Friday, May 25, 2012


The Power Vertical

Moscow, Washington, And The 'Near Abroad'

President Dmitry Medvedev (left) welcomes his Ukrainian counterpart Viktor Yanukovych to Moscow in March.
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Last week, I blogged here about a new Foreign Ministry policy paper that was leaked to the media calling for Russia to improve its relations with the West in order to secure badly needed investments for its modernization program.

In addition to encouraging "alliances of modernization" with the United States and the European Union, the document also presages a fairly assertive Russian foreign policy in the former Soviet space. Fyodor Lukyanov, editor-in-chief of the influential "Russia In Global Affairs," noted this in a recent commentary published in "The Moscow Times":

The West is not the only focus of the document. It puts particular importance on integrating the economies of the former Soviet republics, opposing attempts by forces outside the region to weaken Russia and using the crisis to extend its economic influence into the Baltic states 'given the sharp fall in their investment attractiveness for the EU states and the serious drop in value of their assets.' In addition, the document takes a firm stance on Russia's strategic interest in the Arctic and on 'limiting access to the Arctic by players from outside the region, including NATO and the European Union.'

So what is going on here? Moscow is seeking to forge closer ties with the West while at the same time extending its influence in places like Ukraine, Georgia, and the Baltic states. Is the West -- and particularly the United States -- on board with this?

Writing in Gazeta.ru, political analyst Andrei Ryabov of the Moscow Carnegie Center seems to think so. A key signal, Ryabov writes, was the mute response from the United States following Moscow's recent agreements with Ukraine:

The moment of truth was the signing of the Kharkiv agreements with Ukraine on deliveries of gas and on extension of the presence of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol. Washington had no reaction to these shifts, considering them to be the domestic matter of Ukraine.

Ryabov argues that the Kremlin is hoping to use the changing geopolitical environment to do two things: secure the long-term stability of the existing political status quo in Russia and then spread that model of "managed democracy" as much as possible in the former Soviet area:

Moscow, it seems, has come (or will soon come) to the truly revolutionary conclusion that, while during the past decade, a rapprochement with the West posed a potential threat to the social order that had been formed in Russia, under the new conditions, on the contrary, it is becoming an important resource for maintaining and strengthening it.

He compares the situation with the way the United States and Great Britain dealt with the petrol states of the Middle East in the 1970s and 1980s:

If we use historic parallels, which are always conditional...this situation is somewhat similar to agreements in the 1960s and 1970s between the U.S. and Great Britain, on one hand, and the monarchies of the Persian Gulf, on the other. In exchange for reliable deliveries of oil to the West and firm opposition to attempts at Soviet political and ideological penetration into this strategically important region of the world, the Arab sheiks received cart blanche to retain their medieval domestic political orders.

Ryabov also sees the Kharkiv agreements as a model for the future spread of Russian influence:

Today, the discussion centers around the possible domestic political consequences for the entire post-soviet area. The Kharkiv agreements may become the models for all of the CIS. They have shown that conditions are being created for engaging the mechanisms of mutual support of the post-Soviet elite, who are not interested in continuing systematic market and democratic reforms, but are oriented toward strengthening the present-day social orders.

And the trade-off is that Russia plays ball with Washington on key issues like Iran's nuclear program (which they have been doing of late to a degree that I did not expect):
 
It signifies the desire of the post-Soviet elite to get involved in obtaining various borrowed Western resources, in participating in programs for aid and development, but without any obligations on changing the post-Soviet order, with retention of their present-day clan arrangements [and] corruption...To a certain degree, this is a different wording of the famous Russian message to the West: Take us such as we are, and we will be reliable partners.

The U.S. administration, from President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden on down have persistently argued that they would never agree to granting Moscow an exclusive sphere of influence in the former Soviet space.

But the arrangement Ryabov describes (and I consider him to be one of the smartest political analysts in Moscow), looks a lot like a budding de facto sphere of influence to me. The question is less whether the West will give the green light and more whether Russia can pull this off.

The strengthening of a pro-Moscow "managed democracy" certainly appears to be what is happening in Ukraine since Viktor Yanukovych came to power. Questions remain, however, whether Ukrainian society -- roughly half of which wants to see the country integrated into the West -- will tolerate it indefinitely.

