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Armenian Couple Names Newborn After French President

Newborn Sarkozy in his Gyumri hospital bed on January 25
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Newborn Sarkozy in his Gyumri hospital bed on January 25

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Explainer: France's New Genocide Law Is About More Than Ottoman Armenians

The French parliament has grabbed headlines this week by passing legislation under which it would be a crime to deny that the mass killings of Ottoman Armenians in 1915 was genocide.
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An Armenian couple has named its firstborn child after French President Nicholas Sarkozy two days after the French Senate adopted a bill criminalizing any public denial of what is recognized in France as the Armenian genocide in the Ottoman Empire.

The infant, Sarkozy Avetisian, was born in Armenia's second-largest city, Gyumri.

The father, Karapet Avetisian, told RFE/RL that "on behalf of the entire Armenian people and on my own behalf, I thank Sarkozy for taking this step."

WATCH: The Avetisians talk about their son

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The bill passed in the French lower house in December and now awaits Sarkozy's signature before coming into law.

Turkey is outraged at the legislation.

In 2001, when France first recognized the Ottoman-era mass killing of Armenians as genocide, another couple named its newborn twins "Jacques" and "Chirac" in honor of then-French President Jacques Chirac.

-- Satenik Vantsian
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by: ilter from: New York
January 25, 2012 17:12
Turks headache with Armenian Diaspora started when France promised Ottoman Armenians the "Great Armenian Empire" in East Turkey during WW1. This is pretty much like Turkey promises Turks in Germany a "European Turkish Kingdom" in Bavaria. Sounds absurd, right? Well it didn't to French...
After Turks resistance and victory against France&Russia&Armenian rebels, this plan went to history's garbage and eventually, Armenia became a forgotten Soviet Satellite. Then finally todays lonely&poor country... The well integrated Armenians in France have been asking "why a super power like France failed to keep it's promise". This is the base of this issue, for starters.

Today, France is losing North Africa & Middle East to Turks due to the changing climate in Europe (Economic crisis) and the Middle East (Arab Spring). These countries are not ruled by dictators anymore and the people, new rulers, obviously trust Turkey more than their ex-dictators longtime-love France. http://www.brookings.edu/~/med...

Since France's economy is declining, France (Sarkozy) is getting more and more aggressive to gain the "moral ground" over Turks. This is a very dangerous game, as when Turkey gets over this issue, it will continue to grab the billion dollar jobs in the region while France proves itself as the "good old colonist" one more time.

I didn't say anything about the freedom of speech side of the issue as we already know that France is not a Free and Equal Country by any means. This law only sealed it.
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by: FoldIT from: New York
January 26, 2012 14:51
Ilter, I wouldn't worry much about French democracy if I were you. You should worry about Turkish ultranationalism that is imbedded in the entire government structure. And the fiction that you recount about France promising a "Great Armenian Empire" only works in the above mentioned Turkish racist anti-Armenian ideology that manifests itself by the denial of the Armenian genocide, that you so perfectly demonstrate.
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by: George from: Los Angeles
January 26, 2012 21:05
Turks live in Armenian home land not the Armenians. So stop with your none sense propaganda about Armenian Empire or about French helping Armenians. Also there was no such a thing as Easter Turkey during WWI there was Western Armenia and people were killed or forced to leave just because they were Christians. The time is coming for Turks to look back to their history and give back what ever does not belong to them. Live is boomerang what goes around come around.

by: Rashad from: Naples
January 26, 2012 07:06
Typical armenian approach, and in few years they will declare that “sarkozy” is ancient armenian name, and of course France is a part of “great armenia”

by: Alex from: LA
January 26, 2012 09:11
I love these idiotic lies people come up with, you people are a mob of Islamic supporters and Christian/Jew haters. Your understanding of Christian values are so backwards, just go to Saudi Arabia or Iran and see how you would fair there, even Turkey the pretend secular state.

by: TheHunter from: UK
January 26, 2012 15:15
Yeah typical and yet subservient!

