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Israeli President's Azerbaijan Trip Breaks New Ground

Shimon Peres will be the first Israeli head of state to visit Azerbaijan

June 27, 2009
By Breffni O'Rourke
As part of a strategy by Israel to improve relations with moderate, secular countries of the Islamic world, President Shimon Peres is visiting Azerbaijan on June 28.

In the first trip by an Israeli head of state to Azerbaijan, Peres will hold talks with Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev and other officials.

Azerbaijan is of key importance to Israel, in that the Jewish state gets 20 percent of its oil from the former Soviet republic. And possibilities are being investigated for Israel to also buy big quantities of Azerbaijani natural gas.

Oil And Gas

It's not surprising, therefore, that Azerbaijan's $3.5-billion energy trade is likely to feature largely in Peres's talks in Baku.

For the Azerbaijanis, interest centers on the possibility of cooperation in medical research and various high-tech fields, and of importing Israeli agricultural products.

Baku may also be interested in buying more Israeli arms, after its initial purchase of hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of ammunition, mortars, and radio equipment.
Iran doesn't like anything Israel does. Their president has called for the destruction of my country


Azerbaijan, which remains locked in a dispute with neighboring Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh, has dramatically stepped up its military spending in the past five years; this year's budget alone is $2.5 billion.

Israel's ambassador to Baku, Arthur Lenk, told RFE/RL's Azerbaijani Service that the two countries have good relations.

"We are two small countries living -- I'm not sure how a diplomat would say it -- living in 'complicated' regions, and we have a lot in common," Lenk said.

"We are looking to build up our countries to be more safe, we are trying to live reasonably with our neighbors, we are trying to find ways to develop our countries, we are trying to find ways to live in a complicated area in peace and security."

But beyond the economic value of the visit there is the symbolic value of Israel being able to add another name to its roster of Muslim-majority nations with whom it has "warm and friendly" relations.

Envoy Lenk points out that Turkey, Egypt, and Kazakhstan also fall into this category. But he sees a special human bond between his country and Azerbaijan because of the long-standing Jewish community in Azerbaijan, and conversely the presence of many Azerbaijan-born people in Israel.

Wary Of Iran

The two countries have another common bond -- namely, their wariness toward regional giant Iran.

Israel gets 20 percent of its oil from Azerbaijan
In May, Azerbaijani media carried comments by Iranian military chief of staff Hasan Firudabadi warning Baku that a visit by the Israeli head of state would be an "incorrect step." Firudabadi was also quoted as saying that the visit seems not to be a friendly gesture toward Tehran.

Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Elmar Mammadyarov subsequently criticized the Iranian reaction, saying Baku would not accept any interference in its affairs.

In a June 1 editorial, the leading Israeli daily "Jerusalem Post" said that Baku's invitation to Peres at this time "reaffirms the strategic relationship between the two countries," and that it is a political gesture demonstrating Azerbaijan's "commitment to its Western orientation and independence from Moscow and Tehran."

Ambassador Lenk said that while the Peres visit is not Iran's business, it is not in any way directed against Iran.

"Iran doesn't like anything Israel does. Their president has called for the destruction of my country. Where does such a thing happen? No other leader calls for the destruction of another member of the United Nations, " Lenk said.

In an interview carried on June 25 by Azerbaijan's Trend news agency, Peres is quoted as saying that Israel stands for the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. This appears to be a clear reference to the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute, in which ethnic Armenians continue to occupy territory within Azerbaijani borders.

Not everything in the Azeri-Israeli connection is plain sailing, however. Four Azeribaijanis and two Lebanese are currently on trial in Azerbaijan, facing charges that they were plotting to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Baku.

And the pro-Iranian Azerbaijani Islamic Party staged a protest rally in the village of Nardaran outside Baku ahead of Peres's arrival. 

