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Russian Foreign Ministry Statement On Donetsk Death Defies Reality

Pro-Russian supporters clash with pro-Ukrainian activists during a rally in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk on March 13.
Pro-Russian supporters clash with pro-Ukrainian activists during a rally in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk on March 13.
On March 13  at least one pro-Ukraine protester was killed and others were injured during violent clashes between pro-Moscow and pro-Kyiv demonstrators in Donetsk. 

Horrifying video shot by Vice News in the eastern Ukrainian city, shows an angry pro-Russian crowd shouting "On your knees!" as they try to break through a police cordon protecting a small group of Ukrainian demonstrators huddled in the middle. 

They eventually break through and attack.

From its official statement, this is how the Russian Foreign Ministry saw the event:

"Armed right-wing radical groups [Ed. Note: Pro-Ukrainian protesters] attacked peaceful demonstrators [Ed. Note: Pro-Russian demonstrators], who wanted to express their attitude towards the destructive position of people who named themselves as the Ukrainian authorities. As a result of the clashes, one person died and many people were injured.” 

WATCH: Pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian activists clash in Donetsk

On the Unspun blog we make every effort to be fair, without presenting false equivalencies.

The Russian Foreign Ministry statement does not appear to have any basis in reality.

But it may have a different goal: provide a pretext for a Russian incursion into eastern Ukraine.

Indeed, perhaps more ominous than the Foreign Ministry's denial of the reality on the ground is the warning that "Russia realizes responsibility for compatriots’ lives in Ukraine and reserves the right to protect these people."

-- Glenn Kates
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by: Eugenio from: Vienna
March 14, 2014 15:55
Guys, if there is anything that "defies reality" it is your level of intelligence :-)). It's pretty obvious even to George W Bush by now that Russia has chosen the strategy of escalating the situation on the East of Ukraine with the purpose of creating the mood that would then justify the sending of Russian troops to such cities as Lugansk, Donetsk and Kharkov - to protect the population from the chaos that Ukraine finds itself in (and to annex them in one way or the other). And the latest statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry makes that crystally clear.
But again: it was OBVIOUS to anyone who knows a little bit about this region BACK IN NOVEMBER and December last year already that RUSSIA was the one who was set to benefit from the desintegration of the Ukrainian state structures, and no one else.
So, you should have thought about the consequences of your own actions as you were supporting your "peaceful" friends from the Maidan when they were so systematicall destroying the Ukrainian state structures 2-3 months ago.
And what can you do in this situation now? As usual, NOTHING: just stading by, watching the Russian Army take over one Ukrainian region after another and write your insightful "articles" :-)).
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by: Jason from: USA
March 14, 2014 21:52
We'll see who laughs last, "Eugenio" from "Vienna," when Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine have all joined NATO and allow us to complete our encirclement of your fascist, mafia state with our nuclear cruise missiles; your economy is in ruins from the economic isolation we've imposed on you; and our intelligence services are busily arming every non-Russian ethnic opposition group in your sorry "empire. Enjoy the future that's coming for you, Ivan. Oh - excuse me - "Eugenio."
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by: Anonymous
March 14, 2014 23:13
so russia will be fighting with NATO
no problem
russian aren't pussy

I am european but i am with russia

only russia can free as from this situation of oppression by Eu US NATO

I hope putin
bomb everibody and destroy all Euro ipocrit .

