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Unrest In Georgia, Moldova Reflects Precedent Set By Kosovo

Has Kosovo's independence inspired others across the post-Soviet space?

April 10, 2009
By Peter Lavelle
The streets of Moldova and Georgia are boiling with protest and anger, while Kosovo continues to grapple with its self-proclaimed statehood. All three situations originate in the departure from the Cold War-era agreements respecting borders. We are witnessing the repercussions of the "Kosovo precedent," and they're not pretty.

What is happening in Moldova? Is it another so-called "colored revolution," or simply an expression of rage by young people who demand to live better lives? It’s anyone's guess. There are certainly specific individuals who are interested in stirring up trouble in Moldova, both within the country and in Romania. Some Romanian nationalists want Moldova to be merged with Romania. And some people in Moldova see unification with Romania as the easiest way into the European Union.

Do the Moldovan protesters have a plan? If they do, it has been acted out in a very clumsy way. The charging and looting of government buildings showed sheer rage, not a plan to take control of the country or to bring about "regime change by force."

The fact is that the Moldovan Communists are popular with the electorate. The April 5 parliamentary elections may have been flawed, but not to the degree the opposition claims. International election observers admitted as much, but at the same time they gave the election a passing grade.

What's happening is a young people's revolt. Importantly, many of Moldova's youth feel like orphans because their parents have lived and worked abroad (many of them in Russia) for so long. An estimated 600,000 Moldovans (of a total population of 4.1 million) live outside the country and send home remittances each year equal to the entire state budget. How many of these workers have returned home without money or a job?

Those looking for a conspiracy theory are out of luck, at least until more evidence surfaces. Moldova under outgoing President Vladimir Voronin has pursued a balanced foreign policy, seeking to maintain simultaneously cordial relations with both Russia and the EU. Voronin may not be the most modern leader, but he understands both the realities of Russia's influence in the post-Soviet space and his countrymen's desire for closer relations with the EU.

Many in breakaway Transdniester are watching the recent events in Moldova with satisfaction, in that the unrest and violence only serve as a further reason why they should not agree, in the wake of Kosovo's independence, to once again become a part of Moldova.

Post-Soviet Purgatory

How do events in Georgia compare with Moldova? Georgians have had enough. President Mikheil Saakashvili is a big-time gambler, but he has finally failed. By force of personality and taking advantage of circumstances, he pulled off the Rose Revolution of 2003.

Emboldened by that victory, he then pressed to unify the country, even if this meant using force. Saakashvili threw the dice and lost, launching a preemptive war against the breakaway republic of South Ossetia in August 2008 that provoked a massive military retaliation by Russia and thus resulted in a disastrous political defeat for him personally.

What is happening in Moldova and Georgia at the moment is very different in many ways. I call this process "transiting the post-Soviet purgatory." All countries in the post-Soviet space have to find their own way to democracy and economic stability. This process may be slow, and some aspects of it may be unpalatable to the West, but it is nonetheless unavoidable.

So what does Kosovo have to do will all of this? Most of the world's population does not regard Kosovo as a state, but rather as an idea and inspiration for those who want to change borders and get away with it without complying strictly with international law. This is why the "Kosovo precedent" is haunting the international stage.

Moldovans and the peoples of South Ossetia and Abkhazia are inspired by Kosovo's so-called achievement of independence. That independence was forced upon the world by a small group of Western countries that claimed that Kosovo was an "exception." This was a serious error-- one country's exception becomes other countries' rule.

One of the key tenets of the so-called Helsinki Accords adopted in 1975 by the members of the Conference for Security and Cooperation in Europe (CSCE -- renamed the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe in December 1994) was that the borders of member states were inviolable and could not be changed unilaterally. The recognition of Kosovo's independence, however, constituted precisely such a unilateral change, and we are now witnessing the Kosovo domino effect.

For over a decade, South Ossetia and Abkhazia had strong cases for independence, even stronger, they argue, than Kosovo's. Today they have independence, even if it is not widely recognized. And now some Moldovans who would actually prefer to call themselves Romanians are demanding border changes that would make this desire a reality. After Kosovo, how can they be denied this?

