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Georgian President Demands To Know Opponents' Stand On Russia

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Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili has challenged his political opponents to disclose their views on relations with Russia, while also underlining his commitment to strengthening Georgia's ties with NATO and the European Union.

Saakashvili's comments, made in a speech at a military base near the border with South Ossetia on February 25, have been interpreted by some as being intended for Georgian billionaire Bidzina Ivanishvili.

Ivanishvili has said he will participate in parliamentary elections due in October and wants good relations with both Russia and the West.

Saakashvili said Georgian citizens legally had a right to want good relations with Russia but should not try and conceal this point of view from others.

"You can have relations with Russia's leaders and government members and you can think that it is more important than NATO and European Union membership, but you have no right to hide this stand [on Russia] from people," he said.

"You have no right, as the saying goes, to sit on two chairs simultaneously. The discussion, which is connected with the future plans of our country and which directs us toward the implementation of these plans, is so important that it is our obligation to spell it out clearly and transparently for our people."

Saakashvili also warned of the possible cost of an alliance with Moscow, saying that "Russia's current leaders, do not need neighbors, they want to have obedient vassals."

With a Russian presidential election due on March 4, Saakashvili also took a swipe at those in Georgia who might support the leading candidate Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

Saakashvili said supporting Putin is "neither good nor moral" even if it was still "legal and permitted" in Georgia. 

Putin is practically assured of victory in the upcoming election, which would return him to Russia's top post for another six years after previously serving as president from 2000 to 2008.

Georgian-Russian relations have been at a low ebb since a brief war between the two countries in 2008 over Georgia's breakaway region of South Ossetia, after which Russia  quickly recognized it and another Georgian breakaway region, Abkhazia.

Saakashvili's personal relations with Russia's leaders are also extremely strained. Toward the end of the 2008 conflict, with Russian troops advancing well into Georgian territory, Putin threatened to "hang" Saakashvili by the balls.

At the start of this month, Putin's successor, President Dmitry Medvedev, praised the capabilities of Russian military bases in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, saying the bases were "strong enough to effectively protect the interests" of the two regions.

Russian news agency Interfax quoted Medvedev as saying that "even crazy Saakashvili understands that."

In his speech to Georgian troops on February 25, Saakashvili also said that "NATO and the European Union are the only ways to strengthen Georgian statehood for our future generations."

Georgia has sought strong ties with the EU and NATO and has sent troops to join international coalitions in Afghanistan and Iraq.

With agency reporting
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by: Babeouf from: Ireland
February 26, 2012 10:39
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Is NATO going to admit Georgia as a member while it has an unresolved border dispute with Russia? No. And people who maintain otherwise should bound their assertion with a date. As in ' Georgia will be a NATO member by'. Then we can all see who is correct when the date for supposed membership falls due. After Georgian troops killed Russian soldiers I personally was surprised that the Russians didn't 'bomb Georgia back to the stone age'. In terms of the old USSR the response of the Russian military was quite restrained.
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by: Vakhtang from: Moscow
February 26, 2012 12:38
I am sure that Mr.Babeouf writes from the village "Drunk Balalaika" Leningrad region near the birthplace of our hero Vladimir.
After a glass of vodka, he probably thought that he was in Ireland.
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Russian soldiers were killed in the Georgian territory, which is called South Ossetia,after they opened fire on Georgian troops.
They were killed when they began to defend the Ossetian bandits during the operation of Georgians to restore constitutional order in Georgia (South Ossetia).
All the Georgian villages in South Ossetia were bomb back to the stone age how do you write, еverything was burned, looted, all of the Georgian population expelled..
you very blood-thirsty citizen, if you complain that was not enough..
I advise you to keep your booze and do not fool people head with you drunken delirium...
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by: Eugenio from: Vienna
February 26, 2012 13:26
Hey, Babeouf, of course, NATO will be happy to admit any country. Haven't you heard: NATO is going to attack Iran, Syria, N. Korea, Pakistan, Russia, China, Venezuela and Cuba very soon - to spread freedom, democracy and prosperity to all those nations suffering under dictatorships.
And as long as NATO is for now not even able to control the on-going protests in Afghanistan - against the freedom-spreading action of Koran-burning - guess whose solders will be doing the fighting in all the afore-mentioned countries? Correct, the brave soldiers of Misha Saakashvili :-))!!!
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by: KAVKAZ SILA from: MIR ALLAHA
February 26, 2012 15:22
There are at least 4 NATO countries with disputed borders:
1. Germany: Königsberg
2. England: Falkland Islands
3. Turkey: Cyprus
4. Greece: Cyprus
Babeouf I will tell you more about you. Only a Russian talks about unresolved borders.
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by: Sey from: World
February 26, 2012 16:54
Are you a fool man KAVKAZ SILA, or you are joking? I really hope that you're joking.

