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Azerbaijani Authorities Interrogate Music Fan Over Eurovision Vote For Armenia

August 14, 2009

The offending song: Inga and Anush perform "Jan-Jan."

BAKU (RFE/RL) -- It's a simple song competition. Or is it?

The Eurovision Song Contest has long promoted itself as an event where national audiences in Europe and beyond can put politics aside and enjoy a long night of entertainment performed in the spirit of friendly competition, if not necessarily musical mastery.

But as Eurovision's reach has traveled further east, old political rivalries are muddying the contest's claim on good clean fun.

Rovshan Nasirli, a young Eurovision fan living in the Azerbaijani capital, Baku, says he was summoned this week to the country's National Security Ministry -- to explain why he had voted for Armenia during this year's competition in May.

"They wanted an explanation for why I voted for Armenia. They said it was a matter of national security,” Nasirli said. “They were trying to put psychological pressure on me, saying things like, 'You have no sense of ethnic pride. How come you voted for Armenia?' They made me write out an explanation, and then they let me go."

A total of 43 Azeris voted for the Armenian duo Inga and Anush, and their song, "Jan-Jan."

Nasirli, like others, used his mobile phone to send a text message expressing his preference, little imagining his vote would eventually result in a summons from national security officials. (By contrast, 1,065 Armenians voted for the Azerbaijani team, apparently without consequence.)

Simmering Tensions

Azerbaijan and Armenia remain locked in a protracted dispute over Nagorno-Karabakh, a predominantly ethnic-Armenian enclave located within Azerbaijani territory. Relations between the two countries are poor, even as they appear to be nearing a breakthrough on Karabakh.

The official antipathy can frequently trickle down to personal bias among ordinary Armenians and Azeris. But not always.

In the case of Eurovision, Nasirli said he preferred the Armenian entry because it sounded "more Azeri" than his country's own submission, a duet featuring Arash, a pop superstar born in Iran and based in Sweden:

"I voted for Armenia to protest the fact that Arash was representing Azerbaijan. Also, the Armenian song was closer to Azerbaijani style than Arash's song,” Nasirli said.


Azerbaijan's Eurovision entry was a duo of Azeri singer AySel and Iranian-Swedish pop star Arash.

Some Azeris cried foul when Arash was chosen to partner with a relatively young and unknown Azerbaijani singer, AySel, for the country's Eurovision entry with the song "Always."

But others saw the decision as a shrewd move that would lend star power and an international name to the Azerbaijani submission.

In the end, the gamble appeared to pay off. Azerbaijan came in third place, its highest Eurovision showing ever. Armenia's Inga and Anush came in tenth.

Many Azerbaijanis celebrated the results as a victory over Yerevan. The third-place finish, however, was apparently not enough to satisfy Azerbaijan's National Security Ministry, which summoned Nasirli to its Nasimi district office on August 12.

Nasirli, who was contacted by RFE/RL's Azerbaijani Service after posting a comment about his experience on the station's website, said he saw nothing wrong in his vote for Armenia.

"If Azerbaijani parliament members can go to Armenia, then what's wrong with voting for the Armenian song in the contest?” he asked. “I told them, 'If you don't want people to vote for Armenia, then why are you in the same contest with them?'"

'Police State'


Ministry officials were not available for comment on Nasirli's experience. But the case has set off alarm bells in Azerbaijan's rights community.

Activist Avaz Hasanov called the move "unbelievable" and warned that Azerbaijan, which has already seen a steady clampdown on civil rights under President Ilham Aliyev, was moving toward a police state.

"There are no state secrets involved here. It was an open contest. It's just people expressing their personal taste,” Hasanov said. “It's unbelievable that they are trying to keep that kind of control over people. Limiting people's choices in such an obvious manner won't do any good for the country. If all SMS and phone conversations are being screened, then this country is nothing more than a police state, with people being watched all the time."

Some see the ministry's scrutiny of the Eurovision vote as a bizarre extension of the government's preoccupation with gaining the upper hand in the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute.

Baku argues that the enclave represents a violation of its territorial integrity and that the region must eventually come under Azerbaijani control.

Shades of the 21-year-old dispute could be detected in the Eurovision contest itself. The Armenian team sparked a storm of controversy when the original video backdrop for their performance featured an image of a memorial in Nagorno-Karabakh that is deeply meaningful for Karabakh Armenians.

Russia, the 2009 Eurovision host, requested the offending image be removed. But Armenia stoked the dispute further when its 2008 contestant, Sirusho, appeared during this year's contest holding a photograph of the same monument.