The Kosovo precedent was a terrible mistake for the international system and it will continue to play itself out as others seek to apply it to their own country. Today it is Moldova and Georgia's former breakaway republics that are full of hope -- others will surely follow tomorrow. And none of this bodes well for the principles of self-determination and respect for national borders.

Peter Lavelle is a political commentator for Russia Today (RT) television. The views expressed in this commentary are his own, and do not necessarily reflect those of RT or RFE/RL
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by: Michael Averko
May 10, 2009 09:10
On the subject of someone tied to government who was found to be involved in the torture, murder and dumping of corpses in water, there's this piece regarding Croat on Serb violence:

Croatia: Sentence in Torture Deaths
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/09/world/europe/09briefs-Croatiabrf.html?_r=1&ref=europe

Of late, there've been a number of such stories confirmed - years after the given occurrence.

Upon request, I can list them. Like I said, I wasn't the one who stated FALSE trumped up casualty figures that were later acknowledged as such.

I'm also not a faux humanitarian who seems to have a bigoted agenda against one group.






by: Michael Averko
May 10, 2009 04:21
Gaz

You keep repeating the misinformation about Kosovo minus Serbia being (in your faulty view) more multi-ethinally tolerant than Serbia minus Kosovo.

This is simply not true.

What happened in Kosovo back in 2004 was a disgrace. In that time period, Serbia minus Kosovo hasn't seen that level of carnage.

The ethnic demography of Serbia versus Serbia minus Kosovo is in sync with what has been communicated in this note.

by: Michael Averko
May 10, 2009 01:03
Gaz

You keep confusing me with yourself.

Specifically, you're the one who has been most dishonest and deceitful.

I'm really not into propaganda, which includes downplaying the non-Serb former Yugoslav nationalist transgressions and myth that the ICTY hasn't been a flawed structure.

The wars of the last deacde in former Yugoslavia saw the most casualties in a European conflict since WW II. I wasn't the one who knowignly lied about trumped up casualty numbers that were later acknowledged as false. On the contrary, I was on target.

You didn't successfully refute what I linoed on that truck incident - a piece which made some spot on points, that propagandists like yourself duck.

You're of course free to repating faulty analogies. Such a tactic is in sync with the Nazi concept of the big lie.

by: Gaz
May 09, 2009 15:16
Mr. Averko,

In my last two posts using your own words with complete context I exposed you as someone who is dishonest and deceitful. I don’t know how you’re not embarrassed to write again here or anywhere else on this subject.

I find repeating myself because you either don’t get it, refuse to face the facts, or try to avoid addressing important points by distracting.

First: Can you please clarify once and for all what is your position on SERB WAR CRIMES? Is it:
a) Serbs did not commit war crimes – they are a victim of a world conspiracy lead by the West, NATO, and UN to make Serbs look bad, or
b) Serbs committed worst war crimes since WWII dwarfing war crimes of the other FRY nations for which Serbian civilian and military leadership has been convicted by UN War Crimes Tribunal.

1. Truck incident – was refuted on my post from May-07 2:43, in there I explained that the credibility of sources is what matters in debate. An article from anonymous author posted on unknown website is not worth a detailed point by point argument (I don’t go around arguing with crazy people who deny Moon landing and Holocaust either). The detailed argument is especially not necessary since there was a trial and conviction by Court Case on this issue (it was huge media thing in Serbia because their public for the first time was faced with gruesome crimes committed on their name).

2. ICTY issue – While ICTY as the representation of international law is not perfect (nothing is), nevertheless it is a UNSC sanctioned institution to prosecute war criminals. In a debate (or court), once you take a position to further your case, it eliminates your ability of using the opposite position on the issue (not to say that this doesn’t prevent hypocrites from trying). So when you argued that Kosovo’s independence allegedly is not legal under international law, it is HYPOCRITICAL when you start arguing against international law (aka ICTY) that is trying Serb War Criminals. BTW the handful of "extremist scholars" that you mention argue against ICTY using the argument that UN is an irrelevant institution, that countries should/can not lose their independence and the hegemony of power (in other word they argue that there is no practical international law only power and force). You see even these scholars weaken your legal argument against independence.