For your info, Konigsberg is recognized by Germany as part of Russia (called Kaliningrad). The Falkland Islands are under British control. And Cyprus is neither Greece nor Turkey, is an independent country so neither Greece nor Turkey have territorial claims to it.

What do these countries have in common? Their territorial sovereignty is NOT violated by occupational forces. Cyprus is NOT a member of NATO because 37% of its land is occupied by Turkey.

So please, Georgia won't be a member of NATO because its territory is occupied by foreign forces. Just as Cyprus is not a member of NATO because of the same thing. And that is because NATO does not want to be drawn into a war when that countries try to recover those territories.

Not that we have this thing cleared out: Abkhazia and South Ossetia are part of Georgia, Transnistria is part of Moldova, Karabakh is part of Azerbaijan. Cyprus is an indivisible entity. Those who support separatist entities do so because they don't have to suffer the shame to experience it themselves.

The borders are fixed. Deal with it.
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by: Randy McDonald from: Toronto
February 26, 2012 17:44
Germany has no territorial claims on Kaliningrad province, or on any other territory lost after 1945; it had to abandon such claims in exchange for reunification back in 1990. Not that this was especially difficult, since Germany had accepted that these territories were never coming back.
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by: Abriskil from: Turkey
February 28, 2012 11:24
Your International Relations knowledge is hilarious, if not fabulous. Berlin doesnt have any claims over Prussia for atleast 60 years.
Falklands is not disputed by neither UN nor any NATO member.
But I adore the Cyprus issue ignorance. Cyprus was a country that was not a member of NATO. Neither Greece nor Turkey has/had any sovereignty claims on the island.

On the other hand Georgia, as a war like people from late iron age, constantly attacks its neighbors, threatens and commits genocides exiles more people than its current ethnic population. Only commodity it has to sell NATO is being southern neigbor of Russia.
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by: Rasto from: office
March 02, 2012 12:45
Abriskil if your commenst towards Georgians are laughing stock. Georgians through their history had to defend themsleves against Byzantines, Mongols, Persians, Turks, Arabs, Russians and thorugh the history "enjoyed" more being ruled by other countries than having freedom. So describing them as a attacking war like people is not even funny is stupid. Taking into account that you are from Turkey who ruled and plundered West Georgia for several hundred years , your comments are utterly ridiculous.
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by: Mike from: US
February 27, 2012 06:54
"restrained"? - you have got to be kidding! Russia deployed its 58th army. I just don't understand when people are being so naive. Russia is a county with 140 million residents when Georgia is barely over a 4 million people. Who in their right mind would think that Georgia would be the aggressor.?! LOL, I mean has the world lost its mind? this is something that anyone who is not a complete idiot will understand.

Back to your statement. Nothing about Russian response was restrained. They were killing innocent Goergians in South Ossetia and everyone expected Saakashvili to sit there in Tbilisi and let them massacre his people? What kind of a president would do such a thing? After he was forced to take military action and protect Georgian citizens, everyone accuses him of starting a war. What was he supposed to do? sit there and let russians/ossetians massacre Georgians? Jesus Christ people WAKE UP!!! THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING!!!
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by: jp from: u.s
February 29, 2012 05:24
Mike,

Total agree with u. thumb up.
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by: Abriskil from: Turkey
February 28, 2012 11:16
What made you think they have past stone age at first place.
They were neolithic before the bomb, now became paleolithic.
Here is evidence for their neolithic "past"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzvtaZIMy98

