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French-Russian Warship Deal Making Waves Among NATO Allies

A French Navy Mistral amphibious assault ship, docked on the Neva River in central St. Petersburg in November 2009.
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By Ahto Lobjakas
BRUSSELS -- The French daily "Le Monde" broke the news on February 9: Paris had "agreed in principle" to negotiate the sale of one or more Mistral-class ships to Russia.

If the sale goes through, it will be the first deal of its kind between a member of NATO and Russia.

Prime Minister Vladimir Putin first voiced Russian interest in buying a Mistral-class ship during a trip to Paris in late November. As he spoke, a Mistral was docked in St Petersburg -- part of a carefully choreographed move -- playing host to Russian combat helicopters.

Feeling vulnerable, a number of Russia's former satellites have mounted a bid to derail the sale. Georgia is particularly bothered, as memories of its August 2008 war with Russia are still very fresh.

NATO's new Eastern allies along the Baltic Sea are also unsettled, however, and have taken their concerns not only to Paris but to Washington and NATO headquarters in Brussels.

Undermine Security

Harri Tiido, the undersecretary for political affairs at the Estonian Foreign Ministry, tells RFE/RL that the Baltic states believe the sale of the Mistrals could undermine their security. "Definitely, it would not add to the security of the region. And I think the nations around the Baltic Sea in that case would have to see what they have to do to change their defense planning, maybe," Tiido says. "But also, it could influence the defense planning of NATO."

The Mistral is a 200-meter vessel capable of carrying 900 troops, 35 helicopters, four landing barges, and 70 land-going vehicles. It also has facilities for carrying refugees, supplies, and hospitals.

Although it has often been deployed by France in humanitarian missions, Russia seems to have military applications uppermost in its mind. In September, the chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Vladimir Vysotsky, said a Mistral-type vessel would have allowed Russia to defeat Georgia in 2008 "in 40 minutes instead of 26 hours."

Estonians and the other Baltic states take some solace from the fact that the Mistral is not designed to operate in icy conditions.

Russian defense analyst Pavel Felgenhauer says that Russia is planning to deploy the Mistrals in the Black Sea. "The most obvious application is to have the capability to perform large-scale landing operations in the Black Sea. And I believe that's first and foremost in the western half of Crimea," he says. "We have quite a number of large landing ships, but they're not new, and they were all built abroad, in Poland, at the Gdansk shipyard. They don't have helicopter landing capabilities.

"So, if by 2017, we would have some kind of problem with Sevastopol, having such a capability would be very important."

Felgenhauer says he doesn't believe the Mistrals would be used against Georgia.

Lobbying The United States


The chairman of Russia's national Security Council, Nikolai Patrushev, said on February 9 that Moscow has not yet made a decision on whether to buy the Mistrals.

In an attempt to make the sale an issue of NATO solidarity, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania have jointly lobbied the United States to intervene.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates met with French President Nicolas Sarkozy in Paris today and said afterward, "It is more a problem of the message being sent than a military issue."

So now [France has] decided to make a step forward and give the green light to a project that is removing many taboos in Russia and the West.
At NATO headquarters, officials appear to assume it is now a matter of when and not whether the deal will materialize. NATO spokesman James Appathurai says that the alliance has no objections.

"NATO has no formal role at all in this sale," he says. "Of course, allies talk to each other, including on this issue. We are quite confident that the sale would be -- when it takes place -- perfectly legal, within all the relevant frameworks. But, of course, some allies have expressed concern about the sale, and we are aware of it."

Heavy With Irony

The whole affair is heavy with irony for both NATO and France. Experts point out that Russia is seeking to buy the Mistrals in order to address some its naval weaknesses that were exposed by the Georgian campaign.

Georgia itself now feels threatened and its leaders are warning NATO that Russia intends to use the Mistrals against it.

Four months before the war, in April 2008, NATO turned down Georgia's bid to join the alliance's membership track after France and Germany voiced their opposition. France, acting as EU president, negotiated the war's August 12 cease-fire -- the full terms of which Russia has refused to honor.

French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner has said that only French intervention prevented Russia from capturing Tbilisi. Both the EU and NATO temporarily broke off relations with Russia after the war.

