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EU Warns Serbia's Nikolic Against 'Rewriting' History

Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic is scheduled to visit Brussels on June 14.Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic is scheduled to visit Brussels on June 14.
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Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic is scheduled to visit Brussels on June 14.
Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic is scheduled to visit Brussels on June 14.
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The European Union has warned the recently elected authorities in Serbia that it will not tolerate attempts to negate the genocide of Muslims at Srebrenica.

Some 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys were killed by Bosnian Serb forces in 1995 in Srebrenica during the Bosnia conflict.

Serbia's new president, Tomislav Nikolic, on June 1 said that the Srebrenica massacre was not genocide. 

European Commission spokeswoman Pia Ahrenkilde said on June 4 that "the European Union strongly rejects any intention to rewrite history."

She stressed the act of genocide had been confirmed by both the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) and the International Court of Justice.

Nikolic, a former hard-line nationalist, was sworn in as Serbia's president last week.

He is scheduled to visit Brussels on June 14.

Based on reporting by AFP and dpa
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by: Eugenio from: Vienna
June 04, 2012 14:09
Forget about history. When a new coalition led by the party of Nikolic together witht the Socialists and Konstunica is put in place in SERBIA and when the people of GREECE on June 17th will have elected a new parliament dominated by the Syriza party - the peoples of these two countries will once again start rewring the Balkan geopolitics.
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by: iko from: vrelo bosne
June 05, 2012 10:56
Forget about history? You just resurrected fascism.
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by: Eugenio from: Vienna
June 05, 2012 16:43
No, Iko, I definitely did you mean you personally when I said "forget about history": you may continue being stuck in history; you, guys from Vrelo Bosne, have no future anyways :-))).
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by: iko from: vrelo bosne
June 06, 2012 12:44
Fascism is born of ignorance mixed with arrogance - you appear a ripe candidate- we are all stuck in history- the question is how do you want to contribute to the historical narrative?- you seem to be content with repeating the mistakes of the past- we all have a future either to be lived or remembered in its absence.
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by: Eugenio from: Vienna
June 17, 2012 17:57
See, everyone? I was correct. The new parliament is dominated by Syriza.

by: Jack from: US
June 04, 2012 15:10
translation: EU warns Serbia not to speak out the truth about murders and killings of Christians by NATO-supported Muslim mobs, and to keep the official line that Muslims were the "victims" and Serbs were the crux of evil
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by: Phillip
June 05, 2012 16:16
That's happening because Washington It Is Ruled by sectists such as Iluminatis, Zionists, and Dollar-slaves. All of those people Dont Care about Christianism... but about dollar and luxury, as well as power. If they sometimes say their are christians, it's just for convenience...
That's why they didn't care to attack serbians, and divide their lands... that's why they don't care about supporting rebels in Libya and Siria... they don't care about Post-Mubarak Egypt, and the advent of Muslim Brotherhood there. They just care their Famous Interests (as stated by a british long before). Oh yeah, one day, they can sell you to gods, or demons.

Today, they can favour South Sudan, but in the other hand they can sell them to Turkey... even if they are getting more islamocentrist than ever.

US can use this slogan: ''In Dollar We Trust''............

by: DEDA CVETKO from: NUEVA YORK
June 05, 2012 03:55
What "historical truth"? The truth that Bosnian Moslems enthusiastically espoused Hitler and cheerfully participated in the holocaust by committing wholesale slaughter of Serbs and Jews in Bosnia? (the atrocity they committed between 1941 and 1945 make Srebrenica look like a vacation in Disneyland).

Or the truth that the Moslem "president" of Bosnia advocated total war against "infidels" (read: Christians and Jews) decades BEFORE the first shot was even fired in Bosnia?

Or the fact that Bosnian Moslems started the hostilities by killing the entire Serbian wedding party in Sarajevo?