by: JH from: Arizona
February 26, 2012 13:28
Saakashvili is the single greatest threat to stability in the region and was clearly the aggressor in the 2008 conflict. Until he is gone there will be no peace with the free and independent countries of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
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by: Vakhtang from: Moscow
February 26, 2012 16:34
How's the weather in Arizona? But most of all in the village of "Long live Communism" in the same area of the Leningrad...Where Mr.JH drinks vodka with Mr. Babyouf..
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What do you know about "independent" Abkhazia, "my dear friend" JH?
You know for example that you, your wife and children are inferior nation in terms of the Abkhaz constitution...that the Abkhaz gunmen have killed thousands of women, children and elderly?
That they live under the laws of racism, Nazism and apartheid?..
that they occupied 80% of the housing sector, which is not theirs?
You are against private property, which is not observed in Abkhazia?
This means that you together with your family can drive into the cold out of your apartment and you have no objection.
When you want to open your mouth, strain your brain, or moving the straw that instead of it.
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by: Mike from: US
February 26, 2012 22:58
Free and independent countries according to whom? Only four countries (maybe five) recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia. And what about Karabakh???? If anything, thats the most troubling area.


by: Nils Tore Gjerde from: Molde, Norway
February 26, 2012 15:38
South-Ossetia and Abkhazia are international regognized as Georgian territory. Just a handful of states have regonized them as "independent" republics.This is the biggest fiasco in modern Russian diplomatic history. Even Taiwan (Republic of China) has more diplomatic allies than South-Ossetia and Abkhazia! 23 nations have now full diplomatic relations with Taiwan.
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by: Vakhtang from: Moscow
February 26, 2012 16:57
In principle I agree with you Nils Tore Gjerde from Molde, Norway...but all the same to compare Taiwan with Abkhazia incorrectly.
Taiwan was the result of ideological differences whereas illegal formation of Abkhazia and South Ossetia is a result of ethnic cleansing, looting and lawlessness...
I do not remember that gangsters were running on Taiwan and killing people on a national basis as it did Abkhazians...
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by: Frank
February 27, 2012 00:05
Nils,

Putting aside diplomatic BS, the number of nations recognizing the independence of a given disputed territory isn't automatically a good gauge to judge the validity of the claim in question.

From the historical and human rights perspectives, Kosovo doesn't have a better independence claim than Pridnestrovie (Transnistria and closely related spellings).

by: Eugenio from: Vienna
February 26, 2012 18:39
Guys, what's all this fuss about Abkhazia and S. Osetia? If they are a part of Georgia, then Misha should just go and take them - just like he did back in 2008 :-))))))))).

by: Anonymous
February 26, 2012 19:23
Saakashvili has not got enough İQ to manage the government.

Georgian people voted this İQ-less guy. So Georgians ? :) do you have rights to choose your president ? or a monarchy must come over you ? Why are you angry ? you lost % 25 of your country 2008 war. And Caucasian people be your enemy. Misha misha made this, you vote Misha, means you did this.

by: Armenian from: Armenia
February 26, 2012 20:26
Georgia and Azerbaijan are the main obstacles to peace and prosperity in the entire Caucasus region. Russian leaders need to understand that the only way to pacify the Caucasus region is to partition Georgia and Azerbaijan between Russia and Armenia. At the very least, Armenia needs to be given the opportunity to establish a common border with the Russian Federation. Geostrategically, a stronger Armenia in the Caucasus means a stronger Russia. And this is the only way with which to solve the Caucasus region's many problems - including but not limited to Islamic militancy, pan-Turkism and Western expansionism.
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by: Eugenio from: Vienna
February 27, 2012 14:32
"Armenian is making an interesting point: 6-8% of the population of Georgia are ethnic Armenias that do not have more to do with the Georgian state than the ethnic Abkhazians (who cededed back in 1992 already). And these Armenians live in the region of Akhalkalaki - neighbouring on the Republic of Armenia. So, one can realistically imagine that - in the case if Georgia does not find a way of reestablishing friendly relations with all its neighrours (be it Abkhazia, S. Osetia, Russia or anyone else) - any future escalation in the region may imply adopting unpleasant, but necessary measures in order to restrain the only pro-US stooge determined to continue destabilizing the region." I guess, that's how Condi Rice would formulate it if she (God fobid!) happened to be a president of Russia :-)).
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by: Anonymous
February 27, 2012 20:59
Into Georgia there is also an other indipendent region

that is the Autonomous Republic of Adjara

located in the southwestern corner of Georgia, bordered by Turkey to the south and the eastern end of the Black Sea.