For me Ukraina is nothing
i stay 3000 km far from them
and i am not interested on they
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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
March 15, 2014 09:02
HELL WITH NAZI RUSSIA!
If violence is mostly larger Russian crowd, why the British
commentator on Georgian news Forum say:
"Recent Ukrainian violence"?
Who was killed?
Ukrainian!
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Just like in Moldova, Estonia, Ukraine and other occupied
by Russia countries in the past - they were murdering and
screaming "on your knees", killing even children.
Eugenio was probably one of those Russians than were
beating and knifing non-Russians and braking heads of old
Jews with boulders...
I was a victim of many assassination attempts in Kishinev,
since age 5 in 1947 through 1980, when I left USSR,
but I didn't kneel - I survived simply because they were
trying to plagiarize my ideas for their mean breed.
They continuing the same in USA, killing me and my mother
and using lies too employees of USA agencies too.
They murdered my mother 7/7/2012...
______________________________________________
Russian crowd is better dressed, sucking Ukrainian blood
and stealing to breed Russian race of murderous parasites!
Are British helping Russia lie and expand, like in Abkhazia?
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Jason, you are wrong, giving excuse to Russia and their old
and new partners in imperial resurrection, Brits, Germans
and Austrians, trying turn the stand for freedom of Ukrainian
people into spy-game of East and West.
Russia would wish so, they have hired since 1947 Russian spies and WW2 pro-Nazi veterans, pretending be Western
spies among non-Russian nations!
Non-Russian people very patient, but if Russia wouldn't
repent, return everything and pay for its crimes in just court -
as we created Russia, since Peter, nephew of Georgian King,
through Stalin and Parliament of CIS nations - we can help
any other world power make a giant step into future, so that
Russia would became third world country and "kneel" itself.
Problem is Western governments and spy agencies.
If even we would want change balance of powers in the World,
for USA it is already late - controlled by Russians, installed
by British, Austrians and Germans here...
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by: Eugenio from: Vienna
March 15, 2014 10:31
Jason, you must be kidding me too: taking "Moldova" and "Ukraine" into NATO :-)). See, you, guys, just wanted to carry out a coup d'état in Kiew and the reaction of Russia was immediate: the annexation of Crimea. Should any further provocation from the US-side follow, the reaction of Russia will be just as decisive: militarily occupation of the Kharkov, Lugansk and Donetsk regions in Eastern Ukraine on so on. So, I don't want to disappoint you, Jason, but the only ones in Washington DC who will seriously support the idea of incorporating this "state" into NATO will be the usual war-mongering losers, such as Sen. McCain.
MOLDOVA is simply a failed state. The Eastern part of it has already split away, making the Gagauzia region break away is a matter of 2-3 days for the Russian govt.
GEORGIA is too dangerous for you, guys, to try to get into: Mischa has demonstrated to the entire world that Georgia may too easily become that tail that wants to wag the dog by starting an all-out war with Russia with the intention of dragging the bankrupt US into it. So, again, other than losers like McCain no one in Washington will support the idea of incorporating Georgia into NATO.
Cheers from Vienna, Jason from the US! And yes, let's not forget that the "days of Baschar al-Assad are numbered and he knows it" :-))
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by: Jason from: USA
March 15, 2014 15:46
Thank you, Anonymous, for your eloquent statement of Russia's core principles. President Putin couldn't have said it any better.
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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
March 16, 2014 01:16
The moment I tried reason down Jason, for a good reason,
Eugenio added his mean Russian kick - "serpom po yaytcam".
The same Russian lies!
The meanest breed of Varaga-Prussaka, tyrants of Russia,
in all their true nature.
I said a word against spy-game on Ukrainian right to live,
Eugenio using it as Russia spy game for Ukraine to die!
He turn it to ultimatum against defenders of Ukrainian rights,
old Russian dogma, but accusing the victim of Russian arrogance as Ukraine is a NATO threat to Russia.
Not NATO, but Russian bestial macaques breeding-out!
From Suhumi through Tchinvali...
From Crimea through Donetsk...
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The "coup d'état", as he call it was done by Russia in Kiev again and again, specially when Yanukovich grabbed power to ruin totally Ukraine and make Ukrainians slaves of Russia.
It is his mafia of Russian infiltrators and former occupiers that
was beating and knifing Ukrainians in Donetsk, once heart
of Ukrainians and now taken over by the evil Russians.
It is they, Russian mafia of Yanukovich and Putin screamed
at Ukrainians:
"Kneel Ukrainian slaves!"
"Kneel Ukrainian slaves!"
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It is how Yanukovich took over by "coup d'état" in a first place and purged Ukrainian leaders to prisons or persecution!
Ultimatum of "Custom Union" only with Russia meant to seal
the enslavement and repopulation of Ukraine.
It is why they protested and Russia, stealing trillions from Ukraine during USSR alone, got mad from hate and answered
with sniper's bullets.
Eugenio is lying!
He also threaten in name of Russia to conquer and to kill CIS
nations to breed Russians.
As he threatened me and got my mother murdered 7/7/2012.
From Vienna?
Is it he forged with Helena movie about Russian cop, Shvarzenegger, and a Georgian criminal, lying that Georgians were deserters and "Brigants" during WW2, while out of 3 millions 600,000 were in the war and more than 200,000
where killed in in war?
What his Russia promised to Austrians?
Most of Eastern Europe and parts of Ukraine?
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by: Timo from: Prague
March 15, 2014 00:16
Eugenio, if you believe the reporting of RFE/RL is so false and out of touch, why do you keep on following it? Do you get paid for your comments?
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by: keengkong from: USA
March 15, 2014 10:55
Americans have heard warnings about Russian dominance for a long time, including Khruschev's promise to bury America economically. Yet it was Russia that buried itself by pursuing Communist economic policies. Finally, it changed from Communism to crony capitalism, where those closest to Putin make the most money. Americans wish Russia well. The sooner Russia starts demanding accountability from its leaders, the better things will be for everyone. Dominating other countries will backfire; remember the Russian invasion of Afghanistan? The part about Ukraine that terrifies Putin is that the people rose against a tyrant. That causes fear in a person like Putin. If they are willing to do so in Ukraine, will they try to do the same in Russia? You can expect that political repression in Russia will increase. I am of Russian ancestry myself. I truly wish Russia well. It's time to say goodbye to Putin. While he promises the past glory of the Soviet Union, he ignores that reality that things in the Soviet Union were never very good. The people of Russia ought to demand something better than their past or present.
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by: Eugenio from: Vienna
March 15, 2014 13:22
"Demanding accountability from its leaders" :-)). Yes, King-Kong, please do ask George W Bush why he dragged you into the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that you lost and that made you so bankrupt that now the US has to cut its military to the levels similar to those before 1940. Ask him that, hold him accountable for all the damage that you suffered because of his policies!
The people of the world wish you, Beavuses, well, but as long as you prefer to meddle into other people affairs instead of trying to figure out how to save such disgusting US-cloakas as Detroit from bankruptcy, no one will be able to do anything for you, guys, and you will continue losing.
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by: Jason from: USA
March 15, 2014 14:26
Exactly right, keengkong. "Eugenio" is either sadly deluded or - more likely - on the siloviki's payroll.

