September 07, 2010 20:35
And "a massive influx of weapons" into Kodor:

The 1994 Moscow Accords which formally marked the ceasefire in the Georgian-Abkhazian war delimited a demilitarised zone. Despite this, Saakashvili decided in the spring of 2006 to introduce an armed force that he disingenuously described as a 'police-force' into the Upper Kodor Valley, the one part of Abkhazia over which the Abkhazians had not reestablished control when they achieved their military victory at the end of September 1993, on the pretext of establishing order in an area previously controlled by a local Svan strong-man named Kvitsiani; this Valley was part of the demilitarised zone. No sanctions were taken against Tbilisi by the international community as a result of this blatant infringement of the 1994 ceasefire-agreement. Between May 2006 and the expulsion of these troops on 12 August 2008, when the Abkhazians finally brought the whole of the Kodor Valley back under their control, much money was invested in the district by Tbilisi in order to demonstrate what benefits might flow from Georgian benevolence. The region was restyled 'Upper Abkhazia', the so-called Government of Abkhazia in Exile was transferred to a new headquarters in the village of Chkhalta, where the Abkhazians found a 'NATO Information Centre' along with a sign boasting 'Our Goal Is Near' when they entered the valley after the Georgian forces had fled in disarray, and a branch of Zugdidi Bank (with cash-dispensing machine) was set up in neighbouring Azhara. A landing-strip was constructed, and a HUGE amount of weaponry (largely American, Israeli, Ukrainian) was taken up and stored there — for what purpose has never been explained. All of this ordinance was captured by the Abkhazians and removed to Sukhum, where it was briefly put on display together with trophies from the military base at Senaki in neighbouring Mingrelia, similarly abandoned by Georgian forces in their own headlong retreat when they realised the Abkhazians had crossed the border over the R. Ingur and were heading for that base. Also captured was a computer on which were found telling photographs depicting US military instructors giving lessons to Georgian troops in how to construct improvised bombs. Here the pictures:

http://www.abkhazworld.com/images/stories/news/us%20troops%20in%20georgia%201.jpg

http://www.abkhazworld.com/images/stories/news/us%20troops%20in%20georgia%203.jpg

http://www.abkhazworld.com/images/stories/news/us%20troops%20in%20georgia%204.jpg

There are now plans to create a nature-reserve in the Upper Kodor Valley, construct a decent road to connect with the North Caucasus via the Klukhor Pass, and encourage tourism. Whilst those Svans who lived in the Valley are welcome to stay and/or resume residence (as long as they did not take up arms against the Abkhazians at any time since hostilities began back in 1989), but the days of Georgian dominance, as in Abkhazia as a whole, are gone forever.

Further reading: ''Georgia: Extent Of 'Victory' In Kodori Offensive Unclear'', by Liz Fuller, RFE/RL (August 01, 2006)
http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1070254.html

The 1994 Moscow Accord
http://www.c-r.org/our-work/accord/georgia-abkhazia/keytext3.php

And if you want to see military equipments of Georgians (in Kodor) and other FACTS which i mentioned above please watch this 'Georgia - Crisis in the Caucasus'' - Journeyman Pictures.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE8Gg0PMgnk

No one is more blind than the one who does not want to see.

Of course you don't want to see my ''dear friend''.
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by: Andrew from: Auckland
September 08, 2010 09:50
Now Metin, I watched your video.

It shows three RUSSIAN made howitzers (artillery pieces), which are used by both Abkhazia and Georgia. Most likely this is another case of you idiots bringing in a few of your own guns by helicopter.]

Where is this "huge stockpile" of weapons, you have offered no evidence whatsoever.

Given the continuous torrent of falsifications and lies that spring from your mouth, well, this film can be dismissed in the same vein.

As for the rest, small arms ammunition, oooh scaaary.

UNOMIG confirmed that prior to the war there were NO, and I repeat NO introductions of heavy weaponry to Khodori, and they have no reason to lie about it. None.

You just hate the UN because they consider you the "bad guys" in much the same way they feel about the Serbs. Their documentation of your peoples crimes against humanity has and will for the foreseeable future, put a big spanner in the works for any hopes of recognition you might have had.