Elmir Mirzoyev, a commentator on Azeri cultural issues, says some issues related to Nagorno-Karabakh undoubtedly fall within the purview of the National Security Ministry. Stoking ethnic hostilities, however, should not be one of them, he said.

"I have to know what the ultimate goal for our state is -- to restore territorial integrity, or to refuse to accept Armenians as an ethnicity? Security services are serious organizations. What is their function? To spread ethnic hatred against Armenians, or to restore our territory?” he asked.

Mirzoyev continued: “Our government has never declared that Armenians can't live in our country, or that those voting for Armenia should be summoned to the National Security Ministry."

RFE/RL's Azerbaijani Service contributed to this report.
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by: RD
August 31, 2009 02:32
Nick, in previous messages, I suggested you stop writing comments to avoid making a fool of yourself. However, I retract that suggestion. The more you write, the more you yourself make it evident to everyone how absurd your reasoning is. Whether some Armenians were members of the Russian military and fought against the Ottoman Empire or not is irrelevant. This is a convenient excuse for past and current Turkish administrations to justify their crimes against humanity. The Armenians who lived in Eastern Anatolia were citizens of the Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years and The Ottoman Empire was obliged to protect its citizens. The Ottomans should have been "punishing" those who fought against the Ottoman Empire and not its own citizens who wanted to live in peace and who had served the Ottoman Empire for centuries. This is similar to saying that Hitler was justified in eradicating Germany of its Jewish population because some Jews sided with the Red Army to fight Nazi Germany or because of the Warsaw ghetto uprisings. Another example is the ill treatment of Japanese Americans / Canadians during WWII. Then you get into another absurd comment about Armenian terrorist groups. If you want to talk about terrorist groups, I can give you a number of Turkish terrorist group names also. Not sure where you are going with that, but I am certain it is another absurd piece of reasoning also. I do not know how old you are Nick, but your reasoning is equivalent someone in junior KG, not to mention your spelling and sentence structure.

by: Nick from: New York
August 29, 2009 12:19
I not agree with arguments of RD. Why ?? Because they are not correct and not full.
Facts are facts we like them or not.
1 Who started killings of Turkish officials and villagers in the end of 19 century ?
These killings started members of Armenian party Dashnak.. ' Armenian revolution front'
2 What happened on territory of Eastern Anatolia where lived armenian people since beginning World War 1 ?
There are started killings of Turks, then in 1915 Armenians began revolt in support of Russia military forces, the enemy of Turkish empire in WW1.
Then only government of Istanbul took decision about force move of armenian population out of border with Russia.
Do you know about Armenian terrorist organisation 'Asala'? Which guilty in murders of hundreds Turks and other people.

by: Ahmadoglu from: Instanbul
August 27, 2009 23:51
Hi Nick

Again your are not telling the truth. you never know American people or an Armenian from "street" or "Scholar". Your Defenition of Armenian Genocide has no legs to stand. must be you out of this world.

by: RD
August 27, 2009 14:27
Nick, you are embarassing yourself again. If you look into the heart of the matter, you will see that many notable Turkish authors and scholars accept what happened to the Armenians starting from the 1800's to 1920's is genocide. More people in Turkey will accept that genocide was committed against Armenians by Turks if they did not have to worry about article 301 in the Turkish penal code. As for Americans' stance on the issue, even your presidents knows what happened to the Armenians is genocide but do not support officially accepting it to placate Turkey, a member of NATO and where U.S military basis exist. You have to also remember that the U.S. has had relations with Turkey since the founding of the U.S. in the 1770s. Other Americans are blinded by the idea that Turkey is an ally and accepting the Armenian Genocide would put their military at risk or irrate an ally, never thinking about what denying the Armenian Genocide is doing to the credibility of their country. Besides all this Nick, maybe you should check archives in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq and ask yourself the question; "Why was there such a high influx of Armenian orphans, particularly in the early 1900's?" I know of a number of individuals who are not Turkish that deny the Armenian Genocide. When you look further into their backgrounds, you always see that they are either part of a Turkish Lobby group or some sort of a Turkish organization. Bruce Fein is an example. Sam Wheem is another example because his wife Gulnur is Turkish. Again Nick, get your head out of your back side and see reality. One last thought for you. When I visited Turkey in 2007, a number of Armenian churches in what is unfortunately today eastern Turkey, are re-opened again. However, they are called museums and not churches. You would find it hard anywhere to mention that these were once Armenian churches. All churches have been transformed into mosques. So easy to see how old the church is and how new the minarets are right next to the churches. Another example that the Turkish government will do everything it can to cover thier dark past that they eradicated themselves of the Armenian population that once lived in what is today eastern Turkey.

