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The Balkans -- All Talk And No Listening

A Sarajevan Serb family mourns a victim of the Sarajevo marketplace massacre in the besieged Bosnian capital on February 7, 1994.
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By Nenad Pejic
Every time I publish a commentary on RFE/RL's English-language website or on the website of our Balkans Service, I watch in amazement as the reader comments begin to come in. I think it is safe to say that I get more reader comments than any other regular contributor to RFE/RL. But it isn't because I am so brilliant or even controversial. It is because my topics attract an audience that knows how to speak, but is incapable of listening.

My latest commentary here, "In Serbia, It's Time To Issue A Warrant For The Truth," has now drawn more than 70 comments. As I read them over the weekend, I searched in vain for one that took issue with the facts in my story or engaged my interpretation of those facts. But I didn't find any that even attempted something like that. Instead, I found only the same old back and forth about the Balkan wars that showed the main difference between now and the 1990s is that we are lobbing insults at one another instead of mortar shells.

Why can't we listen to one another?

In the spring of 1992, I traveled from Sarajevo to visit a relative in Belgrade. After months and months of endless war, day and night, during the siege of Sarajevo, it was amazing to be able to relax. One evening I began telling her about what I'd seen: about how the Yugoslav Army had surrounded and shelled the city; about the innocent civilians who died on a daily basis; about the beautiful buildings and ordinary lives that were destroyed; about the sadistic snipers who maintained a constant atmosphere of terror.

I'd seen these things with my own eyes, and I think I described them pretty compellingly. But I was shocked when she expressed serious doubts and, in some cases, refused to believe me. What I was telling her conflicted with what she'd seen on Serbian state television. And she believed Serbian state television.

Marriage Of Convenience

Why do the people of the Balkans continue to write and argue passionately about war crimes, trading accusations without ever hearing what the others are saying?

Across Central Europe in the late 1980s, a conflict emerged between people and communism. Having had enough, people across the region rose up and communism collapsed. This happened in Poland. Hungary. Czechoslovakia, and Romania.

But not in Yugoslavia.

Instead, a political marriage of convenience emerged in Serbia between communists and radical nationalists. And a similar one grew up in Croatia. Citizens of federal Yugoslavia were prevented from holding federal-level elections. Instead, they were reduced to merely being representatives of various ethnic groups. They began reacting only as Serbs or Croats or Muslims, instead of as citizens of a federation.

Communism -- an ideology that dramatically narrowed people's minds -- was replaced by another ideology that was even worse. And media supported this new ideology with narrow, often hateful programming. In short order, everyone in the region was reduced to one dimension -- ethnicity. It was the only thing that mattered. And now, 25 years later, many feel the same way. I see it when I read the comments to my articles. All people care about is whether I am Serbian or Bosnian or Croatian, and it infuriates them when they can't figure it out.

Endless, And Pointless

Conditioned to think of themselves as the defenders of their ethnic group, these people automatically reject or ignore facts that cast themselves in a poor light or show some other group favorably. When cornered by inconvenient facts, they rush to raise some separate, unrelated issue that is easier for them to discuss. As a result, all sides begin talking at one another instead of with one another -- the "discussion" becomes endless. And pointless.

A Serb Army position above the city of Dubrovnik in 1991
This ethnicity-based conditioning is reinforced by decades of exposure to heavy propaganda. Those who have been subjected to it hour after hour for years begin repeating its messages as their own thoughts. In the past, the Communist Central Committee did the thinking for the people. Now, the narrow-minded leaders of various ethnic communities are doing it. And in both cases, the last thing they would want is for people to think for themselves.

The terrible crimes that were committed in the Balkans still tend to be hidden by local authorities. State media do not investigate them but rather indulge in lurid reports of crimes committed by other groups. The policies that led to war in the 1990s have not been properly identified and exposed -- particularly in Serbia.

In order to begin thinking for themselves, people need to be told the truth. According to Belgrade's Strategy Agency, 79 percent of Serbs do not know that Serb forces shelled the Croatian port of Dubrovnik. Twenty percent deny that Sarajevo was ever shelled, and only 13 percent know the Bosnian capital was besieged for more than three years. Seventy percent of Serbs believe their country has only fought "liberation wars," while 50 percent think that Serbia has been on the winning side of all its wars for the last 200 years.