And Georgia, where anti-Moscow sentiments run high in both the elite and in society, will be even less likely to tolerate such an arrangement (even as President Mikhail Saakashvili and his inner circle appear to be moving closer and closer to their own form of managed democracy every day).

Elsewhere, countries like Armenia and Azerbaijan -- both managed democracies -- have throughout the post-Soviet period sought to position themselves squarely between Moscow and Washington, and will likely continue to do so.

As assertive as Russia becomes in its neighborhood, the West will always be there as an alternative. And even as the high intensity struggle for influence that characterized the past decade in places like Ukraine and Georgia recedes with the reset, it will likely be replaced by a more low-intensity competition.

And as Ryabov points out, the model that Russia is hoping to spread in the region as the source of its dominance is inherently unstable:

The unwillingness of the ruling elite to give up even a tiny bit of their riches for the sake of preserving stability poses a threat. This leads to the unjustified growth of tariffs, the desire to invent new taxes, and to reduce expenditures for budget recipients. When everything is calm in society, there is an imprudent desire to squeeze even more out of it. It is these situations of becoming 'dizzy with success' that are potentially dangerous.

I'll be traveling to Georgia next week and, among other things, plan to blog from there about how these issues look from Tbilisi's perspective. Stay tuned.

-- Brian Whitmore

Tags: Ukraine , United States , Georgia , Russia , U.S.-Russian reset , Former Soviet space

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by: Anonymous from: USA
May 20, 2010 21:42
So, the Russians get a sphere of influence with their "near abroad". I wonder if they will allow the same to happen with the United States? Isn't Cuba part of our near abroad? I highly doubt the Russians will abandon Cuba to allow a US sphere of influence to exist. Once Russia rebuilds its influence in the post-Soviet space, it will then extend it outward to the rest of Europe, the Middle East and even further beyond. Russia is playing imperial games again with the rest of the world.
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by: BS Buster
May 21, 2010 11:44
What NATO has in eastern and central Europe is far greater than what exists in Cuba.

In any event, the Cold War zero sum game mindset is correctly not at the level of what has been evident since the Soviet breakup.
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by: Anonymous from: USA
May 21, 2010 15:41
BS-

"What NATO has in eastern and central Europe is far greater than what exists in Cuba."

Are you implying eastern and central Europe are part of a Russian sphere? Why not expand all the way to Portugal and Ireland? Seems to me that Eastern European countries in NATO are culturally, religiously, and economically very different from Russia. Poland for example, is one of the most Catholic nations in Europe. It uses a Latin alphabet, and has a booming economy as well. How does it fit into a Russian sphere of influence? If NATO ever disappeared, it would be replaced with EUTO (European Union Treaty Organization), with Britain, France and Germany being the dominant powers.
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by: BS Buster
May 22, 2010 22:41
Prior to the global recession, Russia's economy was faring well.

Compared to many other countries, Russia has weathered the global recession well.

Your culture point has a tone that could be possibly contrued as having a bigoted undertone.

The counterpoint to what you say notes:

- religiously, ethnically and linguistically, Bulgaria and Serbia have more in common with Russia than the west European countries you mention

- Russians and Poles are Slavs unlike Brits, French and Germans

- linguistically and ethnically, Russians are more "European" than Hungarians.

Russia is very much a part of Europe unlike what some suggest.
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by: Anonymous from: USA
May 26, 2010 03:25
BS-
"Prior to the global recession, Russia's economy was faring well."

Russia has no real economy other than commodities. I'm very sceptical of its so-called "modernation" plans. It's just like plans from the late Soviet period.

"Compared to many other countries, Russia has weathered the global recession well."

Not well enough. Its currency reserves are expected to run out by January 2011. Too much inefficient social spending and overall theft and not enough investment in education, infrastructure and public health.

"Your culture point has a tone that could be possibly contrued as having a bigoted undertone."

Bigoted against whom? I never suggested anything inferior or superior regarding Polish culture. I only said it is different that Russian culture.

"religiously, ethnically and linguistically, Bulgaria and Serbia have more in common with Russia than the west European countries you mention"

very true, but the Bulgarians chose to side with the West instead of Russia just like WWII when they chose to side with the Nazis instead of USSR.

"Russians and Poles are Slavs unlike Brits, French and Germans"

So? does that supercede all other differences? (I'm Slav too by the way)

"linguistically and ethnically, Russians are more "European" than Hungarians."