Or the fact that Bosnian moslems invited (and paid, and granted citizenship) to thousands of Al-Qaeda Mujahedeens from Saudi peninsula - Osama Bin Ladin and his entourage INCLUDED - whose sole purpose of presence in Bosnia was to "kill infidels", such as Christians?.

Or the historical truth that, before Srebrenica even took place, hundreds (possibly as many as 1,500) Serbs were slaughtered in the villages nearby in order to make room for the Islamic enclave in Srebrenica?

Or the fact that International Court of Justice in Hague ABSOLVED in 2007 Serbia of blame in planning, committing, colluding or being accomplice in Srebrenica massacre?

Or the fact that the Bosnian moslems ended up being the net-gainers of the territory in Bosnia (controlled less than 30% before the war, now control in excess of 40%) and that Serbs actually lost territory they held for millennia? .

If we are going to talk historical TRUTH, let's! By all means, be Serbian guests! There's a LOT to talk about.
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by: Darko from: London
June 05, 2012 05:16
No, no, mister. They are talking about the savagery and murderous actions of the Serbs in Srebrenica. This is the truth.
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by: Frank
June 05, 2012 13:00
Darko, the truth is that Croats and Muslims also murdered to a noticeable degree.

What happened at Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki isn't considered a genocide.

At Srebrenica, there's no clear proof and reason to doubt that a figure near or greater than 7,000 Muslim males were rounded up and summarily executed. Casualties included non-Muslims and Muslims who died as a rsult of collateral damage, being armed combatants and summary execution - the latter being a war crime which should be earnestly (not propagandistically) prosecuted.

BTW, The pro-Izetbegovic force considered men ages 16 to 60 to be worthy of service in their army.

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by: Michael from: Melbourne
June 05, 2012 08:12
The Serbs keep on denying all atrocities committed by them throughout history , it was the Serbs who lost support from Churchill because of their collaboration with the Nazis and the crimes committed against non Serbs.
The recent wars in the 90s were all started by Serbs . Firstly attacking Slovenia, then Croatia were many cities were bombed , Vukovar !Dubrovnik etc. Then Bosnia and genocide committed there followed by Kosovo
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by: Eugenio from: Vienna
June 05, 2012 08:43
Michael, who cares about the "atrocities committed in... the recent wars in the 90s"? Those will look like nothing when compared to those that will be committed in the coming wars that will be started once the Balkan state GREECE will have defaulted on its sovereign debt a few months from now, leading to the disentegration of the EU and NATO - and therewith opening the way for a struggle to establish a new geostrategic equilibrium in the entire Balkan peninsula.
And the expulstion of the bankrupt pro-NATO/US/German oligarchy led by Tadic in SERBIA has of course been only the first step in this struggle. And you, guys, are a on the losing side on this front as well.
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by: Tara from: Perth
June 05, 2012 09:44
They will continue to deny it as long as they are subjected to these double standards. The media of the west has painted a pretty picture, and now Serbia is known for its genocide and war criminals. However, don't you dare accuse Croatia or Bosnian Muslims of committing genocide against anyone else, because that just doesn't count - the thousands of people they killed due to their ethnic background doesn't qualify them for genocide? It's this treatment that infuriates the Serbian people, and until someone stands up and says 'you were not the only ones, we all committed wrong', and the entire region is fair, Serbs will continue being stubborn because that is the way they are.
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by: Frank
June 05, 2012 13:03
Michael, the Brits betrayed the pro-Western forces of Draza Mihailovic who aren't on par with the pro-Nazi Croat Ustasha goons.

A number of Poles were to feel this way about the Brits as well.