“One should be blind to history not to understand the Turks. The dignified silence of the Turks against the mounting unjustified attacks and mean slanders can only be explained by their pity for the blind.…How beautifully this attitude of theirs answers the undignified calumnies.”
Pierre Loti, French writer and traveller, “Fantome d’Orient” (1928)
(Loti added: "The Turk is the noblest of the nobles. This high nobility is not artificial or showy-- it is the gift of nature. The only people that can create simplicity out of magnificence, eloquence from silence, a sensitive vitality from a graceful calmness...are the Turks. The Orient is the land of dreams and legends. The Turk is the eye, the tongue, the light and the truth of that magic land.")
"In an Asian city, during the 1896 massacres, the French Consul, who had sheltered as many Armenians as possible at the Consulate under the French standard, came up to his terrace to see what was going on in the neighborhood, when two bullets came from behind him, whistling in his ears; turning, he realized in a flash, an Armenian who had been aiming at him from a window of a neighboring house. Apprehended and questioned, the sly aggressor answered: "I did that so that the Turks would be accused, and with the hope that after the murder of the Consul, the French would rise against them."

Pierre Loti, Les Massacres d'Arménie (The Massacres of Armenia)
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by: Camel Anaturk from: Kurdistan
January 26, 2012 16:23
Yes,dear Punter,you`re absolutely right,them bloody armenians killed a coupla million of their own just to smear the noblest of noble turkey doves and make themselves subservient.Its nice to read again the demented 1001 nights fiction of francochon Loti-he actually wrote out of pity towards the poor turkeys and their abysmal state of existence-in reality his writings are of the `talking turkey kind`-thats what the wise,honorable and noble turkeys` gave the anguish language-the other idiom is the`cold turkey`state of `mind` you write from.A few years ago we had the mad cow disease,then came good old Mad dogan who ate all the crow he could eat and now we have the mad crow disease,which,unfortunately you have contacted,too.Now youwill get over it if you abstain from pork,halva,pilaf,and raki overeating,but we all doubt if you have the will to do so.Maybe a visit to the turkish bath will help if you have one in Langley or in MI5,but please ,dear Punter do not over indulge with the hanky panky there-we need yer wisdom in the struggle against armenian terrorism and the enemies of western demockracy.Brittania rules the world!!!

by: Alex from: LA
January 26, 2012 20:30
This is the real Turkey, lets see if they actually will do what the say.
read the article:

http://asbarez.com/100526/turkey-moves-to-deport-armenian-workers-after-french-vote/
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by: TheHunter from: UK
January 27, 2012 01:27
Great job! No one wants them cause all know that they are problems and particularly traitors of 3 Great Empires in History, Roman, Byzantium and Ottoman!
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by: Narek from: Armenia
January 27, 2012 20:08
Nobody asked those empires to settle on armenian soil
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by: Donovan from: PA
January 28, 2012 02:01
Are you forgetting the ethnic Armenian Emperors of Byzantium? Don't.
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by: TheHunter from: UK
January 28, 2012 10:26
@Mr Narek, agree with you but do you know the history of USA, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Russia, Scandinavia, Germany, France, Yugoslavia, Austria, Italy and Switzerland.
Live with the present but not the past! You say that kurds and russians were your bro's but they were against you. You say french is bro now but they are just using you.
There are facts that Armenians massacred too many Turks, Azeris, Georgians and Jews.

by: Vakhtang from: Moscow
January 29, 2012 03:15
There is always individuals who want to do extravagant things including the names of their children.
Armenians have always stood apart from others in the issue of how to name their children.
Romeo, Juliet, Hamlet, Harry, Winston- names that you can find anywhere in Armenia.
Therefore, the name of Sarkozy - desire for extravagance rather than a a tendency to politics of the average Armenian family.

For the Turks the French Senate decision on this issue as a mosquito bite...
they wanted to spit on declarative solutions of fans of frogs...

and in general this issue should be resolved at a meeting of the UN but not in France where a large Armenian lobby in the Senate and the result is known in advance...

What Frenchmen did to resolve the matter with Northern Cyprus and to assist refugees to return or get a decent compensation??

I would encourage the French to study their own history when scumbags of the "resistancе" were catching of French women tortured, raped and brutally murdered them for allegedly co-operation with the Germans.

by: Timu from: Miami
February 02, 2012 00:47
French legislators didn’t need a UN court ruling to act on the Armenian issue. So how about Sudan’s Darfur, or Pol Pot’s killing fields in Cambodia? Or Stalin’s engineered famine in Ukraine in the 1930s, or Oliver Cromwell’s scorched earth campaign against the Catholics of Ireland? Or, indeed, the decimation of Native Americans during the European settlement of North America? How about France committed genocide in Algeria, a former African colony, in the 1950s and ‘60s.
Facts and historical documents about so called Armenian genocide http://armeniangenocidefacts.com/

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