Such brainwashing is not limited to Serbia, of course.

During the years of conflict, many people were relocated -- willingly or forcibly -- from one country to another. In most cases, they moved to cities, and now their lives are stable and they want to stay. Many occupied land or apartments that do not belong to them. These people now need the hard-liners to defend them and their property.

And the hard-liners need them to maintain their own power. Both prefer tension and conflict and the ever-present possibility of violence to reconciliation and the inconvenient questions it might bring.

Judging by the comments on my articles, the region hasn't even begun to break out of this circle.

Nenad Pejic is an associate director of broadcasting at RFE/RL. The views expressed in this commentary are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect those of RFE/RL
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by: Sergey from: Chicago, USA
March 16, 2011 16:02
Let me Mr. Pejic speak just for myself as one of the readers. I am not from Balkans, but I do care about the region. Especially I am worried that in light of the resurgent global Jihad, Islamists will reign free in Bosnia and Kosovo. I worry about the long-term survival of Christian Serbs and Croats in the region in light of increasing influence of Islamic fundamentalism in Bosnia and Kosovo and throughout Europe. I am not going to apologize for being worried about the fate of Christians in light of what happens to Christians in countries when Muslims come to full power--just look what happens in Iraq and now in Egypt.

If we look at what happened with Yugoslavia in the early 1990's, it was the result of of rapid democratization without safeguards that allowed ethnic and religious extremists to rear their ugly heads and take over the power in Bosnia, Croatia and Serbia. As I pointed in my previous comments, had Yugoslavian military along with reasonable politicians stepped in and abruptly cancelled those forces that were seeking to gain power (even by Democratic means) and then tear Yugoslavia apart, there wouldn't be these brutal wars that killed hundreds of thousands of people, destroyed imperfect but viable Balkan country and created in its place a bunch of states that cannot function without the support of international donors.

Another point is that while Serbian Milosevic regime and its allies in Bosnia committed terrible things, blaming just Milosevic for what happened in fmr. Yugoslavia is nonsense. Ignoring Tujman responsible for expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Serbs from Krajina and his pro-Nazi rhetoric and Izetbegovich who was jailed under Tito regime for Islamist propaganda is simply omission of THE INCONVENIENT FOR LIBERAL MEDIA FACTS.

Just to wrap things up, lots of things have changed since mid-1990's, such as 9-11 and many people look differently now on Balkan conflict in light of the mortal threat posed to the rest of the world by the forces of totalitarian Islam. I worry about Islamic takeover of Balkans, the Middle East and eventually the rest of the world and what it pertains to individual liberties of non-Muslims, women and so on. And just following the line "Blame Serbia for Everything" will not go with me.
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by: Slava
March 16, 2011 23:35
Stroking Pejic's Sorosian ego, I submit the following comments in reply to his ironically written tripe about not listening.

Regarding what actually happened at Dubrovnik:

http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Yugoslav-Conflict-1991-1995/product-reviews/0415357055/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

An excellent site which is different from the RFE/RL propaganda line:

http://balkanstudies.org

The Bosnian Serb position has a similarity to the minority western portion of Virginia breaking from the rest of Virginia’s decision to separate from the United States. Hence, the coming about of West Virginia as a state.

The origin of the Bosnian Civil War relates to the Bosnian Serb position of not wanting to break away from an existing state (Yugoslavia). Note the bogus pro-multiethnic BS spewed to the West by Bosnian Muslim nationalists. If they truly believe in such, they would’ve chosen to remain in what was still a very multiethnic state – instead of seeking to create an entity where they would stand to have greater clout.

If the Serbs were so evil and the Bosnian Muslim nationalists so innocent, there would be no need to grossly exaggerate and in some instances completely lie about atrocities committed. Among some other sources, Savo Heleta's book brings into play this point. There's also the matter of Bosnian Muslims who opposed Izetbegovic by siding with Croats and Serbs against him.