Your repeat lies about Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. In these situations, there's plenty of fault to be found among nationalist non-Serbs.
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by: iko from: vrelo bosne
June 05, 2012 11:02
Time to wean yourself from the tit of ignorance sonny boy. Beware of libraries that contain only one book particularly when it's a graphic novel with Cryllic captions.
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by: iko from: vrelo bosne
June 05, 2012 11:29
Tara- eh? Bosnian Moslems committed genocide? Check the figures idc.org.ba a summary found at http://greatersurbiton.wordpress.com/2008/01/04/what-do-the-figures-for-the-bosnian-war-dead-tell-us:
Read the UNHCR reports, read Tabeau and Bijak;s conservative estimates- Serbs are infuriated because they are dragged into the same company as the devils in their midst who have publicly shouted too loudly and lustily of their deeds.
There were wrongs committed on all sides of the conflict but Tara you are kidding yourself if you believe that there was some sort of parity in these doings. Wrong. Sadly very wrong.
For the whole of the conflict 83.33% civilian deaths were Moslems ( 33,070 Moslems, 4,075 Serb civilians - a quarter of whom were killed in the Serb siege of Sarajevo-and 2,163 Croat civilians with 376 of other nationalities.) Overall 51.64% of the Moslem dead were civilians compared to 22.77% Croats and 16.36% Serb civilian deaths. Of those Bos Moslem civilian deaths the majority happened in the first 9 months of the conflict when the Drina ran blood red.
I note you live in Australia- a multicultural country with laws preventing racial vilification and protecting equal opportunities. Such is still the dream of most Bosnians. Such is still anathema to the power brokers in RS.
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by: Frank
June 06, 2012 12:10
Civilian deaths don't etermine which side is he more virtuous in war.

During WW II, civilian deaths among Germans and Japanese was greater than that of America's.

Regarding Bosnia, the use of "genocide" in Bosnia is propaganditsic hyperbole.

by: Boz from: Auatralia
June 05, 2012 08:12
Its obvious that the only ones who are allowed to change history is the EU and the USA. Again, never let a good lie get in the way of the truth.

by: American Troll
June 05, 2012 11:16
As much as we sympathize with folks in the Balkans for their long and tragic histories, the region is geopolitical necrotic tissue and must be cut free before infecting the West even further. Treating countries like Greece and Serbia as fundamentally "Western" is a Cold War relic, and admitting Greece into both NATO and the EU was a sentimental and short-sighted symptom of that mindset. Their voters have spoken, and the Greek "left" agrees with the neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party, while Serbia's lingering denial of Srebrenica counts as progress. These are not liberal Western societies and never will be in the lifetimes of anyone alive today.

Their true brethren are in Moscow, Kiev and Minsk, and they should be allowed to drift in that direction. This new "Fourth Reich" bloc is defined by several pervasive common traits: unapologetic corruption and authoritarianism, toxic ethnic and sectarian tribalism, the bizarre cult of Slavic and/or Orthodox particularism, twinned Antisemitism and Islamophobia, complete subordination of individuality to hive-thought, an ironically homoerotic love of all things macho, and hopeless demographic free-fall. The proper Western response to the Fourth Reich is not confrontation because the effort is not worth the reward of saving these societies from themselves. They will no longer exist in anything resembling their current form by mid-century unless they abruptly lay off the substance abuse and resume having babies.

Instead of military analogies ("a new Cold War"), the appropriate Western reaction to the Fourth Reich is radically different: hospice care. Keep the patient comfortable, avoid upsetting him (that would be you, Mr. Saakashvili), and disregard any long-term self-destructive behavior if it makes him happy here and now. While China and the West endure the relative headcolds of our debt and trade deficit issues, the Fourth Reich grapples with end-stage cancer in the form of total cultural, political, economic, and demographic rot from within. Russia, once a scientific and technological giant to be envied, is now a fuel depot. Meanwhile the developed world finds alternative sources for petrochemicals seemingly everywhere and invests in alternative energies for a long-term future which few Russians need worry about.