By the way Metin, enough with the "Abkhazworld" articles, nobody reads neo-nazi propaganda these days.

Real historians have shown the presence of both Kartvelian AND Apsua in the region known as Abkhazia over the last 2000 years.

Your pathetic attempts to justify Abkhazian ethnic cleansing against Georgians are too disgusting for words.

Once again, I point you to the works by Toumanoff, and others

Fact 1. Famous Russian traveller Atanase Nikitini in XV century was writting that Sokhumi, more precisely Sokhumi cape was Georgian Land Source: L. S. Baranov,- "Afanasii Nikitin - pervii ruskii puteshestvenik v indiu" Kalinin, 1939, page 74

Fact 2. Diachkov-Tarasov was writing: "The modern abkhazians did not live there all time where they are living now. They came from North and oppressed Georgian tribes" Source: F. Fadiev: " kratkii ocherk istorii abxazii" I, Soxumi, 1934, page 51

Fact 3 From archaeologist Sizov report: "The seedbed of culture discovered by me in the teritory of Abkhazia mostly wears the sign of Georgian Culture" source: A. S. Xaxanov: "drevneishii predeli zaselenia gruzii po maloi azii" tiflis, 1906, page 62-63

these are not georgian sources, two of them are russians and one is Abkhazian... I am not providing many sources by Arab, Turkish, Byzantian, Greek authors....

Both peoples have every right to live in Abkhazia, but sorry Metin, your pseudo history is not backed up by archaeology, both ethnic groups have lived in Abkhazia for centuries, and most likely for thousands of years.

BTW, you repeatedly claim that Georgians did not exist in Abkhazia prior to the late 1890's or the 1930's under Stalin (probably depending on what you have been smoking) and talk about Stalin's "persecutions" well interesting to note that Abkhazians (Apsua) were exempt from military service during the whole of Stalins reign, while hundereds of thousands of Georgian soldiers (many from Abkhazia) were fighting to stop Fascism, Abkhaz got a holiday.

Though given your peoples current behaviour they may have been somewhat unreliable in the struggle against racism and fascism.

Nice persecution if you can get it.

Another thing, you show your blinkered racism when talking about the film "Absence of will" which was made as part of Georgian attempts to find reconciliation. They have aknowledged and apologised for their failings and the criminal mistakes of their leaders, while people like you spout lies that there was "no ethnic cleansing" of Georgians, despite the overwhelming documentation and consensus amongst neutral observers that there most certainly was a campaign of ethnic cleansing, far worse than anything carried out by the Georgians, committed by the Abkhazians and their Russian patrons.

You are the one who is blind Metin.
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by: Metin from: Ankara
September 08, 2010 11:35
Dear Andrew,

First of all try to be calm. I know that the truths make you angry but try to be calm and also try to be kind. Your hatred will make you sick. Be careful ''my friend''.

I also know that you can't understand easily. This is difficult for you. You need to read again and again, you need to watch again and again - to understand. So, please watch that documentary again and again, again and again, then you will understand, you will see the facts (i hope). And here the transcript of the documentart, you can also read this: http://www.journeyman.tv/?lid=59119&tmpl=transcript

You made me laugh as always with your absurd claims. Hate the UN, neo-nazi propoganda and many others. Can you do more? Come to real world, wake up!

You are talking about the Neo-Nazi propoganda. Please let me show you a real Neo-Nazi propoganda.

Georgian Defense Ministry TV quotes Hitler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBQZkYOyHjY

The spot was broadcasted by the Georgian Defence Ministry TV "Sakartvelo" in the late July 2008. [“We once and for all must understand that we will never be able to regain the lost territory with prayers, which have become a formality, nor with hopes in the League of Nations, but with the strength of our weapons. Adolf Hitler. 1932.”]

You are right that nobody reads Neo-Nazi propogandas. I think that's why Georgian authorities prepared something to watch. Did you like it?

You are also talking about ''real historians'' and do you remember my answer?

Also here what you said in 3 September: ''However Metin, one more thing, I in no way agrre with the absurd theory that Apsua Abkhazians only arrived in the 17th century.''