That's because Hunic people are decended from nomads. Their ancestor was Atilla the Hun.

"Russia is very much a part of Europe unlike what some suggest."

Russia is culturally part of Europe but geographically part of Asia. Most of the country is East of the Ural Mountains.
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by: BS Buster
May 27, 2010 19:36
Anonymous

Russia is developing in a manner that among other things include its own attempt at a Silicon Valley.

How the Russian government deals with health and education issues is relative to other parts of the world. There're the growing number of obese folks in the US with all kinds of health problems. In the US, reasonably well maintained 30 year old sports facilities get blown up in favor of newer ones. This happens as creaking old public schools linger on.

Russia can and should do better in a number of areas. Meantime, it's not as if an effort isn't being made with some positive movement.

Regarding your WW II point, the USSR, UK, US, Communist and non-Communist Poles were on the same side unlike Germany and some others. FYI, in WW II, the Bulgarians didn't declare war or fight against the USSR.

A good percentage of Russia's population is in the European part of Russia. Athletically, Russian sports teams compete in European sponsored events and not Asian ones like some other former Soviet republics.

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by: Anonymous from: USA
May 28, 2010 18:18
BS-
"Russia is developing in a manner that among other things include its own attempt at a Silicon Valley."

I'll believe it when I see it. For Russia to modernize, it has to decentralize its economy which will require it to decentralize its political system as well. This won't happen because it threatens the very ruling elite that make all the promises of "modernization". The status quo will remain.

"How the Russian government deals with health and education issues is relative to other parts of the world. There're the growing number of obese folks in the US with all kinds of health problems. In the US, reasonably well maintained 30 year old sports facilities get blown up in favor of newer ones. This happens as creaking old public schools linger on."

Russia doesn't spend nearly enough on health and education issues as other countries. The average lifespan of Russian men: 60 yrs. Russia also seems to be having a problem with AIDS, drug-resistant tuberculosis, smoking, drinking, drug addiction etc. Russian scientists sent a letter to Putin and Medvedev last year lamenting the state of Russian science. Students bribe their teachers for better grades. Unhappy Russian students have actually recorded bribing incidents on video. As far as US obesity is concerned, it's bad and it is spreading to other countries as diverse as China and France. In Japan, there was a proposed law limiting waistline size. I believe there is a link between properity and obesity. When nations become wealthy, their citizens become heavy and round.

"Russia can and should do better in a number of areas. Meantime, it's not as if an effort isn't being made with some positive movement."

Where's the positivity? Sochi? The truth is, Russia made enormous sums of money during the oil boom of the mid-00's, most of that money was sqandered. The Russian government seems to care more about projecting power in the world that actually fixing real problems internally.

"A good percentage of Russia's population is in the European part of Russia. Athletically, Russian sports teams compete in European sponsored events and not Asian ones like some other former Soviet republics."

Too bad Russian sports teams are not doing very well (except the Paralympics, good on them), Russian coaches have been leaving in droves, and not just because of higher pay elsewhere. I cannot blame somebody for leaving their home country if it is plagued with high levels of official corruption and lacks rule of law. The ROC recently hired an American consultant to turn their ailing sports programs around (Brazil also hired him)....so things may change....but there has to be a change in mentality as well.



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by: Anonymous
May 29, 2010 13:39
Actually, the average life span in Russia has improved.

As for economic planning, what was initially done in Russia when the USSR broke up was idiotic.

Russia's sports prowess is in a temporary lull that's not altogether catastrophic.

This is the first generation of Russians reared during the last decade of difficulty.

Russia will likely improve in the next winter Olympics. Regarding the next summer Olympics, Russia should do wthin the realm of its last performance, which was respectable.
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by: Alexandre Kappaun from: Brazil
May 26, 2010 22:17
My dear Anonymous,

Actually, with the end of the USSR in the 1990s the Russians had already abandoned Cuba. No more cheap Russian oil to Mr. Castro and no more expensive Cuban sugar to the Russians. Cuba has been living with its tourist industry and with the support of other Latin American countries, mainly Venezuela lately, and with some support from Spain and the EU. Therefore you are completely wrong on what concerns Cube being a part of the Russian spehere of influence.