Last year, France rejoined NATO's military command structure after an absence of 43 years. But Paris also vowed to pursue a European axis within the alliance. Its leaders have repeatedly argued that the alliance can't continue treating Moscow as simultaneously an ally and an enemy, a position Germany agrees with.

Both countries opposed the U.S. plan to site part of its missile shield in Eastern Europe, as well as drawing up NATO defense plans for the three Baltic countries.

Broader Agenda

Arnaud Dubien, a Russia expert at the French Institute of International and Strategic Relations (IRIS), says that France's pursuit of better relations with Russia is part of a broader national agenda.

"France wants a more ambitious relation with Russia, notably in the economic sphere, but also on the political sphere. France wants to be present in important sectors: energy, aeronautics, railways," Dubien says. "So now [it] decided to make a step forward and give the green light to a project that is removing many taboos in Russia and the West."

Under President Barack Obama, the United States has sought to "reset" its fraught relationship with Russia. NATO, under Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen, has followed suit. Russia plays an increasingly vital role in NATO's efforts to stabilize Afghanistan.

Dubien also points out that the Mistral deal has a significant domestic dimension for France, which, like other developed nations, is grappling with the effects of the global economic downturn.

"The shipyards of Saint-Nazaire are currently building a third Mistral for the French Navy, but starting from next year, there are no [new] orders," Dubien says. "Building a Mistral employs about 1,500 people for nearly two years, and it would have been very difficult for the French government to explain to the future unemployed that there was an order, but that we refused to honor it."

Potential competition from shipyards in Spain and the Netherlands, both of which have been quietly approached by Moscow, raises the stakes. But Russia, like France, appears to have the bigger picture in mind. Moscow views France as a crucial bridgehead in Europe. Russia's sights are set on Paris: 2010 is "The Year of France" in Russia, and "The Year of Russia" in France.

French officials expect the sale of the Mistrals to be officially announced during Russian President Dmitry Medvedev's visit to Paris in early March.

RFE/RL correspondent Antoine Blua contributed to this story
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by: Alexandre from: The Netherlands
February 09, 2010 23:07
Arnaud Dubien, a Russia expert at the French Institute of International and Strategic Relations says "Building a 'Mistral' employs about 1,500 people for nearly two years, and it would have been very difficult for the French government to explain to the future unemployed that there was an order, but that we refused to honor it."
How does Dubien explain to the french people that Russia didn´t honor the cease fire agreement that Sarkozy and Medvedev signed and now they are going to sale to Russia a warship that can be used for kill faster women and children in Georgia ?
BRAVO FRANCE !!!!!!! FRATERNITE, LIBERTE, EGALITE AND MORALITE FOR SALE.
Bussiness are bussiness, and if you don´t understand it you must be georgian.

by: Boris from: London
February 10, 2010 09:29
Unfortunately, world has entered the era of RealPolitik, largely because of incompetent foreign policy of US Democrats. There are no values now uniting North Atlantic Allies. Bilaterel relations are taking a solid lead. Germany, Italy, France and otheres compete with each other to forge closer ties with Cynical Chekists (KGB men) in Russia, who just recently envaded the sovereign country.
Only when US republicans return to power, there could be any meaningful changes. But, buy then, the democrats may lose most of the achievments of Reigan and Bush Bush adminstrations in Eurasia.

by: eli from: bangkok
February 10, 2010 11:13
Boris:

What in the world are you trying to say? Did Italy, France, and Germany suddenly become willing to put commercial interests first when Obama took office? Nord Stream and South Stream certainly suggest otherwise. Get a clue.

by: Boris from: London
February 10, 2010 13:39
Eli: you sound like a total amateur in world geopolitcis. it will take too long to explain hole strory to you. Briefly, when there is no strong US leadership in Europe, and priorities are put elswhere (chasing bearded guys in Afghanistani caves), European big powers are seeking to accomodate newly agressive and resurgent Russian Chekists (KGB). They don't want a headache because of some really minor issue (in their opinion) like Georgia, or Chechnya.
When the leader is not there the team is getting dissintegrated, and loosing direction. Germany's interests for example are much more in line with Russia's than with Poland's. So, there are no common values in NATO anymore.
Article 5 is a myth. No one is going to follow up on it, even if Russia invades baltics.

