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Bosnia Divided On Palestinian Request For Statehood Support

Palestinian President Mahmud Abbas (second from left) is welcomed by members of Bosnian Presidency, Zeljko Komsic (left), Bakir Izetbegovic (second from right), and Nebojsa Radmanovic (right) upon his arrival for bilateral talks in Sarajevo on August 15.
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SARAJEVO -- Palestinian President Mahmud Abbas was told in Bosnia-Herzegovina that Bosnia's three ethnic groups have not reached agreement on whether to recognize Palestinian statehood, RFE/RL's Balkan Service reports.

Abbas met with Bosnia's three-member, interethnic presidency and Foreign Minister Sven Alkalaj on August 15, the second day of his visit, and said after the meetings that he expected Bosnian help that was pledged for the Palestinian territories' planned declaration of statehood in the United Nations next month.

"We came to an agreement that we should continue our consultations in the near future until we go to the United Nations," he said. "We expect all support from them as they told us and we believe them."

The Palestinians hope to get two-thirds support from the UN's General Assembly -- 128 votes from the body's 192 members -- for their declaration.

Since the assembly's decisions are not legally binding, the resolution would also require support from the Security Council, where the United States has vowed to veto any Palestinian move toward statehood unless there is a negotiated peace agreement with Israel.

Bosnia is on the UN Security Council as a nonpermanent member.

Alkalaj said the country's presidency is still divided on the issue.

"I hope -- and this is one of the most important questions in the world -- that all of us in Bosnia-Herzegovina want to see peace in that part of the world, and that all people who live there continue with their lives in peace," he said.

Bosnian politicians are split on the Palestinian issue along the same ethnic lines as in the the case of independence for Kosovo, which Sarajevo has not recognized.

Denisa Sarajlic-Maglajlic, an analyst at the Sarajevo-based Foreign Policy Initiative, told RFE/RL on August 15 that "the problem is...that Bosnia does not have a foreign policy, does not have an agreed position about most issues. What comes out in these situations are party, ethnic, or 'entity' interests, which then influence everything."

Local media reported that the presidency's Bosnian Muslim member, Bakir Izetbegovic, and Croat member Zeljko Komsic support the Palestinian drive for statehood while their Serbian colleague, Nebojsa Radmanovic, is opposed.

The position of Muslim politicians and religious leaders reflects a high level of sympathy for the Palestinians and close ties with the Islamic world.

But Republika Srpska, which along with the Muslim-Croat Federation composes Bosnia-Herzegovina, has in recent years intensified its relations with Israel.

Pro-Israeli analysts and commentators are also often quoted in Bosnian Serb media with statements about Bosnia being a potential hotbed of Islamic radicalism.

Republika Srpska President Milorad Dodik visited Israel last year and promised to promote Israeli interests in Bosnia when he had the opportunity.

In May, Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman visited the Srpska capital, Banja Luka, on a private trip with a group of businessmen.

Milos Solaja, a Banja Luka-based political analyst, told RFE/RL that Bosnia would in the end probably try to follow European Union directives on the Palestinian statehood issue.

"Bosnia is in a delicate situation and there is a heavy burden on our politicians' shoulders," Solaja said. "Bosnia could stay neutral in this affair and it probbaly will in the end."
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by: HS from: Seattle, WA
August 16, 2011 20:05
The ethnic Serb president is against Palestinian statehood? Yet the Serb entity in Bosnia keeps trying to push for the right to be independent of Bosnia. If Bosnian Serbs want to be free of the shackles of federated Bosnia, why don't they support Palestinian aspirations of being free of the shackles of Israeli occupation? Just shows how distorted all the politics in Bosnia is these days.
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by: Emir from: Detroit, Michigan
August 17, 2011 08:56
Thats a good point.
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by: Damir from: Des Moines, USA
August 20, 2011 00:34
Serbs have long history of being political swingers or being on 2, 3 or 4 sides at same time. You see, they fought Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo, but they support Gaddaffi and Mubarak, the Muslims. They also support Palestinians but they also support Israel. Even in the WW2, Serbian Chetniks were allies with Partisans, then with Nazis, then with Fascists and then they end up supporting Ustashas in Croatia by the end of the war. So this latest swingaroo by Serbian bravados is nothing new and in fact, it should have been anticipated.

by: MP from: Sydney NSW
August 17, 2011 05:02

Actually, the Bosnian Serbs wanted to stay as a part of Yugoslavia. That's what the war of the 90's was about.
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by: Hasan from: Melbourne
August 17, 2011 09:50
Yes, part of the newly Serbian dominated 'Yugoslavia'.

by: George from: Melbourne
August 17, 2011 06:52
and I presume the Palestinian Arabs will never recognise Kosovo? stop the mind games.