And now you quote this absurd theory as a fact: "The modern abkhazians did not live there all time where they are living now. They came from North and oppressed Georgian tribes"

Tell me one more time: You are really believe this ABSURD theory, right? Don't deny please like before. Be honest!

By the way, congratulations that you started to use ''Apsua'' term instead of ''Apsu''. There is NO something like that. I told you this about 5-6 times and finally you understand. Congratulations!!! Please do that yourself. Read again and again, watch again and again. Otherwise you can't understand what you read.

Well, i think that's why Georgia's Human Rights Center started SORRY campaign [http://www.humanrights.ge/index.php?a=article&id=1546&lang=en] Just because of the people like you.

Ucha Nanuashvili asks: Choice for Georgia: Georgian Chauvinism or Abkhazia? http://www.humanrights.ge/index.php?a=article&id=4517&lang=en

It seems that you already choose Georgian Chauvinism. Of course i am not surprised. But please don't be angry. Be calm.

And please show us source for your other absurd claims - IF you have... And let me remind you something; Somewhat earlier, during the Stalinist deportations, there was one notorious incident in the village of Khaibak, where in 1944 hundreds of people were herded into a barn which was then set on fire; any one escaping was shot. The commander of the NKVD group responsible was a Svan (Gvishiani), acting under the general directorship of Beria (Mingrelian), who was himself responsible to Stalin (Georgian).

Further reading: Documents from the KGB archive in Sukhum. Abkhazia in the Stalin years http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a782001741

It seems that you are happy only with your dreams. So, i wish you sweet sweet dreams. But please don't forget to be calm,ok? Good boy...!
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by: Andrew from: Auckland
September 08, 2010 13:15
What absurd theory?

That at some period during the early 1st Millenium AD your ancestors migrated from the North Caucasian homeland of the Circassian people?

That is what Russian archaeologists and historians believed. The most common consensus was some time around the 4th to 8th centuries AD

That is accepted archaeological fact.

This does nothing to change the fact that Abkhazia is the homeland of both Apsua and Kartvelian members of the local population.

Just as the fact that Maori killed and ate the original population of New Zealand does not remove their status as the native population in relation to all other New Zealanders.

However, your ridiculous propaganda video is truly laughable.

You cant do better than show me 3 Russian made artillery pieces that probably belong to your own army.

As for the English writing, well the Georgian police use Colt Commando carbines, so since the ammo is made in the US.....

You are a joke Metin.

By the way, you use the example of the Svan KGB officer as a Georgian, but previously you were saying the Svans were not Georgian but an oppressed minority, make up your mind Metin, you are getting caught up in your own half truths and lies here.

In addition, the Chechens know who to really blame.

"Not only Stalin, but also secret service chief Lavrenty Beria and NKVD General Gvishyany played leading roles in the mass deportations. Yet the Georgian ancestry of these men did not arouse the animosity of the Chechens toward their southern neighbors. They understood that their Georgian persecutors were acting on Soviet interests, under which the Georgian people suffered as much as others. On the other hand, today many Chechens remember with gratification that Sviad Gamsakhurdia, post-Soviet Georgia's first freely elected president, was the only chief of state to officially recognize Chechnya's independence in 1991. Driven from Georgia by a coup, Gamsakhurdia lived for almost two years in Grozny, as the guest of Chechen President Dzhokhar Dudayev."

http://www.islamamerica.org/ArticleLibrary/tabid/55/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/4/Roots-of-Chechen-Resistance.aspx

Luckily for them, the Chechens are obviously smarter than you.

Anything done during the Soviet period was controlled from Moscow, and was standard imperial policy of divide and rule.

The Russians would say the the Abkhaz "The Georgians don't belong here" and would say to the Georgians "The Abkhaz don't belong here" then set you on each other to better control you both.

Pity you are not able to get past this small fact Metin.

By the way, when are you permanently relocating from Ankara to Sokhumi? Bagapsh has been asking the diaspora to come home.

Why don't you go home Metin. or are you a bit leery of the fact that the Russians can now dictate policy in Abkhazia, even defence policy.....