RFE/RL's Azerbaijani Service contributed to this report
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by: Sinav from: South Azerbaijan
July 01, 2009 13:30
- Part 2:

3- Armenians were never a majority in Karabakh. Karabakh factually had been an Azerbaijani populated area according to manifold resources and it’s no surprise that it has yet maintained its Azerbaijani name. Karabakh faced major influx of Armenians as a result of formerly the czar empire and later the soviet distrust toward Muslim population of Azerbaijan. Russians backed Armenian expansionism, territorial claims and they placed Armenians in Karabakh in order to undermine the Azerbaijanis attempts to form alliance with Qajars and Ottomans that could soar Azerbaijani potential to fight back Russians who had segregated the region from Qacar Empire’s confederation as a result of 1813’s Gulustan and 1828’s Turkmenchay treaties. Within a year after the signing of Turkmenchay about 413,000 Armenians were brought to Karabakh and it’s why now a days the Armenians celebrate the anniversary of Turkmenchay treaty.

4- I’m sure you’ll take back your words if you study the resolutions. The world is condemning the ruthless Armenian troops and you ought to be ashamed of advocating those killers who are still occupying Karabakh.

5- Lol. We were talking about Karabakh but you have brought up a new subject by your own comment. Aren’t you a coward due to your own words?

6- The Armenians have never shown any initiative to solve problems and if they’ve begun to mend their ways that’s corollary to their isolation and the dire situation they are muddled in as a consequence of flatulent expansionist rhetoric. – Let me tell you that your wording shows how incapable you are in handling a discussion. Bear this in mind that I could reciprocate –

If I follow the same suite as yours then I need to ask you at hand you must bring to account the masterminds behind the murder of the former Armenian Prime Minister Vazgen Sarkisyan, former Speaker of the Armenian Parliament Mr.Karen Demirchyan and the rest of the murdered Parliamentarians who were shot dead while conducting a Parliament session in the 27th of October 1999.

by: Sinav from: South Azerbaijan
July 01, 2009 13:25
Dears Zoltan, I think you’re not sure about what you are stating because:

- There are still Armenians living in Baku.

- Zoltan, would agree with me if I say the Roma and Sinti community should have their own independent countries with in Hungary? Should the Afghan refugees who have been living in Iran t have a new Afghanistan with in Iran? Or the Iraqis living in Syria must have their own Iraq within Syria after sometime! Let’s deal with you idea after the U.S. has disintegrated into variety of countries. (You’ve got to be kidding me).

- The Armenian Declaration of independence makes territorial claims against Turkey. E.g. One of them is the Article 11.

- According to the international Law Karabakh is part of Azerbaijan and there are plenty of facts either from the Soviet period or prior to that era that proves Karabakh’s property relevance to Azerbaijan. Karabakh is occupied for 18 years and this is not an old issue to get over it. 18 years of occupation doesn’t mean that Azerbaijan shall give up its lands.

- The Armenians living in Karabakh would be living side by side with the Azerbaijanis people if Karabakh is cleared of occupants as they used to live before the emergence of Armenian territorial claims. It seems you’re not aware of the fact that Azerbaijan is ready to grant full autonomy for Karabakh Armenians if Armenian troops end their occupation.

- Azerbaijan will never reconcile over its own very land. I see no similarities between Kosovo and Karabakh but I could find some between Kosovo and per se Chechnya.

by: AZAD from: Great Armenia / NKR
July 01, 2009 02:48
Dear SINAV, I do not think you are Turk or Azeri but anyway I tell you why you are wrong;

In short you are barking on a wrong tree.

you are objecting every comments against Azerbaijan and Turkey without understanding what you are saying. The Governments of Turkey and Azerbaijan have laws for years which restrict freedom of speech and freedom of critising like the law 301 or similar in Turkey which forbids to talk about Armenian Genocide or against so called turkish pride! why because your goverments do not want the truth and your problem is you think the world is believing you, what a silly person/s you are.

Every nation in Europe and Middle East even Muslim Nations know that Ottomans have occupied their lands or part of it by force and under the name of Sultans Khaliphe which says that they are heirs of the Prophet Muhammad [S]and they are not even Arabs!.

so Republic of Turkey was born under confused state of mind. but after WWI, Europe gave another chance to Turkey to flourish in democratic way and to stop communism expansion to east Europe.

Next thing you must learn little bit about world laws and diplomacy,

1-if Turkey so good and democratic now, why then it is refused to join EU after all these long years?

2-Armenian Genocide is a fact. You lost your credibility by denying it. Read what President Obama said about Armenian Genocide before he became president and after, and Obama is a friend of Turkey. Further can you add up and say what happened to more than 2 million Armenians and other christian communities after 1915, where now their numbers are only hundred of thousands in Turkey.