by: Nick from: NY
August 27, 2009 02:36
Everything what I wrote is not only my opinion. This is opinion of many Americans, people from street and scholars, people who know truth from both sides, but not only 'truth' of some Armenians. I wrote some Armenians, because I know some Armenians who don't support the idea definition of events of 1915 as Genocide. They are really people who want to have peace in their house.

by: RD
August 26, 2009 14:31
Nick, you would think someone who lives in the U.S would have better command of the English language than you do. You can't even put proper sentences together. Why should anyone think you have the ability to formulate your thoughts properly? Maybe that is why your comments and reasoning are puerile. You are embarassing yourself. For your sake, stop writing comments. Armenians were brutally removed out of their ancestral lands. They left behind their homes, lands, churches, and lives. For the few that escaped brutality of the Turkish gendarme or did not starve to death in the Syrian desert, what amount of compensation would make up for what they have lost? Nothing. I guess you must know better than the International Association of Genocide Scholars whether Armenians experienced genocide at the hands of the Turks or not. Again, stop embarassing yourself and stop writing comments.

by: Nick from: NY
August 25, 2009 16:17
Events of 1915-1923 are not genoside!Definition these events as genoside are using Armenians for take benifits.
Armenian propoganda very active using this point for achievement their strategic goal.
Reality of 1915 was regular killings of Turk high level employee from armenians,then military revolt of Armenian polulation against Istanbul goverment. And then only Istanbul government took decition about move armenian population from line,of front.

by: Thomas Reed from: WDC, US
August 22, 2009 02:11
The Independent (UK)

"Azeri witchhunt over Eurovision votes"

By Shaun Walker in Moscow

Wednesday, 19 August 2009

[Photo: AySel & Arash perform Azerbaijan's Eurovision entry in Moscow]

Security forces in Azerbaijan have launched a campaign against dozens
of citizens for voting for the wrong entry in this year's Eurovision
Song Contest. Authorities in the oil-rich country are apparently
tracking down people who voted for Azerbaijan's bitter enemy Armenia
in the competition held in May.

The two countries fought a vicious war in the 1990s over the region of
Nagorno-Karabakh, which is now under the control of ethnic Armenians
but is claimed by Azerbaijan. All borders between the two countries
remain closed and tensions remain high, even over such a seemingly
insignificant event as Eurovision.

Rovshan Nasirli, a resident of Azerbaijan's capital Baku, was one of
43 people in the country to vote for Armenia's entry "Jan-Jan", sung
by the duo Inga and Anush. He told Radio Liberty that he had been
summoned to the country's national security ministry last week to
explain himself.

"They wanted an explanation for why I voted for Armenia. They said it
was a matter of national security," said Mr Nasirli, who voted by text
message. "They were trying to put psychological pressure on me, saying
things like, 'You have no sense of ethnic pride. How come you voted
for Armenia?' They made me write out an explanation, and then they let
me go."

This year's contest, which was held in Moscow and won by Norway, was
already the most politicised in the history of Eurovision. Georgia,
which fought a war with Russia last summer, refused to take part in
the contest after it was told to change the lyrics of its entry. The
song, entitled "Don't Want to Put in", was widely seen as a pun on the
surname of Russia's Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and thus broke
contest rules that songs cannot be political.

Luckily for Mr Nasirli, he had a cast-iron excuse for voting for Inga
and Anush. He didn't like the Azerbaijani entry, which featured an
Iranian singer based in Sweden, and voted for Armenia because the song
actually sounded "more Azeri".


by: Kadeer from: Urgu- China
August 22, 2009 01:29
RD below is right in his analysis. well done RD. you are a champion.

Ottoman Turks belong to Central Asia. they brought disasters after disasters to peace loving people even to honest Turks.

Now they will dry out Iraq of water and after that they will cut the gas to Europe. only Armenians from Ararat will protect the world from evil "in sha Allah"

by: Alberto from: Armenia
August 21, 2009 23:35
Hi elvio
you are confused and mixed up between what Armenians and Turks did. have you heard about Armenian Genocide in 1915? President Obama said to Turkish deniers and Governments that Armenian Genocide is a fact, and USA is freind to Turkey. unless your name is Elmer you need help.

to Dear Adil,
Nagorno Karabakh Republic is a fact and NKR has representetive offices in Washington DC,Paris, Armenia and Russia. but the most important thing is the people of NKR are winners and the world powers accepted that Armenians are peacfull peoples than Azeri warmongers. what about this Eurovision Fiasco by Azeri KGB?
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