In Response

by: L. Lima
September 08, 2010 16:23
Metin you rock :)
In Response

by: Metin from: Ankara
September 08, 2010 19:07
Dear Andrew,

You are really an hopeless case. Do you really know what you are talking about? Absurd theories -- This is ONLY what you believe, no more.

I think you didn't read again and again, and didn't watch again and again. That's why you can't understand.

Andrew, please just once answer my question: Where i said ''Svan KGB officer as a Georgian'' ? I wrote ONLY Svan. Please read 10000000 times, please Andrew: ''The commander of the NKVD group responsible was a Svan (Gvishiani)''. (Please don't forget to read 10000000 times because i want you understand) Good boy!

It is TOTALLY untrue that the Abkhazians were not liable for service in the Soviet armed forces during Stalin's time. Take a look in the Red Book, citing the names of all citizens of Soviet Georgia who perished in World War II in the fight against Nazi Germany. You will find there the names of all the Abkhazians who gave their lives in that titanic struggle, known as the Patriotic War (though Saakashvili had no compunction about showing his disrespect to the dead a couple of years ago by blowing up the monument to the fallen in the war that stood in Kutaisi, killing two Georgians, a mother and her child, in the process), listed village by village.

By continuing to make your rather childish points, you insult not only the intelligence of your readers but what remains of the name of the Georgian nation that you naively suppose yourself to be supporting.

And no worry please, i often visit Abkhazia which you see only in your dreams. Perhaps you would like to join me? Take your visa and lets have a drink in Sukhum.

By the way as far as I know, Xaxanov (Khakhanov) is the Russified form of the surname Khakhanashvili, which, I think you will agree, rather suggests a Georgian origin. Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Khakhanov (and please read 50,000 times) So where is your Abkhazian author?

Good boy.... But lier. Anyway, this is your character.

All the (unbiased) evidence suggests a southern origin for the Abkhazians (and their fellow N.W. Caucasians) -- recall that the N.W. Caucasian root for 'water' -ps- is attested in the name AkamPSis (modern-day Chorokhi) of the ancient world, and in that of the port of SuPSa in Mingrelia, as acknowledged by the (Mingrelian) founder of the Caucasian languages' department at the Georgian Academy, Arnold Chikobava. And where do you suppose your Kartvelians were at this time? For the archaeology of Abkhazia, see the copious writings of Prof. Yuri Voronov.

You really should not believe everything you read in Georgian sources, you know. And please stop your endless lies. Yes, it's make me laugh but this is not good for you. Ok? Good boy...

by: Anonymous
September 05, 2010 03:06
2 very common flunkies coming together to regurgitate serbian propaganda.
The views expressed in this commentary do not even belong to the "authors".. it belongs to those who've purchased it.


and good lord... they couldnt even say it.

Kosovo's Declaration of Independence was NOT Illegal.
precisely the question DEMANDED by none other than serbia itself.









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by: BS Buster
September 05, 2010 10:11
Your unsubstantiated diatribe doesn't prove them wriong.

by: Kate from: London
September 05, 2010 11:14
Excellent article which is actually very sane, insightful and unbiased. I have great respect for both the authors. The negative reactions here are by hardline pro independence commentators who refuse to even contemplate any sort of compromise to create a longterm solution to benefit everyone.

The fact remains that Kosovo is not legally independent, Serbia needs to be in agreement for any longterm solution and the ICJ finding did not even touch on the legality of the independence itself. I hope that the forthcoming UN debate will have a beneficial effect in starting genuine negotiations; this time not predetermined by the US and various EU countries.

If there was a time to become legally independent it was in 1999, not 10 years later when the province of Kosovo is a protectorate and there is a new internationally friendly Serbian government trying to move forward and posing no threat. The 'international community' can't just hand over 15% of a nation's territory to a mono-ethnic group seeking independence. It is illegal, wrong and dangerous.
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by: Alban from: Germany
September 05, 2010 17:01
Kate, dont make me laugh.

Kosovo is very much legally independent - against the will of Serbia and it will even become a UN member - against the will of Serbia and i m very well aware how much that hurts to Serbia.