Some good articles on Bosnia that are the opposite of what RFE/RL prefers:

http://nationalinterest.org/node/4190

http://www.transconflict.com/2010/12/bosniak-nationalism-the-end-of-exceptionalism-912/


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by: Adem from: LA
March 17, 2011 00:57
You should just call yourself Serby which is what you are. It's pretty comical how Serbs jump on the radical Islam bandwagon when you know the majority of people drink alcohol and don't care about religion, they consider it an ethnicity
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by: Slava
March 17, 2011 09:46
The more secular of people can nevertheless identify with a nationalism that has religion as an identity. This is evident with the person credited with founding Pakistan, as well as some of the supporters of Izetbegovic.
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by: Abdulmajid
March 17, 2011 13:48
Your hypocrisy and inhumanity is beyond good and evil. So "out of concern for the free world" then for the people in Libya and Egypt such dictratorships like that of Kaddafi or Pinochet are the best??? And the Bosniaks should continue to be oppressed and exterminated by the Serbs? And Muslims everywhere should be made to kneel before and kiss the Cross or else? You'd use nukes against them or what ??? You are an inhuman monster and it is good that you have absolutely no say in this matter but I would like to see you exposed and then that the Bosniaks caught up with you and exposed you for what you are. Walking you around town handcuffd and with a stone slab around your neck stating your diatribe about the Bosniaks would be perfect so that people could jeer at you and throw rotten tomatoes, rotten eggs, clods of earth or small stones in your face. And now go on and whine to the admins that I threaten violence on you. And what do you do? threaten violence and dictatorship on the Bosniaks and Kosovars and dismiss them as lesser human beings. Don't try to deny it. To you anybody who is a Muslim is a subhuman being and fair game. You say you only "oppose islamist ideology" but you target human beings, serby you fascist - well you know the rest. And your fanatuism bordes on the ridiculous and teh insane but it is in fact utter eveil . Sometimes I wonder what kind of mother raised you but she surely did a botched job at it or else you would not have become such a sociopathic clown.
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by: Slava
March 17, 2011 19:47
Another pro-Bosnian Muslim nationalist extremist distorts with bogus comments.
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by: riri
March 18, 2011 14:48
Is this your new alias, Averko? "Truth Serum" no longer work for you? Your habit of stating your opinion as somehow a fact makes it hard to miss you, whatever you call yourself.
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by: Slava
March 18, 2011 16:00
Averko must be one bright person.

In any event, this thread is supposed to be about the subject matter, as opposed to who is behind a moniker.

Feel free to comment on the actual subject matter being discussed.

Not doing so suggests a kind of trolling - inclusive of an inability to substantively disagree with the views related to the subjects under discussion.
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by: riri
March 19, 2011 09:32
No, Averko's a clown who ties trots out every debunked propaganda lie to deny Serbian war crimes while citing the usual genocide-denial "experts. Pathetic and sad, but also of value to any debate on the subject on this site, because it's important to debunk anything he says right from the start. He has no real arguments, and quickly begins name-calling.

My apologies if you're not him, just want to make sure it's clear here who the usual suspects are. Most of the comments here are just pathetic noise, only a few actually have an argument that hasn't been destroyed a hundred times. The idea that "the worst" crimes were committed on Serbs is myopic in the extreme. Rape camps? Srebrenica? Please.
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by: Slava
March 19, 2011 10:08
Substantiate "rape camps" and confirm established fact from questionable opinion regarding Srebrenica.
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by: riri
March 19, 2011 16:15
'Substantiate "rape camps" and confirm established fact from questionable opinion regarding Srebrenica.'

You must be joking.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/feb/23/warcrimes
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/mar/21/warcrimes.balkans?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_Bosnian_War (I know it's just wikipedia, but it has links to all the ICTY documents)

I know you'll come back with some mangled sentence like "Some have doubts as to the lack of bias of the Hague court" or somesuch, but it's much better substantiated than the Serbian victim fantasies to ladle out to your sympathetic emigrant zealot community.
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by: Slava
March 19, 2011 16:40
No I'm not "joking."