The rest of your arguments were quite interesting to hear. Thank you for all the discussion with B.S. Buster, Boris and Ray F.

by: Boris from: London
May 21, 2010 12:03
US democrats led by Barack Husein Obama are conducting absolutely incompetent foreign policy, allowing Putin & Co. to ressurect the Soviet empire. What are they waiting for?! They will have to address this immense threat sooner or later. Its better sooner, until KGB confidence level flies up to the historical high. And the pace of Soviet assault is unbelievalbe. Even Russians themselves can't believe their fortune. One can read that on their faces.

And what the US Democrats do? They chase some bearded guys in the caves of Pakistan, and pretend nothing is happening.... Russians are the partners. They are helping to resolve Iranian issues they created in the first place... rediculous...
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by: Anonymous from: USA
May 21, 2010 15:52
Russia isn't resolving anything. It is using Iranian issues to get what it wants from the West (technology, WTO membership, missile shield elimination, etc.). They promise more sanctions, and then drag their feet.
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by: BS Buster
May 22, 2010 01:10
The BS of the Captive Nations Committee lives on.
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by: Paul from: Russia
May 27, 2010 16:32
'They chase some bearded guys in the caves of Pakistan, pretend nothing is happening'

If they didn't chase those bearded guys in Pakistan then those guys would come to New York and chase Americans there. And you are totally ignorant about Russia. 'Imperial games', 'the Soviet empire'.. are you still living in the Cold War times? Russia is a democratic country now, thus its population is dying out as well as European. And likewise, Russian population is replaced with those bearded guys (from Chechnya, Dagestan and others) . And you better believe me, when Islamic world and China engulf Russia as well as Europe and take its place then you'll find out what is a real threat. And what is a 'lack of democracy and human rights'. Actually, I'd advise you to convert to Islam if you still haven't.
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by: Anonymous from: USA
May 28, 2010 18:42
"Russia is a democratic country now, thus its population is dying out as well as European."

Truely amazing to read this! Russia's population is dying at a faster rate the Britain, France and Germany combined. Russia is FAR from being a democratic nation. It has rigged elections and doesn't observe rule of law. Recent video footage floating around the Internet shows a handful of Duma members voting for an absent majority by running through each aisle pushing their vote buttons. A democracy does not function this way.

"And likewise, Russian population is replaced with those bearded guys (from Chechnya, Dagestan and others) . "

My thoughts exactly for some time now, but I don't see them as a threat to the US as much as Europe or Russia. I would rather have Catholic Mexicans flooding into the US than elements from the Islamic world.

"Actually, I'd advise you to convert to Islam if you still haven't."

Why? Is somebody going to put a gun to my head? If conversion is by force, than it is not really conversion now is it?
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by: Rastislav from: London
May 29, 2010 19:42
My friend, Russia will be democracy if inheriting central power will allow decentralization of power into the regions same way as it happenned in the EU and when managed democracy will be exchanged with parliamentary democracy. So please leave these crazy ideas for someone else. Russia is regaining its power and and fighting for its influence around. problem is that regaining its influence in eastern europe would mean step back for these countries. And I personally i do not want to live under Russian influence again.Cold War is awakening from its very latent form and bad times are comming. When powers like Germany and Russia are singing same tune while US just watches from distance small (Eastern European) countries are not safe again.
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by: BS Buster
June 06, 2010 07:45
The commentary on "democracy" can get demented.

Russia would be less of a democracy if the likes of Kasparov and Khodorkovsky took the place of Putin and Medvedev for the simple reason that the latter duo are considerably more popular among Russians.

Also note how Ukraiiians have a higher opinion of Russia than the reverse. According to a not so distant Pew poll, Ukrainians going back to the Yushchenko regime had the lowest opinion of their government when compared to how others the world over viewed the political situation in their respective country.
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by: Paul from: Russia
June 07, 2010 17:14
"Actually, I'd advise you to convert to Islam if you still haven't."

'Why? Is somebody going to put a gun to my head? If conversion is by force, than it is not really conversion now is it? '

Ha-ha, do you truly believe that there'll be no gun put to your head? Have you ever read Koran? Have you ever heard HOW Islam has spread across the world? The problem with you, Americans is that Islamisation hasn't reached you yet on a big scale. But Europeans usually are less sceptical because they are disappering and being replaced by Muslims all the time. The party is just starting in Europe and in Russia, to my regret.