And if majorities in Greece, Serbia, and even Russia want ethnically homogenous mono-states, who are we to contest their democratic will? All the West can do is leave the door open for the self-chosen exceptions as we did during the Cold War. They will not be many, they will not be missed, they will be welcome and productive here, and their lives are at literal risk in their homelands. We at least travel to the far ends of the earth to bomb and torture foreigners; the Fourth Reich enjoys such excesses with their own people (if they will pardon the grave offense of inferring that Roma, Albanians, Chechens, Dagestanis, etc. are "their own people"). Let Greece leave and abandon sentimental fantasies of Serbia or any other Balkan tribe becoming "Western" in any meaningful sense. The Fourth Reich states flunk the most basic criterion for becoming Western: they do not want to be Western and, in fact, despise the West. Their wishes should be respected.
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by: Best Western
June 05, 2012 23:38
finally someone on these forums who says as it is!

No orthodox country should ever have been invited to join the EU; not Greece and definately not Serbia. Not even Romania, Bulgaria or Cyprus. They are not western in any meaningful way.
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by: iko from: vrelo bosne
June 06, 2012 11:33
@american troll- although I've found your comments in the past re the Bosnian conflict to be unsubstantiated and inflammatory your somewhat wordy critique of the suitably termed '4th Reich' is sadly apt.
Hopefully the slowly swelling ranks of the opposition to the nationalists from the left and right do counter the juggernaut's momentum towards essentially nouveau fascism.
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by: Dwight99 from: Harrington, Del.
June 06, 2012 12:02
A few corrections to the numerous distortions by American Troll:
1)The Fourth Reich is Nato and the EU, led overtly by the US, covertly by Germany. The process of breaking up nation states into ethnic and religious segments is pure Nazi, originating outside, not from within the former Yugoslavia. Germany, along with the Catholic Church, did this to great effect before and during WW2. The Croats' brand of Nazism shocked eevn the SS. The Bosnians did field The Hanjar division for the Waffen SS. The Serbs protected Jews and saved many American flyers. These facts can't protect anyone from more present sins but it appears that 'genocide' has been practiced by ALL parties in the Balkans.
2)The 'self-chosen exceptions' who fled Sovietization included some of the worst war criminals and human trash the world has seen, who ensconced themselves in American business, politics and intelligence.
3) What you call 'Orthodox/Slaxic particularism' is more accurately simple survivalism - a reaction to a sustained attack on the Serbian/Orthodox identity by the West. Anyone who listened past fourth grade understands that 'races' are not the source of attrocity. The fault is with wealth and power trying to preserve and extend itself, which is a good working definition of the Third Reich.

Re Britain's betrayal of most resistance groups at war's end: Serbians should not feel exceptional. Britain and the US betrayed every and any anti-fascist fighter everywhere in Europe. Anyone with anti-communist credentials was given a quick shower, a change of clothes and put back into power. (see Greece, Italy, etc.)
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by: Best Western
June 06, 2012 23:52
And a correction to one of your distortions Dwight99:

Yugoslavia was never a "nation-state". Yugoslavia was never anything other than a patchwork of nations in one state. It was no more a "nation state" than the Russian and Austro-Hungarian empires were nation-states.
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by: Dwight99 from: US
June 08, 2012 13:29
Legally it was. Culturally, linguistically and religiously it was diverse. I fail to see how the fact that it was vulnerable to fragmentation lessens the crimes of the outsider campaign to divide it. Nazi ideology devolves and degrades the concept and definition of a nation-state so as to exclude diversity - a definition you seem to accept. The resultant smaller ethnic and religious enclaves are easier for transnational power to control. Yugoslavia, Libya, Sudan, etc. are all textbook examples of the geopolitical paradigm being used to control us all. Those who blame specific races or cultures for their failure to embrace globalization are 'useful idiots'. The Hungarian Nazi party scapegoated Jews and Romanians. The Romanian Nazi party scapegoated Jews and Hungarians. Is anyone not getting this?