The fact of the matter is that pro-Bosnian Muslim nationalists gave grossly exaggerated casualty figures which were later acknowledged as such. The rape claims were especially out of wack from reality. That last particular included downplayhing the rapes committed by Croat and Bosnian Muslim nationalists. Why lie if the Serbs are so evil? The "evidence" against some of the arrested Serbs is less than what's evident against Oric, Ceku, Thaci and Haradinaj, who aren't in the dock. It's bogus to suggest that the ICTY has carried on in a reasonably objective manner. It's somewhat on par with RFE/RL's selection of articles on former Yugoslavia.

What's your opinion of Miss Croatia's recent arrest?

http://www.bh-news.com/en/vijest_det.php?vid=3138&r=4

You can be forgiven for not knowing about it, given that RFE/RL didn't seem to consider this story to be such a worthy news item. As someone wryly commented:

If the arrests of other such Croatians are any lesson, there’ll be noticeable demonstrations on the streets of Zagreb, Rijeka, etc. demanding the release of their ‘war veteran who fought valiantly for her homeland’. See also: http://www.slavorum.com/index.php?topic=317.0 . As for the ‘war veterans’ of yesteryear, the likes of Artukovic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrija_Artukovi%C4%87 lived to a ripe old age in USA or elsewhere in the West before being finally extradited after many years.




by: Katja from: U.S.A.
March 16, 2011 18:40
First of all, I really appreciate the work of RFE-RL over the years. It is quite true that Communism narrowed people's minds. This nađe it easier to divide people along religious and ethnic lines, and to create levels of extremisim unknown even in the Middle Ages.
I think war itself destroyedcthe morality of people as well. If you have a proper religious wducation, or even as a non-religious person, a proper ethical education, that is the last thing to go, but if your education is weak on ethics you might make choices based only on your own or you family's survival.
This is why it is so wrong for religion to be oppressed. Communism oppressed religion. So resistance to Communisim in part took a half-baked religious form. Communism delegated ethnicity to dance groups. People tend, rightly or wrongly to identify with ethnicity, since after religion that is the strongest extra-familial bond.
It was such an easy job to turn basically good, friendly people into murderers and thieves. People will do what they must to survive, and later will do what they must to not feel guilt for it.
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by: Slava
March 17, 2011 09:49
Unfortunately, it's not only Communism which has distorted past and present realities.

RFE/RL's selection of former Yugoslav commentary doesn't reasonably qualify as accurate.


by: Charli
March 16, 2011 19:11
I lived in Belgrade for two years and grew very fond of Serbian people. That said, I completely agree with you. The Serb psyche has not dealt with the atrocities created under Milosevic. Most still think the bombing was completely aggressive and unnecessary. The majority don't want Mladic extradicted. Evidently, many don't even know the facts. I recently visited Sarajevo and Dubrovnik. When I learned all the facts, I was numb. And this was not my country or war.

Last year, when the shoes were lined up (in Belgrade) in honor and sadness for Srebrenica, I thought this was a small, but important, beginning.

Whether it is Germans acknowleging the horrors of the Holocaust or Americans laying bare the evils of slavery, healing cannot start until the oppressor admilts the suffering they imposed. I have found Serbs to largely be a culture of humilation. No one likes guilt, but largely, Serbs cannot handle apology. The live off of "inat" and have made almost everyone weary or furious with their constant antics. Slovenia is offering to be a bridge. God bless them.

Yesterday, they "reshuffled" the government. Absurd. Even those that love them and want the best are tired. This is why "everyone is talking and not listening." Kosovo throws fuel on the fire. Serbia also has miserable leaders, corruption, inflation, and constant depression.

My genuine hope is that a young generatiion, as in Egypt, will rise up and say enough. There are many bright, educated, and enthusiastic young adults. It will need to come from them; the people who have been in charge for the last 20 years are hopeless or dangerous. I hope they will call for early elections and take very seriously who is in office.