'Truely amazing to read this! Russia's population is dying at a faster rate the Britain, France and Germany combined.'

I agree. And I even agree that Russia is far from being a democratic country. But it do have all the caracteristics of a democratic country in terms of rapidly decreasing population and all stuff that accompanies it. Today Russia resembles a western state. We watch stupid talk-shows on TV, we have lost religion and belief in anything except money, our society is turning into a herd of stupid consumers etc. Nowadays it's hard to believe we are the same Russians who defeated Napoleon and Hitler, who once took 1/6 of earth, who were the first to fly to outer space. Doesn't it remind of something? Take for example, France. Once a great country, now is dying out. And Paris is a 'beautiful arabic city'... What about Great (long-time-ago) Britain? Germany?

'Cold War is awakening from its very latent form and bad times are comming.'

Maybe. But it's not Russians who are establishing its military bases around the USA, are they? We ceased to support Cuba long time ago. We abandoned our military bases in Vietnam and eastern Europe and what we got in return from the USA? Military bases around borders of our country. Do you really think that it's 'sneaky Russians' who are to blame for the next possible stage of the Cold War?? What are we supposed to do? Sit tight and wait untill NATO aircrafts start to bomb our country like they did in Serbia?? What do you want from us?
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by: Anonymous from: USA
June 08, 2010 19:14
"Ha-ha, do you truly believe that there'll be no gun put to your head? Have you ever read Koran? Have you ever heard HOW Islam has spread across the world?"

I know exactly how Islam is spread in the world, and I have read parts of the Koran as well.....I am a confessed unbeliever!

"The problem with you, Americans is that Islamisation hasn't reached you yet on a big scale. But Europeans usually are less sceptical because they are disappering and being replaced by Muslims all the time. The party is just starting in Europe and in Russia, to my regret."

It won't be reaching us at all. Most of Latin America is Catholic. We are an ocean away from the Islamic world, too bad for Europe and Central Asia...I foresee future problems in those areas.

"Today Russia resembles a western state."

LOL! It absolutely does not! Western infrastructure is not crumbling beyond recognition. Western Universities are still the best in the world from Max Planck to Harvard and MIT. Russian education is a shadow of the old Soviet education system. Bribery is even occurring in Russian schools, so students graduate without actually learning anything. Russia still uses conscription for its military and it has a shortage of able men. Then there is the "Potemkin modenrization" of the Russian economy. Do I need to mention any more?

"Nowadays it's hard to believe we are the same Russians who defeated Napoleon and Hitler, who once took 1/6 of earth"

But lost the Crimean War, the Russo-Japanese War of 1905, and the Soviet invasion of Afganistan. The Soviets also failed to capture Helsinki in 1940. Oh, BTW, you did have a lot of help defeating Hitler and Mussolini. There are plenty of military grave sites in Western Europe with American, British, French, Canadian, etc. buried in them.

"Take for example, France. Once a great country, now is dying out. And Paris is a 'beautiful arabic city'... What about Great (long-time-ago) Britain? Germany?"

In general, the great European powers of the past have all died out and global influence is passing to other parts of the world--especially Asia and the Americas. It should, Asia has most of the world population and the Americas (except US and Canada) are developing rapidly.

"We ceased to support Cuba long time ago. We abandoned our military bases in Vietnam and eastern Europe"

Your country is rebuilding ties with Cuba and is building a base in Vietnam (mainly because the Vietnamese are afraid of China). There are also Russian bases in Transdneister, Crimea, and Central Asia. Venezuela has offer Russia a base.

"what we got in return from the USA? Military bases around borders of our country."

What bases around the borders? We have the right to put bases in our own territory like Alaska, Guam, Hawaii. etc. We have ONE base in Cenral Asia to help with Afgan War. It will close when war is over. There has been no military build-up in Eastern Europe....NATO is in Afganistan, remeber?

"Do you really think that it's 'sneaky Russians' who are to blame for the next possible stage of the Cold War?? What are we supposed to do? Sit tight and wait untill NATO aircrafts start to bomb our country like they did in Serbia?? What do you want from us?"