3-Nagorno Karabakh Republic was make up of majority of Armenian people during Soviets and after, so during Azeri war, Armenian defencece forces liberated more Azeri lands to force Azeri warmongers to cease fire and to negotiation, that is why you are safe where you are living now in south Azerbaijan, you should give credit to Armenian defence forces for that.

4- you are talking about UN resolutions which are not relevant to Karabakh dispute and your leaders know that. let me promise you the world, is that solves your problems?, No. Do you know that at least four permenant security nations in UN will VITO your one sided resolutions?, so stop day dreaming and start thinking in practical way if you have ability to do so.

5-Turkish deniers and Azeri poppets always want to justify their bad deeds towards Armenians By bringing examples to what French did to Algerians or what US did to native Americans and so on to mask their guilts. The subject here is Turkish vs Armenian or Azeri vs Armenian do not change the subject if you are hounrable person. Talk about yourself and your action and your invasions and your Genocide unless you are coward.

6-Armenians have extended their hands to solve the problems between Turks|Azeris and Armenians, if they play games the world will close the doors for them and they will be back to their old expertise which were stealing other peoples' property, smuggling goods, people smuggling, rewriting history only you understand,dictartorship and army building for preserving democracy (are you realy believe that?) because Europe deep inside is laughing about your Demoracy.

something else, before you solve other peoples' problem go solve yours first like Cyprus invasion, Kurdish rights, your economical problems, free speech etc etc. anyway my best wishes to good turks and Azeris.


by: J from: US
July 01, 2009 00:38
To Zoltan: did you know that your famous compatriot Arthur Koestler (Koesztler Artur), the author of "Darkness at noon", climbed the Mt Ararat?

by: Zoltan from: Hungary
June 30, 2009 19:11
One more comment.

Why Azerbaijan do not follow the example of Armenia?
The Turks have massacred 1,5 mln Armenians after WWI and deported all the Armenians from Eastern-Anatolia / Western-Armenia which was part of ancient Armenianheartland.
And still Armenia is ready for reconciliation with Turkey. They are ready to turn the page of history.

So why Azerbaijan do not do the same?

Meanwhile of I do not close my eyes about war crimes committed also by Armenians during the war. The demolishing of Agdam or the chasing Azeris out of the ancient town of Susa were war crimes.

But now 15 years after the war it is time to step forward.

by: Zoltan from: Hungary
June 30, 2009 16:01
Nemesida, what do you think what would happen with those Armenians living in Nagorno Karabakh if Armenia would give it back to Azerbaijan?

I'm unfortunatelly sure that Azeris would massacre them immediately...

That is why Armenia should never give Karabakh back.

by: Zoltan from: Hungary
June 30, 2009 15:58
Dear Nemesida, Armenians also lived in Baku and other cities of Azerbaijan as well until the pogroms committed by ethnic Azeris against them forced them to be sweapt out...

I do not want to judge who has started that ugly war but that has unfortunatelly happened.
Like the Armenian Genocide or the WWII or the Yugoslav civil war all those had happened whether we want it or not and after all it is no use to point our finger to anybody to blame.
Probably both party both nation is responsible for the conflict. (It is as always not a black and white story...)

We all should come over about the past and accept realities formed on the ground.

In Nagorno Karabakh currently Armenians live. So that piece of land is theirs.

In Eastern-Anatolia Armenians do not live now so that land not belongs to Armenians anymore but to Turks.

These are the facts on the ground. We all should accept this.

Armenia do not request any land from Turkey (although Eastern-Anatolia was Western-Armenia...) but still it will also never give back Nagorno Karabakh to Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijan is better to accept and get used to this. Like Serbia did in case of Kosovo.

by: Sinav from: South Azerbaijan
June 30, 2009 11:33
Dear Ani,
According to USSR constitution, Karabakh is an inalienable part of Azerbaijan.( Article no.240 from the amended constitution of 25 February 1948 and Article no.87 from the amended constitution of 7 October 1977). Also you ought to study U.N. General Assembly and Security Council’s resolution to gauge the veracity of your claims. I’ve attached the some addressed from the U.N. website for you.