All democracies get the leaders they deserve.
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by: Abdulmajid
March 17, 2011 14:39
Don't count on it: Serbs like most people prefer the evil they know to the good they don't know. I saw some youngsters from Serbia at the Siege Museum in Sarajevo, and they were truly horrified by what they saw. They were ashamed. I saw the Shoe Memorial they set up in Belgrade. I appreciate what the Zene u Crni and others do. I know there are honest and decent politicians in Serbia liek Nenad Canak or Cedomir Jovanovic. But they are a minority, quantite negligeable. Unfortunately it seems that those who are still thirsty for Bosniak blood hold the upper hand and the clout and do all to make life impossible for Bosniaks and they say "The world demonizes the Serbs" Well, if a majority of Serbs distanced themselves from serbofasscism and crude anti-Muslim jingoism I would want to believe them. As it is I hear more crude anti-Muslim jingoism, Bosniak-baiting and Bosniak-bashing than ever, and I get the impression a majority of Serbs still wish nothing more than to do in the Bosniaks and are still thirsty for Bosniak blood. I'm not calling them cannibals for the simple reason that I don't want to offend the real cannibals. And why should I feel sympathy for such people? Their crimes are execrable and if they think that by throwing mud at the Bosniaks they will clean themselves they're very wrong. What's the point in saying "The Bosniaks committed crimes too"; does that make anything you did less? But it is useless to try and talk some sense into these people. By their writing and own admission they show they only understand one language, that of violence, and the worst thing are such people as "serby" herewho is not even from the region and has admitted he does not know any Muslims, he only babbles the crude anti-Muslim jingoism and defends the massacres and crimes committed agaionst Bosniaks and then he says "I never defended these crimes but since they are jihadists any crime that could possibly be committed against the Bosniaks is justified and its outcome of these crimes is right!" If I had such a person among my acquanitances I would not merely suspend my friendship to him, I'd give him a little taste of the violence he prefers for such like me. I'd disown anybody from my family if he or she held such views. And I am forbidding my daughter to ever have a relationship with a Serb. She's nine now and if she had a Serb friend, I would seek them and hear what they have to say about the anti-Bosniak genocidal crusade. And if he or his parents bad-mouth the Bonsiaks I'd forbid him to ever see her again. And later, even if he was the nicest man around and they love each other very much, if he does not distance himself credibly and honestly from the anti-Bosniak genocidal crusade I would tell my daughter that he defends genocide of our brethren, and then she'd refuse by herself ever to see him again. Fortunately I have never met such evil ridiculous clowns as "Serby" in real life. They show their ugly mind-set only here. That cowardly despicable evil little twerp, to say nothing worse.
DOWN WITH GREATER SERBIA!
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by: Slava
March 17, 2011 19:52
Still yet, another long-winded salvo of extreme pro-Bosnian Muslim nationalist drivel, which the likes of RFE/RL have spoiled.

by: Dino from: NYC
March 16, 2011 19:56
God bless Dalmatia. 100 Godina Hajduka!!!

by: Serb from: Serbia
March 16, 2011 22:02
Mr. Pejic, it's well known and documented that RFE is directly sponsored by the US Congress. I wonder if your constant anti-Serb rhetoric has something to do with the sponsor of this "news organization". It seems to me that you are equaly brain washed by your employer from America to continue to "tame" Serbia and Serbs. You failed miserably.

by: Larry from: London
March 16, 2011 22:56
I wonder if Nato will prosecuted for war crimes for bombing Serbian civilians.

by: Mark from: Australia
March 16, 2011 23:49
Hi Nenad,

I thought the Hague Tribunal was meant to be the arbiter of history, the institution that would provide a common narrative for the region. It was also supposed to individualise war crimes, and move away from the stigma of collective guilt that often fuels such partisan debate.

Regrettably, the OTP with its use of joint criminal enterprises and casting a wide net in their indictments, has tended to undercut the process of individualising war crimes.

Victor Peskin in his seminal study on the ICTY and ICTR has a good discussion on this point as well as noting separate trials, the one in the courtroom, and the trials of co-operation played out in the media and General Assembly.

It is also regrettable that the ICTY, despite its flaws and buffering by large international actors, is not taken to be seen for the best independent test of evidence we are going to get in the region.

I take issue with your point about federal level institutions because it assumes that those federal institutions were legitimate and that national identity was the main problem. The problem was not independence for the various republics - the problem was lack of transparency about economic reform required, history (only now communist crimes at the end of WWII are being uneartherd), but also the best mechanism for transition.

