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Armenia Confirms Shoot-Out With Azerbaijani Forces

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Armenia and Azerbaijan have traded accusations of responsibility for a deadly border incident that occurred while U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was in Yerevan.

Armenia on June 5 confirmed that five Azerbaijani soldiers were killed in shoot-outs between Armenian and Azerbaijani troops, and blamed the incident on Azerbaijan.

The Azerbaijani Defense Ministry had reported the incident earlier in the day, saying that its troops thwarted an attempt of "Armenian saboteurs group" to infiltrate Azerbaijani territory.

Azerbaijani officials on June 4 had rejected an Armenian statement saying three of its troops had died in a border incident.

Clinton, who is currently on her tour in the Caucasus, warned in Yerevan on June 4 that tensions between Armenia and Azerbaijan over Nagorno-Karabakh, the separatist Armenian-populated territory inside Azerbaijan, could escalate into a "much broader conflict."

Based on reporting by Interfax and ITAR-TASS
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by: RD
June 05, 2012 20:36
Ilham Aliev probably thinks the world is stupid to believe the skirmish started by the Armenian side. Armenia has nothing to gain by stirring the hornet's nest. It is an insult to everyone in the world in reference to the lies the Azeri Government communicates. They would love nothing more than violating ceasefire to induce the Armenian side to retaliate so Azerbaijan can use it as an excuse to re-start hostilities.
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by: James from: LA
June 06, 2012 14:29
Grow up kid. Both sides are shooting at each other and both complain. Are you so blind by nationalism that you cant read through the propaganda. I pity you.
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by: greg from: virginia
June 06, 2012 18:10
hey james. What RD says is quite correct that the Armenians of NKR no longer have a motive to continue hostilities. Besides, the incident referred to in this article took place along the northern border of AZ and the Rep of Armenia itself - far from NKR territory. the azeri trenches in Tavush now cross the internationally recognized border into the Rep of Armenia. Azeri's are trying to gain control of the high elevations inside Tavush. They figure it might help draw forces away from NKR itself in order to increase the success of a southeast flank attack on NKR. What this article is referring to was a legitimate incident of military defense on the Rep of Armenia side. if self defense is blind nationalism, then tell us how you feel about Russia's attempts to defend Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Are those people also without their rights? Is their attempt at self government also nothing but "blind nationalism"?
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by: Suren
June 06, 2012 20:52
Gaining a few trenches in Tavush for some supposed advantage in Karabakh does not seem to make any sense. As of now, it looks like it is the Armenians side who is trying to stir things.
Btw, Russia's invasion of Georgia has more to do with "blind imperialism" than blind nationalism. The imperialism to which Armenia has unfortunately fallen victim.
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by: greg from: virginia
June 07, 2012 15:15
you lost me there suren. not sure how azeri incursions into the republic of armenia equate to armenians "stirring" things. and i take it then that you see no rights on behalf of the abkhazians and south ossetians. that the only right operating there is the right of Georgia to force them back under a government they choose to separate from - at the point of a gun? going a step further, Nato's intervention to defend Bosnia and Kosovo was blind imperialism - with Bosnians and Kosovars also having zero rights vis a vis the serb government in Belgrade? Is that the jist of what your saying?
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by: RD
June 07, 2012 17:41
JAMES, Armenia has absolutely no interest in taking any steps that may augment into full fledged hostilities. The international community castigates Armenia for controlling NKR and the 7 districts surrounding it. Any hostilities Armenia starts, will result in further international condemnation, whether justified or not. Azerbaijan on the other hand, thinks it can win a war with its $3.4 billion military budget and oil revenues. They feel demographics work for them and against Armenia (i.e. the size of their military, population vis a vis Armenia). They feel if they stirr the pot, and Armenia takes the bait and retaliates, then Azerbaijan is in full validity to strike back, and hopefully re-take NKR and the surrounding regions. Azerbaijan can also deviate attention from the regime's hostilities towards its own citizens for evicting thousands of people from their homes to build Eurovision venues by fanning nationalistic sentiments by attaching Azerbaijan's arch enemy, Armenia. If you can't see this, don't pity me but stick to reading comic books.
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by: Suren
June 07, 2012 21:44
No one says that Abkhazians or Ossetians have no rights, you shouldn't bring in your straw man in this discussion, that's never been the argument. The point is if they have the right to separate a part of a country at their will. It's not like "oh we have decided to separate" and the other side says "go right ahead, no problem". Things don't work that way and for good reasons, there are more complex issues, the rights of individuals, nations, groups of people, authority of the state, nation-state's characteristics, etc. all the issues going back as far as the Treaty of Westphalia, French Revolution, foundation of the UN, etc. But the involvement of Russia in this matter is purely for imperialistic reasons. I don't think anyone is so naive to deny that.
Labelling Yuogslavian affairs imperialism is mischaracterization. These divisions are rather the result of the clash of three empires here in the 19th century. But in Bosnia they have decided to preserve the framework of the country and give various peoples wide autonomy, which is the best path to follow it seems. In Serbia itself there are still Muslims, who now call themselves Bosnians, and they seem to be doing fine so far. Kosovo is a more complicated matter. Generally it's declaration of independence is controversial, and remains to be seen if it is viable, probably not if Serbia continues to be firm.
We'll see what happens. And no need for thanks for a round of education.

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