A referendum is a universal suffrage in which people vote to make a decision about a particular subject. By bearing this in mind you’re supposed to realize that a referendum which was conducted by Armenian minority in Karabakh used to lack the ballots of the Azerbaijanis majority. Imagine the Hispanic community of U.S. conducts a referendum to liberate California from U.S. while denying Anglo-Saxons’ opinion.

If Azerbaijan sent rockets to Khankandi (as you put it Stepanakert) that was to eliminate Armenian aggressors who were going to occupy Khankandi and massacre its population.

Dear Ani, I am wondering how you find the courage to catch the facts up-side down. This was Turkey which insists on forming a joint commission of historians to investigate the allegations of the so-called Armenian Genocide but the only side who kept on refusing to join the commission and open up its archives to investigators was Armenia. I recall President Robert Kocharian saying that ‘Turkey must recognize the genocide and then we can discuss the history’. Now you’re telling us that Armenia is helping Turkey to look into the case. Let’s say this is the Armenian side which is afraid of talking out its controversial allegation.

Harold, I do not live in Azerbaijan and I would be glad if you tell me about what makes the regime of Azerbaijan despotic? And also I would like to give you a much clearer example of the situation. Imagine the French community of Québec massacres the native English Canadians there and then holds a referendum to declare its independence and therefore France attacks Canada to liberate Québec. The point about Karabakh is that it has never been intrinsically an Armenian enclave and the historians of neighboring nations accede to this fact. You may also refer to `Armenia` by Hirand Pasdermajian and read about the nation which was promised a land by Russians.

Harold, I’m sure you do not know what hatred and consequences of feeding hatred is. The Azerbaijani people never created a massacres in Khojaly*, Van**, Urmiya***, … but Armenians did. Azerbaijani people have never been involved in terrorism but the Armenians did as a result of nationalism and being nurtured with hate. Justice Commandos, ASALA, Dashnak-Sutyun, Hinchak, ARA were all Armenian gangs and not Azerbaijanis.

* A city within Karabakh
** A City in Eastern Turkey
*** A city in North Western Iran


Resolutions:
1- http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2008/ga10693.doc.htm
2- http://www.un.org/Docs/scres/1993/scres93.htm
3- - Resolution 822: Armenia-Azerbaijan (30 Apr)
4- - Resolution 853: Armenia-Azerbaijan (29 July)
5- - Resolution 874: Armenia-Azerbaijan (14 Oct)
6- - Resolution 884: Armenia-Azerbaijan (12 Nov)

by: ANI from: ARMENIA
June 30, 2009 00:38
Dear Azeri freinds. Armenia will not go to war with you. you must know that you and Armenians have refugees from Azeri war because Azerbaijan started the war after Karabakh people conducted referendum and majority of the Nagorno Karabakh Republic's PEOPLE decided that they want independence from Soviet Azerbaijan, this is approved by Soviet law, international law, human rights law, UN law and common sence law. Karabakhi Armenians did not attack Baku, the Azeri army sent rockets to Stepanakert, therefore the ball for peace is with Azeri leaders. Pr.Aliyev has become mature now, he learnt now that diplomacy is the only way to solve the Karabakh dispute. Nagorno Karabakh Republic was and is here to stay so get use to it. Sooner or later you will find that your best freind is your neighbour. Aremnia is also trying to help Turkey with his history that is why Turkey asked for panel of Historians to look at Ottoman History. The Ottomans were the envading tribes before they became an empire they envaded Asia Minor,Armenia and Arabia for 400 years like USA now in Iraq -USA is comming out now from Iraq-. Ottomans invaded East Europe for hundred years the only way the invadors control people is by killing the people, read history. So again your best freind is your neighbour Armenia because Armenia has more genuine and real freinds even muslem friends and turkish friends than you in all over the world and Armenia does not need to buy freinds. Thank you RFE\RL. and Pr.Obama for allowing the truth to come out.

by: Harold from: Canada
June 30, 2009 00:06
Saying ethnic Armenians continue to occupy territory within Azerbaijani borders is as absurd. It's like saying Greeks continue to occupy Greece in the borders of Ottoman Empire. Nagorno-Karabakh was liberated by the Armenians, it will never go back to a despotic breathing regime of Azerbaidjan. A governement that is feeding its people with hatred and nationalism.
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