My understanding is that besides Russia, the states of Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia are the only European states not to have had a lustration bill. If this is accurate, then it may account for economic stagnation and the reticence for the various governments to relinquish state control to the private sector of large tracts of their economies, as well as fully investigate and prosecute the extra-judicial killings post WWII.

by: Miroslav Starcevic from: RS (naravno Rep. Srpska)
March 17, 2011 01:56
Nenad(e) I really feel for you, it is not easy to be a third class journalist .... I hope they pay you anyway. Or let me put it this way: you are exactly where you belong to. Try delivering pizza, looks like you just can't delver it.
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by: Abdulmajid
March 17, 2011 13:54
YOU will suffer your very own Hattin: I hope I will live to see it, and if there is anything I can do to bring that about I will do it, no matter what cost to me, for I detest your arrogance and prepotence and the evil you have brought upon my Bosniak brethren with almost completre impunity, and you are still proud of it and at the same time you try to deny it. So why should I love you lot?
And just so you know, THE CROSS WILL NEVER CHASE TEH CRESCENT FROM BOSNIA!
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by: Marko from: Free Srpska
March 17, 2011 16:40
Hahaha, I agree completely. Moreover, some "3rd class journalist" will probable feel offended by being compered with this guy. Good comment Miroslav!
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by: Abdulmajid
March 20, 2011 21:02
Just you wait until it happens, and if I could contribute anything at all that you and all other serbofascist werewolves like you, thirsty for Bosniak blood, go down witzh it I will gladly do it. It is comments liek yours that convince me thbat a greatr majority of you Serbs are a bunch of genocidal bloodthirsty maniacs thirsty for Muslim blood, and may that blood come down over your own heads. In any case poeaceful existnec with a bunch of maniacs liek you is impossible, BUT THEN: in 20 years teh Bosniak swill be a majority inBosnia and if tehy get back at you for 1992-95 and 1941-45 I will not grieve for any of you who loses his or her life. Except pof cpourse for thoese who like Jovan Divjak stand by their Bosniak friends. These I consider as much my brothers as my Muslim brethren (except of course for traitors like Fikret Abdic and renegades like Emir Kusturica). And you can scream the righteousness of the Greater Serb cause as much as you like. I detest you lot for what you have done to my Bosinak brethren, I don't wish to come to your country nor to the Serb-occupied part of Bosnia, I don't want any of you lot around my neighborhood and I forbid my children to marry any of you.
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by: Maria from: Celje
March 19, 2011 00:22
Miroslav your comment is by-far the best comment on this forum. There are many 3rd class journalists writing for RFE, however Mr. Pejic has overshadowed them all.
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by: Slava
March 19, 2011 09:06
Judging from his title, Pejic is in a position of command responsibility, which makes sense, given some of the articles posted at RFE/RL.
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by: riri
March 19, 2011 09:39
Yes, brilliant argument. You really showed him what you know.
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by: Slava
March 20, 2011 04:59
Qualitatively more significant than what you've shown here.