3. Anti-War-Crime bias – I have a strong bias against war criminals (regardless of ethnicity) that were FOUND GUILTY in the UNBIASED War Crimes Tribunal and I'm not bias against Serbs. As I argued before speaking politically, economically and historically advocating Kosovo’s independence is the most pro-Serb position that one can take – the only way for Serbia to progress. On the other hand you need to tone down xenophobic anti Albanian language. Regardless of the Kosovo status they are a 2 million majority and you are going to have to learn to live with them.

PS: Like Serbia's nationalists start celebrating battle defeats one after another!

by: Michael Averko
May 09, 2009 04:08
You confuse a number of opinions with facts that it's easy to overlook some of them - especially when given the absurdity of some of your claims.

Contrary to what you say, a number of "credible" and "independent" historians don't share your view of the origin of the Albanians. The Balkans cover territory besides Albania. Saying that Albanians were in the Balkans before Serbs isn't complete without noting where in the Balkans they initially existed as well as primarily predominated in.

Under "Albanians," the Wikipedia entry covers the issue of the origin of the Albanians in the manner as communicated in this note. Wiki can be a mixed bag of accurate and not so accurate views. On this point, they're right. I can cite more detailed info. On the other hand, why bother? You're so set in your ways.

You keep rehashing the same views in a way that values the power of getting the last word in. This tactic works best when there's substance to what's being claimed. You've been lacking on that aspect.


by: Michael Averko
May 08, 2009 21:04
Needless to be said but said anyway: it's overly propagandistic to suggest that a country considered a democracy can't make foreign policy mistakes. It's also possible for a country not as democratic to be right in certain instances. In civilized cultures (to borrow the kind of rhetorical prose used by Gaz), it's understood that someone with a pristine record shouldn't be permitted to commit a crime against someone who might've done wrong in a prior instance. I can see where this point can be twisted into meaning something else.

There're democracies in disagreement with the recognistion of Kosovo's independence. Likewise, there're some not so democratic countries supporting Kosovo's independence.

Unlike propagandists, I prefer looking at such situations in an analytical way that runs contrary to the BS level.

by: Michael Averko
May 08, 2009 20:46
You come up empty again with a series of distortions.

You're the one in denial about "crimes" of some Albanians on Albanians as well as non-Albanians. Where have you firmly acknowledged such? Are you denying that Albanian nationalists didn't target Albanians who were seen as not agreeing with their views? This included the latter's participation in government involved structures.

The way you collectively label a people versus my own prose is indicative of who is more of a humanitarian between the two of us.

You brought up the truck incident and I posted details relating to it. Where did you successfully refure the comments made in what the cited piece said? You say that Serb authorities reached a verdict on that matter. How good are Kosovo Albanian government structures in finding fault within the Albanian community in Kosovo? In your seeming fantasy world, such a matter isn't key, because you cling to the faulty notion that things are "fine" (your word) there.

You very much distort what I said about Roy Gutman. It went along the lines of: in any event...

I didn't at all mislead in what I said on de-recognition. On the other hand, you distort that and other realities which are clearly evident at this thread.

Your latest barrage once again overlooks the non-Serb/former Yugoslav nationalist transgressions which greatly led to the manner of the Yugoslav breakup. Among others, the not so Serb friendly Warren Zimmerman gives acknowledgement to this point. I noted other points which you duck.

Legal scholars have soundly debunked your non-critical generalizations about the ICTY. Your view on it conforms with your overt anti-Serb bias.

In reply to your anti-Serb propaganda is this fact based reality: over the course of time, Albanians left Albania for Serbia. On the other hand, Serbs and other non-Albanians haven't entered Albania.

Your closing remarks are along the lines of the 98 pound weakling who looks in the mirror and sees a stud.

