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Israeli President's Azerbaijan Trip Breaks New Ground

Shimon Peres will be the first Israeli head of state to visit Azerbaijan

June 27, 2009
By Breffni O'Rourke
As part of a strategy by Israel to improve relations with moderate, secular countries of the Islamic world, President Shimon Peres is visiting Azerbaijan on June 28.

In the first trip by an Israeli head of state to Azerbaijan, Peres will hold talks with Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev and other officials.

Azerbaijan is of key importance to Israel, in that the Jewish state gets 20 percent of its oil from the former Soviet republic. And possibilities are being investigated for Israel to also buy big quantities of Azerbaijani natural gas.

Oil And Gas

It's not surprising, therefore, that Azerbaijan's $3.5-billion energy trade is likely to feature largely in Peres's talks in Baku.

For the Azerbaijanis, interest centers on the possibility of cooperation in medical research and various high-tech fields, and of importing Israeli agricultural products.

Baku may also be interested in buying more Israeli arms, after its initial purchase of hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of ammunition, mortars, and radio equipment.
Iran doesn't like anything Israel does. Their president has called for the destruction of my country


Azerbaijan, which remains locked in a dispute with neighboring Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh, has dramatically stepped up its military spending in the past five years; this year's budget alone is $2.5 billion.

Israel's ambassador to Baku, Arthur Lenk, told RFE/RL's Azerbaijani Service that the two countries have good relations.

"We are two small countries living -- I'm not sure how a diplomat would say it -- living in 'complicated' regions, and we have a lot in common," Lenk said.

"We are looking to build up our countries to be more safe, we are trying to live reasonably with our neighbors, we are trying to find ways to develop our countries, we are trying to find ways to live in a complicated area in peace and security."

But beyond the economic value of the visit there is the symbolic value of Israel being able to add another name to its roster of Muslim-majority nations with whom it has "warm and friendly" relations.

Envoy Lenk points out that Turkey, Egypt, and Kazakhstan also fall into this category. But he sees a special human bond between his country and Azerbaijan because of the long-standing Jewish community in Azerbaijan, and conversely the presence of many Azerbaijan-born people in Israel.

Wary Of Iran

The two countries have another common bond -- namely, their wariness toward regional giant Iran.

Israel gets 20 percent of its oil from Azerbaijan
In May, Azerbaijani media carried comments by Iranian military chief of staff Hasan Firudabadi warning Baku that a visit by the Israeli head of state would be an "incorrect step." Firudabadi was also quoted as saying that the visit seems not to be a friendly gesture toward Tehran.

Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Elmar Mammadyarov subsequently criticized the Iranian reaction, saying Baku would not accept any interference in its affairs.

In a June 1 editorial, the leading Israeli daily "Jerusalem Post" said that Baku's invitation to Peres at this time "reaffirms the strategic relationship between the two countries," and that it is a political gesture demonstrating Azerbaijan's "commitment to its Western orientation and independence from Moscow and Tehran."

Ambassador Lenk said that while the Peres visit is not Iran's business, it is not in any way directed against Iran.

"Iran doesn't like anything Israel does. Their president has called for the destruction of my country. Where does such a thing happen? No other leader calls for the destruction of another member of the United Nations, " Lenk said.

In an interview carried on June 25 by Azerbaijan's Trend news agency, Peres is quoted as saying that Israel stands for the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. This appears to be a clear reference to the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute, in which ethnic Armenians continue to occupy territory within Azerbaijani borders.

Not everything in the Azeri-Israeli connection is plain sailing, however. Four Azeribaijanis and two Lebanese are currently on trial in Azerbaijan, facing charges that they were plotting to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Baku.

And the pro-Iranian Azerbaijani Islamic Party staged a protest rally in the village of Nardaran outside Baku ahead of Peres's arrival. 