by: Milos from: Toronto
March 17, 2011 03:27
Hello Mr. Pejic and all you who are reading this. Firstly i would like to comment on what i have noticed on many of Mr. Pejic's articles. From what i can see Mr. Pejic, like many of us who were born in Tito's time (forgive me if i'm wrong), is someone who is disgusted by the Yugoslav Civil wars or whatever you want to call them, and the disintegration of Yugoslavia. I'm purely speculating. And from what i can see from these articles is that he finds the Serbs as being largely (or completely) responsible for the fall of Yugoslavia. Or he at least seems to be blaming the Serbian politicians of the era (Milosevic, etc.) for starting the wars and then brainwashing the Serbian nationals.
I agree with Mr. Pejic and the rest of the world that Serbs in Croatia, Serbs in Bosnia and the FRY (SCG) Army in Kosovo did in fact undertake ethnic cleansing in these regions and they did use rape and murder as a means to do it. The Republic of Serbia has made it clear that it acknowledges this bloody past. Today the Serbian government is basically being punished by the EU by nothing short of an ultimatum. I am talking about the fact that Serbia must find, capture and extradite what the EU considers war criminals and accept Kosovo's independence in order to gain EU accession. So far it stands that Serbia is the only country with such a harsh ultimatum. While other countries are just required to change a few laws and Constitution to match that of the EU, Serbia is given a more special set of tasks. This i think is an example all on its own of how the EU and the world see Serbia. I don't see any justice in forcing Serbia to bear the burden of not its past but the past of Yugoslavia. I say this because Karadzic, Mladic, Seselj, Hadzic, etc. operated outside of Serbia, as rebels, not as representatives of the Serbian/FRY Government. I also say this because the BiH, Croatian and Kosovar governments are exempt from taking any responsibility for the war and any crimes that their nationals have committed.
This all ties back to the whole idea that Serbs are to blame and that the rest were just innocent victims. This idea is not just wrong but completely unjust. It implies that the Serbs just got up one day, took a gun and started killing their unarmed Croat/Muslim/Albanian neighbors. This previous sentence is how many people would sum up the war. Saying the war happened otherwise is sacrilege and you are automatically considered a Serb if you do say that the maybe the other sides were also guilty of starting the war or at least committing some atrocities.
Why does Mr. Pejic choose to ignore what happened to Serbs at the hands of the Croats/Muslims/Albanians? His articles imply that Serbs got out of the war without a scratch, which is outrageous. And when discussing the brainwashing that occurred in Serbia by the media he finishes by writing "Such brainwashing is not limited to Serbia, of course". Really? Is this your way of balancing yourself on the issue? What is the public opinion Croats have on the Serbs, Mr. Pejic? What is their opinion on Operation Storm? Are they aware of the amount of Serbs that were expelled from their homes? What do the Muslims/Bosnians/Bosniaks (whatever they wanna be called) think of Naser Oric? Are these people aware of what Oric, Ops Storm, KLA did to the Serbs? Why don't you look into that and tell us. And i can already see the comments i will get.
And remember, i am not denying the Serbs committed atrocities, i am simply asking for the others to admit to their crimes as well and stop the demonisation of Serbs and the historical revisionism.
When we study the Cold War we see the same thing:
1. The USSR is to blame,
2. The USA is to blame,
and finally,
3. They were both wrong.
The Cold War wasn't black and white, neither was WWI, WWII; and guess what? Neither were the Yugoslav Wars.

And one last thing Mr. Pejic. Did the west not use propaganda and unbalanced reports in 90s regarding the war?

Thank-you.

by: John from: New Zealand
March 17, 2011 04:29
I think i see the problem here, the author himself (almost certainly a bosniak) is brainwashed. You blame only the Serbs, when crimes were commited on all sides. It was not Serb forces who shelled Dubronovik, but Yugoslav ones, many of them Croats and Bosniaks. in your quote "50 Percent think that serbia has been on the winning side of all its wars for the last 200 years" you act as though its not true, however, there is much truth in that, they got offered a peace settlement which they'd proposed before the bombing began in 1999 in Kosovo, they got half of Bosnia, Slovenia wasnt a military defeat at all, the other 50% however, note the war in croatia as a loss during the ethnic cleansing during operation storm. Serbia has opened up to war crimes, and unlike many of its neighbors, has began to prosecute its own war criminals. Your article is unfair and biased, so the Serb commenters have gone forth to defend themselves, I'm not Serb, I've never been to any of Yugoslavia, however, after a two year long University study on the region, i found how biased the wars really were against Serbia.
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by: vicky from: zagreb
March 17, 2011 07:36
to john, but also to everyone who do not understand.... it is easy to say that the crimes were done on all sides. that is so easy because partly it is true, but think of all the area where crimes were done and everything is so cristal clear. Mr John do you really think that two years at the Uni is really that long or enough to understand what was and still is going on over there?
What you are saying about war crimes and kosovo i don't want to comment because there is much truth in there and partly I agree with you, but when you say that firstly " It was not Serb forces who shelled Dubronovik, but Yugoslav ones, many of them Croats and Bosniaks." or "Your article is unfair and biased, so the Serb commenters have gone forth to defend themselves, I'm not Serb, I've never been to any of Yugoslavia, however, after a two year long University study on the region, i found how biased the wars really were against Serbia." Those words are so not true. You were not there and your knowledge has been the knowledge from the books. And you know the saying: History has been written by the winners!" Unfortunately in Balkan war there were no winners. Dubrovnik was devastated by the Serbs, everybody knows that, but on the other hand Mostar bridge was devastated by the Croats. In war all sides are guilty at one point. The truth is that everything began with Serbs and the idea of The Great Serbia! That is the truth! And that's why it isn't fair because of the people and families who were dragged into that war to comment like that!
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by: Slava
March 17, 2011 09:52
Nonsense!