Interacting with you is on par with grenade fishing.

by: Gaz
May 08, 2009 14:45
You don't have to apologize about language;problem is not grammar but logic and lack of truthfulness. The mentioning of a team lets me believe that you guys have been telling each other myths&lies for so long that now you are starting to believe them in delusion.
It is surprising that you have the audacity to try to mislead about posts in this thread (they are right here to check). Let's analyze by issue:

1.SERB WAR CRIMES - in your post from May-07 7:37 you claim that acknowledgment of Serb crimes was your position all along (Misleading 1). On every single post were Serb crimes where mentioned you denied or tried to rationalize them. On May-06 10:54 you posted link to "Grim Fairytales" precisely to deny crimes. On more than one occasion you denied UN Tribunal war crimes convictions of Serbian leadership.

2.The Truck incident – in your last point you go back in denier mode. In my post about the credibility of sources I addressed this issue. But more importantly Serbian authorities had to arrest and convict the perpetrators (court conviction vs. anonymous site).

3.Other non-Serb Crimes - you claim that I deny them (Lie 2). On May-06 02:31 I told you that I worked with Serb refugees (they were not refugees out of happiness - a denier would have not brought up), I also told you that acknowledging Serb crimes does not mean that others didn't commit crimes too. Although other non-Serb nations fought a defensive war against the expansionist Serbia; still there can be no justification for war crimes and UN Tribunal has had non-Serb convictions too (at smaller numbers reflecting the magnitude of responsibility).

4.Kosovo Recognition - On May-06 2:31 I said that 22 out of 27 EU and 58 out of 192 UN members have recognized independent. Where did I say the whole world has recognized it?!(your Misleading 3). Recognitions are growing. Objectively speaking the most progressive countries with biggest economical and military influence have already recognized Kosovo's independence. There is NO official talk for alleged "de-recognition" (your Misleading 4) by any country or diplomatic channel(Serb media and irrelevant individuals don't control anything - good for propaganda but not reality).

5.Discrimination of Roma population in Serbia-mistreatment in Serbia is systematic and they don't live in harmony (your Misleading 5). After last months forced relocation from Belgrade, earlier this week Roma communities where attacked in Cacak. Hate speach is the norm in Serbian parliament. The state of Roma's in Northern Mitrovica (Serb controlled area) is bad because Serb nationalist are not allowing government to reconstruct destroyed homes. In non-Serb areas of Kosovo Roma's live in peace participating in government with representation in Kosovo's parliament. On the other hand south of Serbia is basically under military occupation, and Vojvodnia is not allowed to have its constitution.

6.Kosovo population history - On April-17 9:47 you brought up Roy Gutman to argue that being first in a territory doesn't matter - indirectly acknowledging that Albanians were indeed first here.For more confirmations pick ANY history book written by any independent and credible historian (sorry but Serbian nationalists with chauvinistic agenda are not acceptable).Just saying otherwise without credible source is not reliable (Misleading 6).

I feel that this is an intellectual TKO to you and your "superior" team. Even if you throw behind entire Serbian government PR companies,the outcome of the debate will be the same -you know why?- not because I'm good but because it is easy to argue when the truth and law is on my side.

Not so bad for a "weak" guy. Unfortunately winning a debate against a virtual nobody is a waist of time(already too much).
Are you man enough to admit defeat? Maybe like Serbia start celebrating battle defeats! Af

by: Michael Averko
May 08, 2009 08:55
Gaz

On one of your recent points, it's quite understandable why a propagandist wouldn't like interacting with someone who successfully challenged his/her distortions.

Such individuals prefer a shielded situation.

by: Michael Averko
May 07, 2009 20:36
Gaz

Your last one came up empty again.

You mentioned the truck in the water. That piece I noted discussed it further. On that point, you didn't show evidence to the contrary. Instead you rehash a broad generalization that has had its flaws. I previously noted this in relation to trumped up casualty figures later being acknowledged as false and questionable legal practices that established legal scholars have questioned.

The Nazi and Soviet systems used legality as a basis for legitimizing an otherwise questionable process. People who truly believe in freedom and human rights don't serve as arm chair dupes.
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