RFE/RL's Azerbaijani Service contributed to this report
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by: Fuad from: Baku
July 08, 2009 15:33
I openly and candidly back boosting of comprehensive ties with Israel without detriment to Iran, Palestine or any other Mideast countries. Azerbaijan has been historically in good relations with Jews both inside and outside of the country. We have a settlment in a picturesque spot in Quba and inhabitants of the area are both Azeris and Jews living hand in handfor many centuries; Jews play a significant role in Azerbaijan and we do also safeguard them as our residents. However, there are open and secret attempts to spoil ties with them but in vain; Azerbaijanis will never agree to aggravation of relations with Jews because Iran wants it as the latter is in all-out relations with Armenia and we do not interfere in it although we are unhappy about it.
As for an anonymous RD with his/her note posted, leaders are leaders for their contribution to their countries and Great Ataturk is loved by whole Turkic land as he was at the helm of Turkey in liberation of the country from numerous occupiers. We all grateful to him; we expect the day when either today's leader or tomorrow's new ones will embark on liberation of our lands. By the way, Iran's ethnic Azeri ambassador to Baku today was accepted by Azerbaijani leader where they discussed bilateral relations. This is a good sign as diplomacy comes before everything else and with the goodwill all the problems could be resolved.

by: Sinav from: South Azerbaijan
July 03, 2009 22:55
… the country's 30% average GDP annual growth from 2005-2008 as a global record, and notes that the 11% growth projection for 2009 is particularly important because for the first time that growth will be led by a non-oil sector.

Resource:
Azerbaijan and the West: Strategic Partnership at Eurasia's Crossroads
An event held on May 14, 2009 at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

by: RD
July 03, 2009 15:11
Turks are so proud of Ataturk not once realizing he is a notorious criminal. If you have no idea what I am referring to, you should read about the destruction of Smyrna where thousands of civilians were dipped in gasoline and burnt to death. While this is taking place, Ataturk's only comment was that destroying Smyrna is just a small cost for overall victory. He sounds quite a bit like Hitler.

by: RD
July 03, 2009 15:08
If Azeri leadership had any sagacity, they would realize the Israeli government is using them against Iran while selling Azerbaijan arms for hundreds of millions of dollars. Money that Azerbaijan could use to build its post petroleum economy. Instead, the country's reserves will be squanderred on arms while most Azeris still live in abject poverty. When oil and gas reserves are exhausted, with petroleum money spent on arms instead of building the Azeri economy and infrastructure, Azerbaijan will sink in further despair. Oil is already inflicting Dutch Disease on Azerbaijan and besides the oil and gas industry, there are no other worth while industries to speak of in Azerbaijan. So, if this message reaches any level headed Azeris, urge your government to focus on diplomatic solutions to your problems and not military ones.

by: Aligan from: Istanbul
July 02, 2009 23:39
hey cinav azerbajanoglu.
the father of turkey is Atataturk, who are the fathers of azerbajan and kurdistan?

by: Zoltan from: Hungary
July 02, 2009 21:47
Chuck, I have to disappoint you:

South Azerbaijan is in the Islamic Republic of Iran. :))

by: Chuck from: Texas
July 02, 2009 14:40
HI Cinav from south Azerbaijan

I am angry about you for saying that my President Obama is not friend of Turkey despite all these years of support to Turkey financially, militarily and politically.

I thought our taxes and aids given to Turkey and Azerbaijan are appreciated. I did not expect that we are taken for a ride.
I will write to my local politician about your comments and attitudes, meanwhile could you tell me as it seems you know everything,
a- what is the percentage of your countrymen who think like you.
b-how many terrorist did your coutry and Turkey catch since 911.
Thank you.


by: Zoltan from: Hungary
July 01, 2009 20:14
Sinav, You asked me if I aggree to create a state of Roma population inside Hungary.

It is not real because Roma population live in mixed and they speak our language so they are compatriots of me.

But there are similar stories in the history of Hungary.
You probably know before WWI Hungary was 3 times greater than now. We have lost the most - in terms of land - among all the nations suffering during the WWI.

We have lost for example Transilvania the historical heartland of Hungary. It belongs to our neighbour Romania since then.

But life goes on. We should step forward and we have managed to do that. Now we live in the EU as good neigbours. We are about to eliminate border control between our nations.

We made peace!

