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Estonian Signatory Mart Laar Champions 'Stand Up For Georgia' Letter

Mart Laar (in file photo) was Estonian prime minister from 1992-94 and again from 1999-2002.
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Mart Laar (in file photo) was Estonian prime minister from 1992-94 and again from 1999-2002.
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Earlier this month, 12 prominent European thinkers and former leaders issued an open letter titled "Europe Must Stand Up For Georgia." In it, they urged the authors of a coming EU report on the causes of the Georgia-Russia war of 2008 to "remember the painful lessons of our recent past."

Noting that "the European Union was build against the temptation of Munich and the iron curtain," the signatories -- all of whom grew up inside the Soviet bloc or threatened by its tall shadow -- cited "the critical question...[of] which country invaded the other, rather than which soldier shot the first bullet."

RFE/RL Georgian Service correspondent Nino Gelashvili spoke with one of the letter's signatories, former Estonian Prime Minister Mart Laar, about how the international response to the Georgian-Russian conflict could help make or break "the fate of the project to which we continue to dedicate our lives: the peaceful and democratic reunification of the European continent."

Russian troops poured into Georgia just three months after President Dmitry Medvedev took office.
RFE/RL: Mr Laar, in his address to the UN General Assembly on [September 24], Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili evoked the example of the Berlin Wall and spoke about the "new artificial dividing lines" that are present in Europe. Such parallels have been drawn before. In what ways do you think the case of the Berlin Wall is pertinent to current processes?


Mart Laar: I think it's important that Europe, first of all, remember what happened and remember how several areas and countries fell under the rule of totalitarianism. Because when we are looking at Georgia, comparing last year's events with events in Budapest's 1956 Soviet aggression or in Prague's 1968 Soviet aggression, there are lots of things to remember, to think about how such things happen.

It's important to celebrate the fall of the Berlin wall, and the fall of Communism. At the same time, keep all this in mind as a lesson.

RFE/RL: In the open letter published in "The Guardian" and other European newspapers and signed by many distinguished European politicians and intellectuals -- including yourself -- you call on Europe to stand up for Georgia. What made you write this letter now? Do you see any immediate danger for Georgia -- or for Europe?

Laar: [It's] not so much an immediate danger, I must say. This [letter] was [conceived] through discussions [held] several times. Such a group of people -- [representing] quite different political parties, different ideas, and different backgrounds -- agrees that Europe must remember these events and must look at Georgia now, and not [when] it will be too late. I think that is an important message, and it's not so much connected to any concrete event.

RFE/RL: The EU-funded mission which is investigating the August [2008 Georgia-Russia] war is due to publish its findings next week. Some reports -- including those published by the German magazine "Der Spiegel" -- speculate that the report will lay most of the blame with Georgia -- although other sources contradict this. What are your expectations about the document?

Laar: I'm a little afraid because of the discussion we see around the report -- which is not yet published -- and still I keep hearing [things] that make it look like it's been published already. But it is not. We will see from the report; it is very difficult to comment [on it] now.
[People seem to be] looking at things from a very interesting point of view, forgetting history, forgetting context, and forgetting one simple point: that during the war, no Georgian soldier, no plane, no other military equipment left the legal, internationally recognized territory of Georgia.


But, of course, I am a little afraid -- looking at the comments on the possible report, and looking at the statements of several people who belong to that commission -- statements they made even before [joining] the commission. [They seem to be] looking at things from a very, we can say, interesting point of view, forgetting history, forgetting context, and forgetting one simple point: that during the war, no Georgian soldier, no plane, no other military equipment left the legal, internationally recognized territory of Georgia. It was Georgian territory, and no Georgian soldier [left] the borders of Georgia.

So it could not have been any aggression, any attack, or anything like this. One other country -- the neighboring country -- actually [entered] Georgia in several ways, in several areas, in several trajectories. That's very clear; this is a fact. And the problem is that some people do not want to look at the facts.

RFE/RL: What more steps, in your view, can Europe undertake vis-a-vis Georgia?

Laar: I think, first of all, Europe can speed up the European integration. There has been hope for a long time that agreements like [on] visa facilitation, trade development, etc., will [finally] be made. I really hope this will now be the case, that [the Swedish EU] presidency will now seriously deal with these matters. I very much hope that at least the visa-facilitation agreement will be done [soon], and then there will be positive movement forward with the free-trade agreement, too.

For now it is clear that the main task for Georgia is to look for stability, look for development of its economy, politics, legal structure. This, I think, is the highest priority; and whatever steps help Georgia in this [direction], the same steps -- in the long run -- help with territorial problems, too.

Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili has been punished in the polls.
This problem is nothing new -- just look at other countries. In Cyprus it took a long, long time till solutions began to be put on table. They are not yet there, but I think they will be.

RFE/RL: Do you believe that Europe has real leverage for pressuring Russia?

Laar: Actually, it has. Otherwise, Georgia would probably have been occupied [on a larger scale] -- because it was largely the European Union's intervention that stopped the war last August.

When Europe is united, there are a lot of possibilities, a lot of influence. When Europe is not united, then of course there is not so much.
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by: Vyacheslav from: Zurich, CH
September 27, 2009 16:59
What a bunch of bullocks, how about publishing a report on these wars:

No Yugoslav soldier, no plane, no other military equipment left the legal, internationally recognized territory of Yugoslavia in 1999. It was Yugoslav territory, and no Yugoslav soldier [left] the borders of Yugoslavia during the Kosovar War.