by: Anonymous
February 10, 2010 15:13
NATO is doomed. The organization is digging its own grave. France is bound to regret this decision. NATO is bound to regret not opposing this sale. Nobody in the Obama administration cares about our Eastern European allies.


by: Rasto
February 10, 2010 21:10
French politics in last 100 years resembles quality of prostitutes..French politicians always wants to have a special relations with strong rulers. Rregardless whether it was Germany in 1938, Arabs in 50-80 ties or Russia now. Is it because they always feel so weak and vulnerable that they have to use any opportunity to trade their souls?

by: Zoltan from: Hungary
February 10, 2010 21:40
Hey guys what are you talking about?

"even if Russia invades baltics"

Why the hell would be useful for Russia to invade the Baltic states? They worth nothing.
The aim for Russia is to integrate with Western-Europe. To be at the table of the great powers as now they are isolated.

What is this:
"Russia, who just recently envaded the sovereign country."

What? Russia invaded anybody? Who?

The Georgians begin to kill Russian peacekeepers. What should Russia do? Wait and see how a mini-state kills Russian people?

Georgia and especially Saakashvili miscalculated badly... He broke the status quo which was a great mistake. Like the one did by Milosevic in 1999. Kosovo.

Did anybody of you talked that time also about the US invaded a sovereign country called Serbia?
(certainly I approve the intervention of NATO that time but still it is the same as what Russia did in case of Georgia as Georgia invaded the breakaway Sout-Ossetia so it was an agression began by Georgia. Russia only responded to that.)

And if we are talking about illegal invasions what can we say about the Iraqi invasion of the US???

Many people seems to apply double standards. Do not you feel yourself hypocrites?

by: Andrew from: Auckland
February 11, 2010 07:20
Now Zoltan,

Are your KGB bosses changing your script again?

The Russians claimed that they were acting to prevent "genocide" and used lies and fabrications as "evidence".

As the COE report said, there was no evidence of Georgian "genocide" against civillians whatosever.

And the COE report stated that there was no evidence that the Georgians targetted Russian "peacekeepers", so much for your arguments. Russia provided no names, no evidence whatsoever.

The COE report categorically states that Russia's actions were ILLEGAL. The report categorically states that Russia invaded Georgia, not the other way around. In particular it notes the completely illegal Russian/Abkhazian action in west Georgia.

The COE report stated that Georgia was guilty of overreacting to a long series of Russian and separatist provocations. Georgian military action was justified in principle, but too heavy in practice according to the authors.

If you really are so poorly informed about the history of former Russian imperial possesions that you can't understand why they do not and will not trust Russia, then you have no business commenting.

Russia, and Russians are still imperialist in desire and culture.

Tell me Zoltan, how do you feel about the Chechen, Ingush, and Daghesh struggles for freedom?

by: Boris from: London
February 11, 2010 07:33
Zoltan,

I wonder what is your salary? How much does KGB pay you? It must be a part time job, and probably you work from home. Not in hungary though, but somewhere in the Moscow suburbs. RFERL probably could confirm that by your IP address. You never miss any of the Russian related blogs.
And actually this is a general line of KGB now. On all the Russian forums/blogs there are paid agents like Zoltan pushing the Kremlin views very agressively, like: what about US invading Irak?
Wherever US soldier has put his foot the place has strived (Germany, Japan, Kuwait, Katar....). Whereas, where a drunk Russian soldier showed up every country has been devasteted. Irakis have a very good luck. They will be like Kuwait, Katar, and UAE in about 10 years. signs are already visible.
Zoltan, this is exactly why everyone wants to be in NATO, US security umbrella. And give me one country who wants to be in any kind of alliance with Russia. Even Lukashenko doesn't want to hear it.


by: Rasto
February 11, 2010 08:46
Zoltan sort out yoru facts about Russian -Georgian conflict and syop writing stupid things here ..I would advice you to be less naive. Russia will never integrate with the EU or NATO. They will never change their politics or mentality. At least not in this century.
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