by: Paul from: London
June 05, 2012 12:20
Serbia has said sorry a thousand times. It has been bombed, embargoed, demonised, took all the blame for everything. All they ask for is a little fairness and balance.
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by: iko from: vrelo bosne
June 06, 2012 12:24
Sorry Paul- Serbia has said sorry once or rather Tadic said it once whilst simultaneously saying 'no worries RS business as usual'- in fact it was worse he said why are we (Serbs) complaining 'we have for the first time gained a new state = RS'. He and Nikolic have extended Milosevic's tactic of saying what needs to be said without meaning one word of that which was said.
The Serb government has not accepted any blame, quite the opposite- all Bosnia has asked for is 'fairness and balance' from its neighbour which has actively in the past and present sought to annexe large sections of BiH. Serbia was bombed true but it bombed into rubble Vukovar and rained 1000 shells a day for 44 months upon Sarajevo, it embargoed itself rather its proxy version ie Jugoslavia with its self imposed UN arms embargo having stockpiled thousands of tonnes of armaments fro 18 months leading to the embargo. It also demonised itself with its denial of any involvement in the terror unleashed upon its neighbours. Your observation is unfair, imbalanced and congruently naive.
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by: vn from: Belgrade
June 07, 2012 17:17
The Bosnian history discourses of events in their nouveau-made state on the ashes of former Yugoslavia, with Muslim flavored Sarajevo and Jihad-proud population clumsily led by excrepts from Koran with lavish depictions of 1001 shells (probably to remind us about stories from the Arabian 1001 nights and rapes committed by women in those), persistently fail to emphasize the chief in-house authors of devious destruction of Yugoslavia - the Slovenian leadership, the Muslim Alija Izetbegovic and the Croatians: Franjo Tudjman and Stipe Mesic. All you're mentioning are the challenged ones, those who wanted to keep Yugoslavia and Serbia in one piece. Why would that be so? The EU/US/UN Genocidal Transparency & Co., seem to be out of playing dough in the European NGOs ... So much so that even the banks are falling apart. Nonetheless, we're still watching.

by: Truth-Teller from: Canada
June 05, 2012 14:58
Wow! Look who's talking about 'rewriting history'. The EU, USA, and the whole lot of them had better take a long look in the mirror. You love rewriting, and you know it. And, much too often in recent decades, you rewrite via bombs. Don't accuse Serbia of that which you do.

by: Phillip from: Somewhere in the West
June 05, 2012 16:28
EU should understand Once For All they are not in position to dictate what they what to Anyone. EU is a bloc heading to a long crisis (everybody knows that), and they just have to focus in their troubled economies, as well as collapsing societies. Serbia has a voice, and if they dont consider what happened in Srebrenica as ''genocide'', that's OK... live with that Brussels... the rusty, old and broken empire.

Better go to Shanghai to beg for more loans xD, and Dont bother other countries with your imperialist ideas.
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by: Eugenio from: Vienna
June 06, 2012 06:08
You are making some good points there, Philip!!!
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by: French from: Roast
June 06, 2012 10:02
Stop this "Eugenio the İQless" guy.
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by: iko from: vrelo bosne
June 06, 2012 12:34
You confuse justice with prejudice. A crime is a crime and demands investigation and prosecution not a sloppy defence of 'what's the problem it's just mass murder not genocide?' Get over it?
Obviously where you live, somewhere in the west,you are comfortably isolated from the horrors you casually dismiss as 'over-reactionary'. Your largesse and refusal to see your connection to the problems of others is the problem.

by: Vakhtang from: Moscow
June 06, 2012 11:48
Of course we all understand that Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia and the decision of the U.S. and Europe to recognize Kosovo, is short-sighted and incompetent act...

Remind as well, that Georgia is in spite of the alliance agreement with the United States and Western Europe did not recognize Kosovo's independence..

So strangely enough-the promise was made by Nikolic to Mr. Putin about the possibility of considering the question of the recognize abkhaz thugs and murderers by Serbian Parliament

We hope that the Serbs Patriots do not allow to persons whom Putin bought for Russia's oil money to consider recognizing аbkhaz bandits,by the Serbian parliament.
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by: FRank
June 07, 2012 12:25
How's life in Moscow?

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