So , this GEorgia is realy very very fragmented for be a realy united state
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by: Mike from: US
February 28, 2012 03:48
ARMENIA CAN SUCK IT! :D lol
1. In the early nineties when ethnic cleansing of Georgians took place in abkhazia (Georgia), one of the perpetrators was an Armenian battalion by the name of "Bagramian". This battalion, along with chechens & other Northern Caucasus people all with the weapons and ammunition supplied by the Russians (yours truly) massacred thousand of Georgians as well as people of other nationalities who were on the Georgian side; not to mention that their massacre led to more then a quarter million Georgian refugees who to this day still can not get back to their homes because RUSSIA is backing up these very terrorists and murderers and claims that Georgia is the aggressor.

2. Armenians whose great grandparents immigrated to Georgian territory of samtxe javakheti following the Turkish massacre of armenians, are now trying to take away that region from Georgians, claiming that they compose the majority of that territory and want to break away. (This is the thanks that Georgians got after they allowed Armenina refugees to come to their lands to avoid being slaughtered by Turks; ironic isn't it?)

3. Armenia has, is, and always will be pro-Russian; pro Putin. The reason for this is because it is borded by Turkey from the west (who to this day can;t stand them), and by Azerbaijan on the east (who also hate them, partly due to the nagorno-karabax territory.) Due to this Armeinans have no other choice but to beg Russia for their support, otherwise their neighbors will exterminate them, pure and simple!

4.They are jealous of Georgians because they have access to the black sea, secondly because azerbaijan runs its gas % oil pipeline through Georgia (due to their disputes), also because Georgia has and always had a tremendous potential to become a country no less then Israel by its natural resources as well as history and culture...
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by: Rast from: office
March 02, 2012 13:03
Mike, The true character of the difference between Georgians and Armenians is in their relations to tehir minorities. While Aremenians cleaned all minorities out of tehy country and now there is 97 % Aremnians living in Armenia. In Georgia variety of minorities live there. Despite of war over Ossetia in Bakuriani region there live several thousand Ossetians. When there was a war there were no hostilitis there at all. It is said that currently in Georgia lives same number of Ossetians as in whole South Ossetia. Ask how many Georgians left in South Ossetia? Armenians were resettled to Samtskhe Javakheti by Russians , but UNLIKE Azeris around Dusheti region in Georgia, they refuse to learn Georgian language and only complain that they are restricted in chances to prosper and that they are second class citizens. Well if they do not speak Georgian who can employ them?

by: Jack from: US
February 26, 2012 20:46
it does not matter for how much longer "republic of Georgians" will whine and bark about Russia or Abkhazia or Ossetia. They will never be able to oppress people of Abkhazia and South Ossetia again. Even more, their rump dictatorship will further disintegrate.
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by: Vakhtang from: Moscow
February 27, 2012 08:57
Tell us "Jack of All Trades" why so-called oppressed Abkhazians-killed, burned and buried alive 15,000 innocent Georgian women, children and elderlу why do they live in occupied homes and apartments which belonged not only Georgians, but also belonged to the
Armenian,
Russian,
Greek,
Jews,
Estonians
You tell your fables to drinking buddies in the yard...
and remember that
Abkhazia and South Ossetia are two illegal bandit enclaves where the bandits are doing lawlessness
by the way...
Now they are robbing, raped and murdered Russian tourists who decided to rest in the bandit Abkhazia..

I would advise you not to go there....All your things are taken away, turn your nose on one side and steal your wife...
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by: Dog Bar from: Earth
February 27, 2012 12:14
From 1994 - 2008
The regon has gone through so many Regime changes
that I've lost count...
Both side are to blame from the onset of loss of control by Russia, People were trying to kill each other Vakhtang. roughly the same were killed by Georgian forces.
Before Russia decide to intervine
I've been to Abkhazia and South Ossetia
Italy is a more dangerous place to come visit.
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by: Rasto from: office
March 02, 2012 13:06
Jack, or Ivanushka, you dumb mongrel...go and visist Ossetian villages in Bakuriani region to see how they are opressed by Georgians..You do not know what you are talking about.

by: Abriskil from: Turkey
February 28, 2012 11:12
What opposition? The ones beaten, murdered, tortured and imprisoned before last elections(!) ? This murderous bastard will be leading most aggressive nation in the region until next coup. Stop portraying him as a champion of Democracy. nobody believes it anymore.
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by: Rasto from: office
March 02, 2012 13:13
If someone counted how many people were killed in last 1000 years by Turks and how many by Georgians I guess the ratio would be about 50 :1. For every person killed in wars by Georgians 50 killed by Turks

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