by: Eugenio from: Vienna
March 14, 2014 21:27
By the way, guys, talking about Ukraine and the European Union: The French Le Figaro has just published results of a recent opinion poll carried out in Germany and France on the perspective of a would-be Ukrainian EU membership. So, according to this poll 64 % of the French and 57 % of the Germans are OPPOSED to any perspective of Ukraine joining the EU. Those are actually indicators similar to those of the possibility of Turkey becoming an EU member.
Source: http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2014/03/14/01003-20140314ARTFIG00358-francais-et-allemands-hostiles-a-l-entree-de-l-ukraine-dans-l-ue.php
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by: Jason from: USA
March 15, 2014 00:15
EU accession for Ukraine isn't important. Membership in NATO and complete cleanup of the Russian-style corrupt mafia governance - in accordance with West European and North American standards -is.
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by: Eugenio from: Vienna
March 15, 2014 13:29
EU accession is not important for Ukraine???!!! Please inform the "peaceful" guys from Maidan about it, it would be interesting to see their reaction :-)).

by: harry from: Britain
March 14, 2014 21:46
"Armed right-wing radical groups [Ed. Note: Pro-Ukrainian protesters]..."

Ed can try to spin it away, but the reality is the Russian foreign ministry is correct: http://mashable.com/2014/03/14/ukraine-donetsk-two-dead/

According to Ihor Slavhorodsky, head of the Donetsk regional branch of the Svoboda party, Cherniavsky was the organization's activist and spokesman.
“Svoboda member Dmytro Cherniavsky is among those who died in Donetsk today,” Slavhorodsky wrote on his Facebook page.

Ed is spinning the story to try to gloss over the political affiliations of these 'pro-Ukrainians'.

Anyone organising pro-Ukrainian and pro-Russian protests in the same square in Donetsk wanted trouble. The fascist group from Svoboda turned up to act as muscle while the pro-Ukrainians waved their flag in the face of the Russian people there.