by: Milos from: Sydney
August 18, 2011 02:44
@ Hasan. No, it wasn't going to be a Serbian dominated Yugoslavia. In fact, the Bosnian Muslims (and Bosnia itself) would have been an EQUAL partner in the rump Yugoslav state. EQUAL! Izetbegovic was going to accept this, and all his early policies were based on keeping Bosnia within Yugoslavia. But after speaking to USA, he rejected this initial idea in favour of full independance. When the Bosnian Serb assempley said 'ok, we will accept being in an Independant Bosnia as long as we have full autonomy' the Muslims said 'NO'. They wanted Bosnia all for themsleves, even thought the christians of Bosnia were in the majority.
Now compare this to Croatia's constitution the day after it declared independance, and the Serbs within Croatia overnight were transformed from a 'constituent nationality' to a 'national minority'. Imagine that, you and your family who have been a part of a region for hundreds of years all of a sudden become a minority, what would you do??? Now you know why the war started...
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by: sadf from: asdf
August 19, 2011 14:54
the Yugoslavia in the 1990s were Serb dominated

The Federal People's Army attacked Croatia, after they declared independence
After Bosnia declared independence in which both the Croats and Muslims were fighting the over powered Serbs at the time

NATO evened the score

Shame on the political back stabbing that separated the alliance with the muslims and croats in Bosnia !

Croats are the minority now in Bosnia.. Bosnia is lost to the Croats :( but thats okay we still see the Muslims as Croats with another religion, ahahah

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by: Damir from: Des Moines, USA
August 20, 2011 00:28
Serbs would be all over military, all over the Government, all over schools, all over corporations and that would mean nothing for Bosnia or Croatia. But quit blaming Bosnia and Croatia where Christian Serbian Orthodox are minority, you need to look right into backyard of Serbia; Montenegro and Macedonia, they are same religion as Serbs and they could not stay in that Serb dominant Yugoslavia let alone Croats or Bosniaks. Very soon Vojvodina will secede from Serbian cold and ugly dominance, but nobody will touch Bosnian borders, never!

by: Dr B.S. from: US
August 21, 2011 19:15
While it is true than vast majority of human decisions are not based on abstractions, rather they are based on needs, wants, morals, beliefs etc., it is a mistake to try and reason why serbs act in particular ways. The reason why I say this simply is because a good portion of them (including the people they choose to lead them), are not exactly human. They could be classified as sub-human, if you will. This is simply because in order to be classified as a human, in addition to the specific genetic and physiological traits, one needs to be humane (i.e. compliant with standards and norms of humanity). I could sit here and write you a book on historical evidence correlating the serbian nationalism and lack of humanity, or direct you to the website for the International Tribunal for war crimes and crimes against humanity (overwhelmingly populated by serbian sub-humans and recounts of their sub human crimes in Bosnia), or tell you about some of my personal experiences as a 14 year old in a burning city, but I will do none of that, because if you pretend that you have any clue about what is Bosnia and what is Balkans, you will already have known this.
To summarize: one should not make a mistake of trying to understand the behavior by assuming existence of human forms of logic and reasoning, when dealing with a sub-human entity. To spell it out: It is an exercise in futility to try and reason about actions or decisions of a sub-human monster masquerading under the guise of serbian nationalism.

by: milos from: sydney
August 23, 2011 03:01
So that's the answer... Serbs are sub-human... wow!!! You should write a paper on this, you might have found a new species...
Your logic reins that the Serbs committed the atrocities in order to keep Bosnia and Croatia part of Yugoslavia... That's simplet not true. The Serbs (and i'm talking about the local Serbs of Croatia & Bosnia) did not want to be subjected to the same terrors their fathers and mothers sufford in WW2. It's funny how no one EVER mentions the atrocities committed against the Serbs by the tolerant and loving Croats and Muslims in WW2. But quiet simply this is why the Serbs of Croatia and Bosnia did not want to be part of an Independant Croatia and Bosnia, because the last time they were, they were slaughtered just linke the Jews of Germany...Eventually, autonomy or right to self determination was what the Serbs wanted, but the Croatian and Muslim governments did not allow this. Hence, the war...
It's also funny how the Serbs of Bosnia actually made up more than 50% of the population before WW2, and about 40-45% after... gee, I wonder what happened to them all???
And as to Macedonia and Montenegro's independance, why they wanted to leave is irrelevant. But what is rellevant is that both countries accepted their local Serb populations and made allowances for them. Hence no problems arrose with Yugoslavia. The problem with Croatia & Bosnia is that these two governments DID NOT treat the local Serbs as equals.

by: Dr. B. S. from: US
August 23, 2011 16:42
These following 3 comments should be helpful when trying to understand Serbian behavior.

1. If one doesn't know any better it would appear that Serb collective psyche suffers from mass delusions. This is not the case - see point #2.
2. pathological lying, no matter how extensive and/ or compulsive does not change reality. For reality associated with consequences of Serbian nationalism - see point #3.
3. there is not enough soap in the world to wash the face of Serbian nationalism for the historic attrocities committed, and the ideology it propagates. The solution for this problem could be one of the following. One, recognize and own up to the history of crime and sub-humanity so you can start to heal, two, carry a bag over the head when facing world/humanity and history, or three - continue with the point 2 - pathological lying.

Most think that Balkans is a very complicated problem, with no clear solution. I will argue it is actually relatively simple when you peel of the layers of fluff and deception. I have just summarized it in 3 simple points.