No Grenadan soldier, no plane, no other military equipment left the legal, internationally recognized territory of Grenada in 1983. It was Grenadan territory, and no Grenadan soldier [left] the borders of Grenada during Operation Urgent Fury.

No Iraqi soldier, no plane, no other military equipment left the legal, internationally recognized territory of Iraq in 2003. It was Iraqi territory, and no Iraq soldier [left] the borders of Iraqi during Operation Iraqi Freedom.

No Afghan soldier, no plane, no other military equipment left the legal, internationally recognized territory of Afghanistan in 2001. It was Afghan territory, and no Afghan soldier [left] the borders of Afghanistan during Operation Enduring Freedom.

Let's wait until the Iran war pops up and we will have a more interesting report.

by: Giorgi
September 28, 2009 06:02
I see standards of RFERL lowering. INdeed more than half of the signatories grew OUTSIDE the iron curtain. Andre Gluksman and Marc Leonard or indeed leader of 1968 Paris Bendit. Please do research better!!!

by: Milenca
September 28, 2009 16:09
What about Kosovo, are we going to stand up for Serbia???????????????

by: Mile
September 28, 2009 17:06
WHAT ABOUT KOSOVOOOOOO????
KOSOVO IS STOLEN LAND !!!!!!!!

by: Rajka
September 28, 2009 18:27
I share your indignation, Mile, Milenca, Vyacheslav, and others. But honestly, guys, what do you expect from RFE/RL? It has long outlived its purpose of providing alternative information (that was rather lacking behind the former iron curtain, no doubt). And now, in a desperate attempt to prove it is still relevant, it clings onto any bit of promise that there might be another iron curtain in the making, even if this means twisting facts and common sense (forget impartialiaty, it was never on their menu).

by: J from: US
September 29, 2009 02:06
I have a better idea- let Estonia defend Georgia but alone under the direction of this valiant man.

by: Andrew from: Auckland
September 29, 2009 05:08
Sad to see all the usual Kremlin trolls are out in force on this one.

Really you "people" should be ashamed of yourselves.

Any support for Russia is support for a corrupt, totalitarian, and genocidal state, that since 1991 has murdered or ethnicly cleansed over 500,000 people in Chechnya, the Georgian regions of Abkhazia & South Ossetia, and the Moldovian region of Transdenister.

In addition Russia has facilitated, supported and protected at the UN, the mass murdering governments of Serbia, Sudan, Burma, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, the Sri Lankan government, and just about every other dictator currently in existance.

by: Nino from: Georgia`
September 29, 2009 06:26
to Vyacheslav:

In Georgian case, 300000 Georgians were forced to leave their houses, during the 1990s and up to 100000 during the last August war! And they are still out of their houses, because 1) the territorry is occupied by Russian soldiers and 2) most of the houses are burned down by Russian soldiers and south ossetian separatists!!

Do you see the difference?

by: Glenn
September 30, 2009 14:23
Nino, maybe you can tell us WHO STARTED THE WAR, WHO INVADED ABKHAZIA IN 1992?

Maybe you can tell us WHO thratened Abkhazian nation with genocide? Do you remember Karkarashvili? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzvtaZIMy98

Or Goga (Giorgi) Khaindrava, told the correspondent from Le Monde Diplomatique that "there are only 80,000 Abkhazians, which means that we can easily and completely destroy the genetic stock of their nation by killing 15,000 of their youth. And we are perfectly capable of doing this."

Refugees is always a big problem and it was not Abkhazia who bare responsibility for them - it is Georgia that started the war and created huge humanitarian catastrophy. And Georgian population fled before Abkhaz Army entered the occupied territories. See: http://www.unpo.org/downloads/Abkhazia_Georgia_report_1992.pdf

Could you tell me please how did you find 300,000 figure?

You say 300,000, Saakashvili say 500,000 (See: ''About 450,000-500,000 pride residents of Abkhazia live in exile in their own country. http://www.president.gov.ge/?l=E&m=0&sm=3&st=150&id=2597)

Such a lie!!!

According to the 1989 census there were only 239,872 "Georgians" living in Abkhazia. In 1992 - 93 war some of them NEVER left Abkhazia. And you should not forget that it was Abkhazia which unilaterally decided to open the gates for the (largely Mingrelian) refugees to return to Abkhazia from Georgia in 1999. Georgia at that time was actually accusing these refugees of being TRAITORS to Georgia. Were you aware of this fact, and, if not, what do you think about it? Today there are more than 60,000 of them living freely in Abkhazia’s Gal District.

During the war some Kartvelians (Mainly Mingrelians who lived in Abkhazia) fought against to Abkhazians. According to the 1951 UN Convention on Refugees, those who use arms in an armed struggle and then flee do not fall under the international definition of refugees. The responsibility for these people fell and falls solely on the Georgian authorities. It is important to note here that a great many of those who fled from Abkhazia were recent immigrants. They were partly victims of the compulsory resettlement organized by (Georgian) Stalin (Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili) and his Abkhazian-born Mingrelian lieutenant Lavrenti Beria.

I am really tired from Georgian lies and falsifications. http://circassianworld.blogspot.com/2008/08/demographic-change-in-abkhazia.html

Stand up for Georgia? No, Thank you!

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