Support for the coup regime in Kiev entails supporting a coalition that includes fascists like Svoboda and the 'Right Sector'.
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by: Jason from: USA
March 14, 2014 23:34
Excuse me, "Harry" in "Britain," but aren't you overlooking the fact that, while Ukraine may have given some interim government seats to far-rightists, for all intents and purposes the entire Russian state is fascist from top to bottom? Don't believe me? Take a look at Lawrence Brill's list of the attributes of a fascism (http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm) and tell me I'm wrong. The truth is, Putin has made the two-faced eagle as much of a symbol of fascism as the swastika.

And with regard to what happened in Donetsk: did you watch the videos? Those pro-Ukraine kids being assaulted and humiliated by the pro-Russian thugs were obviously unarmed students, not Svobada or Right Sector cadres. If Pravy Sector had been there, my guess is that you'd have seen them stomp the pro-Russian traitors into the pavement - where they belong. And since the Russian media are going to lie about in anyway, perhaps they should have been.
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by: harry from: Britain
March 15, 2014 21:56
I'm sorry you're immune to the facts of the matter, but the 'reality based community' still have to deal with them:

According to Ihor Slavhorodsky, head of the Donetsk regional branch of the Svoboda party, Cherniavsky was the organization's activist and spokesman.

You can call them 'Pro-Ukrainian protesters' like the Ed here at rferl.com. Or even 'pro-Ukraine kids' and believe they were 'students' if you like.

I'm just pointing out the local Svoboda party leader said the man killed was a party activist and spokesman. He came with a group of fascists to the rally.

According to some reports that rally included shouting fascist slogans and announcing the formation of 'a self-defence group to assist the police'.

http://iwpr.net/report-news/eastern-ukraine-two-deaths-reported-donetsk-clashes?

That may be why the fascist group in particular were attacked while the police tried evacuate them on buses and he was killed.

You can swallow all the 'secularhumanism' you like, but it's NATO and the EU backing a Kiev regime that embraces fascists who led the vanguard to put it in place.
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by: Jason from: USA
March 17, 2014 14:36
Harry, it is obvious you are the one who is reality-challenged. I notice you did not address any of characteristics of fascism in the link I posted; no doubt because they accurately describe the mafia thug state you're defending. In your delusional, pro-Putin world, white is black, up is down, and wrong is right. I'm glad I don't live there. Just like I'm glad I don't live in your beloved fascist state of Russia.
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by: harry from: Britain
March 18, 2014 16:07
Jason, I'm be more interested in the fascists in the streets in Kiev than those theorised in whatever text book suits your indoctrination. I'm interested in those active in Donetsk at this clash of rallies, a Svoboda activist. Or the Right Sector activists that shot and killed 2 Russians in Kharkiv last week. Or the Svoboda ministers and Right Sector activists who became the vanguard of Maidan activists who are now being organised into a 'national guard' under fascist ministers and chiefs in Kiev.

The RFE/RL editor glossed over the political affiliations of those rallying in Donetsk as 'pro-Ukrainian', ignoring the basis for the Russian foreign ministry's description of 'Armed right-wing radical groups", claiming it "Defies Reality".

It's actually RFE/RL denying the reality. I've linked the report showing among those rallying in Donetsk there were armed fascists. That faction were attacked for their political affiliation and one of them killed, but it's the RFE/RL account of it here that defies reality.

by: Jack from: US
March 15, 2014 01:52
Washington mafia wants to rob Ukrainians of the last load of bread and of their last slice of "salo"
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by: David from: Amsterdam
March 15, 2014 14:16
I see Russian cyber propaganda is alive and well. 'Jack' and 'Harry' ..lol, be a little more creative man.
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by: Jason from: USA
March 15, 2014 14:37
Actually, "Jack from US," anyone who's not insane knows that looting the people of Ukraine was Yanukovych's primary agenda - and he did a pretty good job of it. That's why the fascist crooks in Moscow are so freaked out right now: the idea of having to deal with a non-kleptocratic government terrifies them.

by: Georgi
March 16, 2014 05:07
You 'accidentaly miss' the murder of 2 people in Kharkiv by armed fasiscts
So contrary to the usual case for usa(using a phony pretext to invade some country it does not even share common borders) Russia DOES have a pretext. It is an emergency to save Russians,Russian-speaking people and the democrats of Donbas and South Ukraine against the baderovtsy of galicia

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