I can't believe I am answering these lies. You apparently don't understand the internal problems within NATO. Germany, France and Italy have too close a relationship with Russia to participate in a NATO bombing campaign. They all trade with Russia and buy Russian commodities. China and the Islamic world are a much bigger threat to Russia than a dysfunctional military alliance in Europe. You must be watching "Russia Today" propaganda TV to get your information.
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by: Paul from: Russia
June 09, 2010 21:08
"It won't be reaching us at all. Most of Latin America is Catholic. We are an ocean away from the Islamic world, too bad for Europe and Central Asia"

9/11 was just a beginning. And by invading Afganistan and Iraq you have just worsened things for you in that sense. So don't think that ocean will protect you from those bearded guys. They are in no way like western people and can be stopped only by death.

"Do I need to mention any more?"

Dear friend,

As you could have noticed i had given some features that Russia now has in common with western states. Did i say anything about economy or education? The main problem for Russia is dying out of its population. But that problem stems from the much more horrible problem - losing of our spirit. We get western pop culture, stupid TV-shows, bugging advertising, women's emancipation, more rights for sodomites, permanent brainwashing about "democracy" and other western stuff. All that makes us to lose our spirit. We do start to resemble western people in this respect. We become a herd of stupid consumers. Consequently, we die out. And by the way, you may be surprised to hear that white population of the USA is reducing at almost the same rate as Eroupean. But the permanent flood of Latino immigrants makes this problem not so obvious.

"But lost the Crimean War, the Russo-Japanese War of 1905, and the Soviet invasion of Afganistan. The Soviets also failed to capture Helsinki in 1940. Oh, BTW, you did have a lot of help defeating Hitler and Mussolini."

Why this? When i wrote about some Russian achievements of the past i just wanted to contrast contemporary Russians and their great ancestors. I didn't mean to boast about the past. We had nothing to do with Mussolini and its defeat. In fact, we lost the Crimean War to then 'NATO' that is to say the greatest powers of the time. And yet they failed to take the Crimea itself from us not to mention capturing St. Petersburg or anything serious. We lost in Afganistan as well as you previously did in Vietnam and will do in that very Afganistan and Iraq. So is it a great stigma? We are alike in this respect.
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by: Anonymous from: USA
June 10, 2010 16:12
"9/11 was just a beginning. And by invading Afganistan and Iraq you have just worsened things for you in that sense. So don't think that ocean will protect you from those bearded guys. They are in no way like western people and can be stopped only by death."

Japanese Kamakazee could only be stopped by death....we stopped them.

"The main problem for Russia is dying out of its population. But that problem stems from the much more horrible problem - losing of our spirit. We get western pop culture, stupid TV-shows, bugging advertising, women's emancipation, more rights for sodomites, permanent brainwashing about "democracy" and other western stuff. All that makes us to lose our spirit. We do start to resemble western people in this respect. We become a herd of stupid consumers. Consequently, we die out. And by the way, you may be surprised to hear that white population of the USA is reducing at almost the same rate as Eroupean."

By your statements above, I have been able to conclude that:

1. You are xenophobic (anti-foreigner).
2. You are sexist (against women's emancipation).
3. You are racist against non-whites.
4. You are homophobic (anti-gay).
5. You are anti-Western.
6. Last of all, you have no idea what it means to be a modern state.

The Taliban could have made similar statements!

It's not your spirit that's disappearing, it's your inflated pride....created by decades of Soviet brainwashing and destroyed by the current leadership of Russia, who only exist to enrich themselves. Russia is a shadow of what the USSR was. There was hope in the West that the "lawless 1990's" would produce a lawful and just Russia in the 21st century....it didn't happen. All that happened was a consolidation of power in the hands of a few and a polarization of the oligarchs. The ones that refused to ally with Putin, have since fled the country. As for democracy, you have the ancient Greeks to thank for that...not really very Western being so close to Russia. As for stupid TV shows, doesn't Putin have his own show that he hosts every year where he berates ordinary Russians who ask questions? An ego-trip to say the least. Don't like TV anymore? Turn it off and read a book....that's what I do.
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by: BS Buster
June 10, 2010 20:51
The Crimean War involved several countries against Russia.

The British lost to the colonists, with the latter losing later on in Southeast Asia.

Transnistria is closer to Russia than Kosovo is to the leading NATO countries. Note the greater troop deployement in Kosovo when compared to Transnistria. A similar contrast is evident in a number of other areas.

RT is problematical with no media venue being perfect.