And as a comment to Milos'es of the world - there is still hope that you may heel - humanity is achievable but it must start with you - think abut the 3 points above.

by: Milos from: Sydney
August 24, 2011 03:00
Dr B.S, seeing that you are from the U.S is significant in your reponses. You have taken the line that 'you are right, and I (and I mean every Serb) am wrong & subsequently guilty, inhumane, sub-human'. Sounds very familar to Bush's 'you are either with us, or you are with the terrorists'. Now considering USA went to war in Iraq because they had weapons of mass destruction, which was later shown to be a total lie, I have the same thoughts about you. You are the one who is delusional.

Its funny how you haven't actually disproved what I have stated. You have chosen to ignore the underlying feeling of many a local Serb that they were in fear of being slaughtered again as their fathers and mothers were in WW2. Rightly or wrongly, the crimes that some Serbs (and by now means all) committed in the 90's cannot be viewed without understanding the underlying feeling that had been festering over decades. Did some Serbs committ horendoues crimes against the Croats and Muslims, absolutley. Did the reverse occur, 100% YES. Did Serbian criminals, hooligans come from Serbia proper and form paramilitary groups who committed most of the crimes, yes. Did foreigh Croat, Mujuhadeen, Albanian criminals do the same, YES. Don't go on repeating the same line of 'Serbs guilty, innocent Muslims, victims' because we both know thats not the case.

More Muslims were killed in the war - is a fact. Did the innocent victims deserve to die - no. Did the men at Srebrenica deserve to die? The guilty ones did. The guilty ones who fought for Oric, who would go out of the 'safe zone' (which was suppose to be demilitarized) and terrorise the surrounding Serbian villages. Kill on religous holidays. Kill innocent women and children. They would even kill their own, rape their own women. And why, because they were criminals. When the Bosnian Serb army drew closer to the 'safe haven', Oric and his men fled. Why did they not fight? Why did Mladic need to enter the town if it was demilitarized? Could it be that he wanted to stop the killing of innocent Serb victims? Why did Mladic send off the women and children on buses to Tuzla? There was no Genocide order for Srebrenica. If there was, all the Muslims - women and children - would have been killed.Could it be that he was after the strong military presence that were in Srebrencia at the time? That he was after Oric and his men? Well he found some of them, but so did the Serb Paramilitaries, who took their own revenge. Rightly or wrongly, they took revenge.

So please DR B.S (stands for Bull Sh*t perhaps? Spare me your psycho analysis, read up on what actually happened and why, and forget your mum and dad's tales...


by: Steven from: Manhattan, NY
August 24, 2011 04:14
Bosnia should support Palestine, in fact we are the only ones who know what its like, when your blocked from the world. Israel is a nation of evil, its jewish right wing nationalists are evil, the jewish people them self are not, not all are.. Its the gov't of Israel. Now we got idiots in Republika srpska like dodik saying he will block any recognition of Palestine, during israles visit in Bosnia they didnt not even consider to stop by in Sarajevo a bad part by them. It will haunt them. As for war that happened in 1992 i blame nationalist serbs and the west, not all serbs are bad or committed murder. Dodik is a joke, while Bosnian serbs in RS are suffering, no jobs, no money.. he keeps turing his attention outside by covering up the real issues with none issues like how Bosniaks are trying to take over RS haahahah..
Bosnia must recognize Palestine. i dont give a dame about israel, no sympathy for a evil nation.
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by: Daniel Giljen from: USA
August 27, 2011 01:53
Bosnian Muslims by converting to Islam betrayed their faith and
Sided with enemy Turks. Since day one never missed opportunity
to backstabed Serbs. Each and every time we were on opposite side.
During Turkish rule Bosnian Muslims committed countless crimes against
Serbs and other Balkan Christians at that time they had upper hand.
In 1941 Muslims sided with Nazis and had largest division in German army
(22.000) soldiers. See book Rise and fall of Third Reich. This division was sent to
Russia very poor military performance, but great savagery against civilians. This is all
Well documented.So Muslims were on loosing side in all wars in last 300 years
Including 1991.When Yugoslavia start falling apart Serbs didn’t want replay of 1941,
So they were much better prepared. As for Muslims being victims they had full support of
Iran, Turkey Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and NATO pact.Im not Jew but see what Jews
Contributed to humanity and what over 1 billion Muslims did. Unless you think that
Blowing up busses to get 72 virgins is great achievement.
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by: Abdulmajid
August 31, 2011 17:18
Utterly disgusting what you say. You prove yourself as completely inhuman and xenophobic.

by: Bob from: Sydney
September 01, 2011 07:32
Lol.. At milos .. Are u seriously that stupid .. Serbians .. Pre-planned the war in bosnia. 10 years before the actual war.. Because theu new bosnia would eventualy declare independence from yugoslavia after all bosnia was an in dependent country even before yuogoslavia.. The serbs hid countless amounts of amunition in the mountains??? Stop ur stupid accusations how else did all that... Ammunition appear in sarajevo.., ova night in the mountains ... It would have been impoosible for them to breach borders and enter bosnoa over night.. Ur stupid . It was all pre planned and hang ur serbian face down in shame . Because at the end of the day no body likes serbians and its a fact.. U live in sydney u should no this by now...
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