So reconciliation helped to heal those wounds. Unlike in the 1920-ies or 1930-ies when the Hungarian leadership was "revisinonist" and planned to restore Great Hungary. Those dreamings have led to the Hungarian participation in WWI.
And what did we achieve? Nothing. Only more wounds and death.

Progress can be made only after reconciliation.

by: Sinav from: South Azerbaijan
July 01, 2009 13:35
Dear Azad,
We both have totally different approaches to the problems and I’m not supposed to accept every unsubstantiated claims of your type. I hope you understand this. It seems that you are the only one here barking on the wrong tree as people here were talking about Karbakh and not Turkey’s accession to EU or even a Genocide issue.

The alleged 1915 incidents have been talked all over time in Turkey and this is why the Turkey’s government is made to take further steps to discuss the issue with its Armenian counterparts but the Armenian hesitation and unwillingness is a revelation of the fact that the idea of Genocide has got fundamental problems and the Armenian government doesn’t want the truth to be learnt by its people for political reasons. You need to firs criticize your own freedom of speech problems in Armenia and the Armenian mentality that has pushed French government to adopt a dictatorial legislation banning anyone to talk or question the controversial issue. You’ll ponder over this shame and then we’ll be able to figure out the silly ones.

by: Sinav from: South Azerbaijan
July 01, 2009 13:35
- Part 1

Dear Azad,
I appreciate your effort in teaching me about world Laws and diplomacy and intend to return favor by teaching you a bit more about international Laws and Diplomacy. I hope you’ll take heeds:

1- Turkey is not allowed to EU because Turkish people are Muslim, EU’s free-trade policy, labor related issues and etc will hurt some EU countries on the one hand and on the other hand Turkey’s independent foreign policy is not in EU’s favor.

2- Armenian Genocide is not a fact and this is your autocrat mindset which obliges you to consider it as a fact.

A- Obama is not a friend of Turkey but he is a man who knows that deteriorated relations with Turkey would mean the end of U.S. monopoly in the region.

B- Do you know what is meant by the term Genocide?
The term refers to a well defined crime, the definition of which has been given in an international convention made after the Second World War: “Convention/or the Prevention and the Repression of the Crime of Genocide”, approved by General Assembly of the United Nations in its resolution of December 9, 1948 and which went into effect on January 11, 1951, a convention which Turkey signed and ratified. In the convention the definition of the crime of genocide consists of three elements:
a- There has to be a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.
b- This group has to be subject to certain acts listed in the convention.
c- The third element is the most important of all that is “an intent of destroying”.
Homicide becomes genocide when the latent or apparent intention of physical destruction is directed at members of any one of the national, ethnic, racial or religious groups simply because they happen to be members of that group. The concept of numbers only becomes significant when it can be taken as a sign of such an intention against the group. That is why as Sartre said in speaking of genocide on the occasion of the Russel Tribunal on the Vietnam War that, One must study the facts objectively in order to prove if this intention exists, even in an implicit manner.

C- I’m really startled by the figures. Zoltan in his comment mentioned 1.5 millions and you are talking about 2 millions. Will the Armenians any time agree on a fixed number? At first, immediately following the WWI the Armenians claimed that as many as 600,000 had been killed. Later they raised it to 800,000 and now they are talking about 2 millions. I’m sure the next individual commenting on this issue will raise the number to 5 millions. I’m afraid sometime in future they will talk about 1 billion deaths. But the fact is that Toynbee estimates the number of the Armenian losses as 600,000. The same figure appears in the Encyclopedia Britannica’s 1918 edition. In addition Bogos Noubar, head of the Armenian delegation at the Paris Peace Conference, declared that after the war 280,000 Armenians were living in Turkey and 700,000 Armenians have emigrated to other countries. According to the estimation of Bogos Noubar, the total number of the Armenian population before war was 1,300,000. Therefore it can be concluded that the number of the Armenian losses was around 300,000.

D- Dear Azad, Not just EU but whole the world is laughing at this joke.

E- I hope those good Armenians know very well that the 1915 incidents took place within the turmoil of WWI and losses of lives is a peculiar consequence to any war. I’m wondering why those entire so-called pragmatists never talk about 3 million Turks who died in the same period.
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