Following the media and the politics in Serbia you ll notice how much anti-albanian racism is still predominant and you are talking about "negotiations" and "a friendly Serbian government"?! The time of Serbian cheating is over, so try to handle the reality.

Believe me, it will hurt to Serbia even more in the near future, if Serbia keeps to behave hostile towards Kosovo....Serbia will regret not having accepted and recognized the independence of Kosovo at the very beginning
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by: Lorenz from: Pretoria
September 05, 2010 19:53
@Kate from London
excellent comment...
@Ian Bancroft,Gerard Galluci
Intelligently courageous article in times of intellectual decay ..
Tnx
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by: Bekim from: KOsove
September 06, 2010 03:20
Kate I hope and pray Serbia never agrees to Kosova independence. In fact if your scientists declare Albanians not to be humans but a sort of monkey that speaks I as an Albanian would be the happiest person on earth. I do not want to be of the same species as Serbs let alone have any agreement with them.

by: mnetor from: prishtina
September 05, 2010 12:48
They are two main documents under which act the Republic of Kosova,

The first is Ahtisaari plan and the second is The Constitution of Rep of Kosova.

Any thing which is not aligned with this two documents has NO AUTHORITY and NO CHANCE to be considered.

A lot of them coming from many diplomats, some of them failed and expelled from Kosova.

It's clear that most of them who does not respect the two pillars of Rep. of Kosova are skipped automatically to the trash bin.

Not because I disrespect the authors but for practical matter the reporters should consider what profit that news brings to the topics and does it is applicable or not.
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by: BS Buster
September 06, 2010 12:31
Nonsense when considering UN Security Council Resolution 1244 and the greater number of nations not recognizing Kosovo's faux independence.

Without significant Western support, Kosovo's "independence" would be even more faux. As is, Kosovo is a socioeconomically down trodden, crime ridden region with a large foreign troop presence.

by: jeremiah from: Pristina, Kosovo
September 05, 2010 15:00
Even with the ICJ opinion being so clearly in favor of Kosovo's independence, there's a continuing attempt from Serbia, and those who support Belgrades position (including the authors of this article here) to turn the clock back.
Now, the autonomy of the north, while it might sound good enough for those who are not informed well about Kosovo, is the worst thing that could happen to the region.
If North is to gain special rights, there would be no incentive for Serbs to live outside of this area, just as there would be no reason for the Albanians to continue implementing the Ahtisaaris multethnic concept for Kosovo.
Bosnia, mentioned in this article as preceden for Kosovo, is acctually the perfect example why this sort of division makes the whole state non-functional.
In short, if North was to get autonomy, Ahtisaari's plan would be officialy dead, Kosovo would become another Bosnia (a disfunctional, torn appart kind of state, with hatred and ethnicity still determining the future of the country), while Serbia will be left to continue dreamming of the day of coming back to Kosovo.
Simultaneously, it would give many reasons for Albanians in Souther Serbia (Presevo Valley) and Western Macedonia to rethink their position within respctive states, just as it would further inspire Serb nationalists in Bosnia, and Bosniaks in Serbia's Sandjak region.
Ultimately, with ethnic division as the core feature of this "solution", the European social values would be thrown out of the window, in favor of returning to the typical Balkan ethnic isolationism.
At the end of the day, autonomy for the northern Kosovo would not even be a solution to a problem. it would simply be continuation of a frozen conflict, with rich rewards for hardliners on both sides (serbs who oppose living with Albanians, and Albanians who say that Ahtisaari's plan and multiethimic Kosovo is not possible).
If international community would go this way, as sugested by Mr. Bancroft and Mr. Galluci, then it shuld finally drop all the talk about minority rights, and multethnic conceps, and european values. it should go back to pre WW2 european practices and ideologies, which favored teritorial exchanges and deportations as legal and efficient way of solving painful problems.
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by: Lorenz from: Pretoria
September 05, 2010 19:39
@jeremiah from Pristina
"If international community would go this way, as sugested by Mr. Bancroft and Mr. Galluci, then it shuld finally drop all the talk about minority rights, and multethnic conceps, and european values. it should go back to pre WW2 european practices and ideologies, which favored teritorial exchanges and deportations as legal and efficient way of solving painful problems"