Izetbegovic's 1970 Islamic Declaration and the pro-Ustasha Croat regime are realities that some choose to downplay in one way or another.
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by: Rob from: New Hampshire
March 18, 2011 01:05
Correction: Serbia lost in the First Serbian Uprising of 1813, lost a war with the Ottoman Empire n 1876, lost in the Serbo-Bulgarian War in 1885. Slovenia and Croatia are both defeats since both territories successfully seceded from Yugoslavia which Serbia is the successor state to. Clearly they have not won all of their wars in the last 200 years. I agree that in some aspects the media has been unfair to Serbia. Tudjman definitely needs to be recognized as the scum that he was and Izetbegovic cared more about securing territory than securing peace. The fact remains though that most of the crimes in Bosnia were committed by Bosnian Serbs. As for the Dubrovnik shelling,the majority of the soldiers were Serb or Montenegrin. Facts are facts people need to accept them. These countries need to accept their history much like Germany has with its Nazi past. Accepting and making sure it never happens again is far better than denying and letting longstanding tension eventually ignite again.
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by: Slava
March 18, 2011 09:21
Actually, the Ottoman Empire was a very much defeated entity in the late 1870s, with Serbia being among those having gained in the Balkans.

The comparison with Nazi Germany suggestively over-simplifies things.

Regarding WW II: civilian casualties among Japanese were far greater than what happened to American civilians. The point being that who is more at guilt for starting a conflict can't be automatically based on which side suffered the most casualties.

Regarding the ongoing mantra about Dubrovnik, its 1990s era damage from war was more in line with what happened in Belgrade in 1999 than Berlin in towards the end of WW II. Compare the number of structures damaged, civilian and non-civilian casualties as well as degree of weapons used.

Once again, it's inaccurate to deny Croat nationalist intimidation and violence in and around Dubrovnik before the attack against such manner.
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by: John from: New Zealand
March 18, 2011 20:33
note: the vast majority of soldiers who shelled Dubronivik were Montenegrins, not Serbs, however, there were Yugoslav loyalists with them. Secondly, I wouldnt call Slovenia a defeat as 1st. The Yugoslav troops didnt even carry live ammunition, the war ended in a treaty. Secondly Croatian independence was agreed to by Yugoslavia in 1991, however, they took more land then they bargained for. However, It is possible to call that one a Croatian victory due to Operation storm, however, Krajina didnt have support from Serbia itself so its not really a Serbian defeat at all. I spose the Serbo-Bulgarian war was a defeat but it seems to go unnoticed due to its small size. When a UNPROFOR man was asked to comment on war crimes in Bosnia, he said there was a 40/30/30 split in Serb/Croat/Muslim crimes, its unfair for the author to pick on only the Serbs, the most horrifying crimes of the war have been against Serbs (eg, beheaddings, gouging out eyes)
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by: Slava
March 19, 2011 09:13
The late Warren Zimmerman was someone not known for being "soft" on the Serbs. Among others, he notes the unreasonable intansigence on the part of the Slovenian authorities; in a way suggesting their responsibility for Slovenia's brief war in the 1990s, which saw Macedonian JNA solidiers killed.

Note how Macedonia peacefully broke away from Yugoslavia. Slovenia could've done the same. Croatia and Bosnia involved less homogenuous populations and nationalist non-Serb politicians who did their share of instigating.

As previously noted on Dubrovnik, armed craot nationalists were in that area, with the attacks against them not leading to extensive damage of that town - especially when compared to some other wartyime examples.
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