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by: BS Buster
June 10, 2010 20:54
Oh and Russia played the lead role in defeating Napoleon. It had earlier defeated Prussia in military battle as well.

In the West, Russian history is taught by some agenda driven leftists and flat out Russia haters.
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by: Anonymous from: USA
June 11, 2010 15:53
"In the West, Russian history is taught by some agenda driven leftists and flat out Russia haters."

What is this? So, in the West, all Russian history is taught by Russia haters? Where's your proof? I could just as easily say that Western history is taught in Russia by West-haters.
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by: BS Buster
June 14, 2010 01:09
The evidence is to be found in the slant of a good number of the sources getting propped.

by: Ray F. from: Lawrence, KS
May 21, 2010 16:33
Dear Anonymous, You might want to pull out an atlas and check where the Guantanamo base/torture facility is located. Over the past decade (or longer) the U.S. has lost its right to be the global arbiter of moral and decent political behavior. Take a close look at what is going on in Washington and Wall Street (not to mention Iraq and Afghanistan) before you start preaching this country's right to proclaim itself the "shining city on a hill."
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by: Anonymous from: USA
May 22, 2010 18:32
When in my posts did I mention the US's right to proclaim itself a "shining beacon on a hill"? I mentioned: NATO, the West, and US sphere of influence. As far as I am concerned, the US never had a right to be a global arbiter of moral political behavior (and neither does anyone else in the world). My initial post had to do with this fake "multi-polar world" that excludes the United States, that the Russian government desparately wants. Must be Igor Panarin's influence.
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by: Andrew from: Tbilisi
June 03, 2010 07:47
Ray F, when you consider that the mothers of Russian citizens held in Guantanamo begged US authorities to keep their sons there rather than return them to Russia where they really would be tortured, I suggest you grow up.

When you want to see what real torture camps look like please google "filtration camp" and "Chechnya".

Your ignorance is incredible.
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by: BS Buster
June 06, 2010 07:38
Yours is even worse.

You can't duck the fact that Ossetians and Abkhaz prefer Russia over Georgia.

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by: Anonymous from: USA
June 07, 2010 04:07
BS-

Abkhazians and Ossetians prefer SOVEREIGNTY, over both Russia and Georgia. Unfortunately, they falsely believe that Russia will give them sovereignty...they will get annexation instead.
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by: BS Buster
June 07, 2010 15:10
Anonymous

FYI, on 11/'06, South Ossetia voted to eventually become part of Russia. Russia has indicated that it isn't interested in taking in South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Meantime, these two territories prefer Russia over Georgia.
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by: Anonymous from: USA
June 08, 2010 14:55
"FYI, on 11/'06, South Ossetia voted to eventually become part of Russia."

And yet you actually believe in these fixed elections??

"Russia has indicated that it isn't interested in taking in South Ossetia and Abkhazia."

It isn't, but it occupies them and will have no choice but to absorb them. As I said before, if Russia grants them soverignty, Georgia will re-invade. Also, why does Russia give them Russian passports?
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by: BS Buster
June 09, 2010 10:01
Do you actually think differently?

South Ossetia's flag and coat of arms are identical to neighboring North Ossetia's in the RF. They're the same people. Show evidence of secessionist thinking in North Ossetia. Does Russia make these people accept Russian passports?

The issue of highlighting this last matter is two faced. There isn't much of a fuss when Romanian passports are made available to residents of Moldova and Bukovina.

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by: BS Buster
June 09, 2010 10:02
One more point:

I don't think that Georgia is in the mood of getting whupped again.
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by: Anonymous from: USA
June 10, 2010 15:09
yeah whatever, and the Abkhazians want to be Russians too. I suppose you are going to inform all of us that the rest of Georgia wants to be part of Russia and doesn't want the sovereignty it has had for nearly 20 yrs. Moldova should not even exist. The country was created by the Soviets. Many of its residents are indeed Romanian.
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by: BS Buster
June 11, 2010 08:10
Your sarcasm doesn't divert attention away from the reality that you apparently don't like and haven't successfully refuted.

FYI, Moldova has a prior history as an independent principality which included parts of what's today Romania. The mentioned entity didn't include Pridnestrovie's (Transnistria's) territory.




by: Denis from: Russia
June 10, 2010 17:23
In Russia more and more communists, and I'm happy

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