This part of your comment is interesting one but for part before i waisted time reading it.
Stop blaming ants for pick-nick!!!
NOBODY except Albanian majority in Kosovo has any human or any other rights in Kosovo!!!
Thats the fact in Albanian part of Kosovo and Yes is dependent on Albanians who live now in Kosovo if they will give it any rights to minorities in territories belonging to Serbia and were forcefully taken from them by NATO forces.
If territories exchange will solve painful past why not doing it?!
I don't think so that Albanians want to live in constant problems neither im sure Serbs wants that,but honestly im not seeing EU or any other institution which would favor and more importantly finance that bold move in times of this economical crises where EU members are going bankrupt
They simple now need controllable,corruptible black hole close to Europe but not part of Europe so they could put there all their unwanted rubbish,wanted they do recycle by them-selfs...
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by: Mark from: Australia
September 06, 2010 01:54
Excellent points Jeremiah. Totally agree with you on Bosnia and cannot understand why the authors would cite it as some sort of good precedent. The partition there has not worked and the Bosnian Serbs in collusion with Serbia are scuttling any attempt to allow a functional central government (as per Dayton) in the hope the country will fall apart.

On the point of building multi-ethnic societies - I think you cannot impose this on people. It will happen organically given strong state institutions, robust economy and a culture of probity. Specifically, if you want a multi-ethnic society (as opposed to multi-cultural), you need to institututionalise:
(i) rule of law
(ii) a culture of meritocracy.

It will take decades to migrate away from a culture of "connections", something even EU has not done to date. The only countries that come close to a meritocracy are the US and Australia.

A focus on minority rights and reverse discrimination does not work, it only creates resentment in the majority, complacency and a victim mindset in the minority. I saw a good parody of this on the Jon Stewart show when in response to a discussion into the investigation of a couple of Afro-american congresspersons for corruption an analyst pulled out an eftpos terminal and tried to swipe a credit card labelled 'race card'. Priceless.
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by: BS Buster
September 06, 2010 12:28
Jermeiah the ICJ ruling is non-binding and in contradiction to UN Security Council Resolution 1244.
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by: Wim Roffel from: Netherlands
September 07, 2010 13:06
@jeremiah
The ICJ opinion was not in favor of Kosovo. It showed with a lot of irrelevant details that its sympathies were on the Albanian side - as could be expected as most judges came from countries that recognize Kosovo. But when it came to conclusions it reduced the queston to a matter of free speech. In this context the absense of any talk about the legitimicy of Kosovo's independence itself and the question whether countries that recognized it violated international law is telling. It strongly suggests that the judges believe that law is not on the Albanian side in this respect.

You claim that autonomy for the north is the worst that could happen to the region. I disagree:
- Bosnia and Macedonia are typical examples of countries that never really have become a country. They are the living proof that Badinter was dead wrong when he blew up Yugoslavia and promised every republic independence. You can ignore the feelings of those ethnic groups that don't feel involved, but in the end either the ethnic groups will succeed in finding a compromise or the state is doomed to fall apart. Or as happened in Croatia and partly happened in Kosovo - the impossible situation will be solved with ethnic cleansing.
- I don't see why there wouldn't be an incentive for Serbs to live in Southern Kosovo if the north comes under Serb control. Just as everyone else they will prefer to live in their own house.
- the Ahtisaari Plan is a kind of minimum minority rights for Kosovo's minorities. Unfortunately in the present climate of discrimination and weak rule of law in Kosovo it is rather inadequate.

Experience learns that the governments of newly formed countries are very intolerant of anything they don't control. They consider areas that are dominated by minorities as a threat and they will do anything to end that situation. The cleansing of Croatia's Krajna was no accident and something similar will happen to Kosovo's north if Pristina gets its way. So please don't suggest that not changing borders will result in harmonic ethnci relations. It simply is not true. If you are creating new countries you have to do it along ethnic border otherwise you are creating trouble.
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