License To Bicker: Macedonian Number Plates Raise Greek Ire

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I read the article several times. I don't see it anywhere giving the impression that Greece had irredentist claims on the territory of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

Mitsos you are about as intelligent as a rock.

As soon as the instigator came to power(Samaras)he started his own football game as in 1995 for his political life.
Remember,1995 he was the foreign minister of Greece under Mitsotakis.In Greece in order to win you must use the Macedonian question,or you don't win elections.
Furthere to your claim that Alexander the Great was "Greek"is the biggest BULL.
Alexander was Macedonian,Greece did not occupy Macedonian territory in 338 bc,it was Macedonia who occupied City state Athens and the rest of City states south of Olympus.How can you claim a victor becoming the conquered?Of course,only a "Greek" can claim such nonsence.
Have you not learned what Isocrates wrote to Philip?
Is there anything you don't understand the epitaph written by Demosthenes in 338 bc?
Well,let me remind you;
We need to refresh our memories about Isocrates letter to Phillip where he,Isocrates,makes clear that:
a)"Phillips ancestors understood that Greeks cannot submit to the rule of a monarch,while non Greeks actually cannot live without such a regime.
b)People of non-kindred race-was the term used by Isocrates to describe the Macedonians.Obviously,and with added emphasis,he is highlighting the distinction between the Macedonians and the Greeks".
The epitaph composed by Demosthenes for the common grave of the fallen Hellens at Chaeronea reads as follows;
"Time whose o'ersing eye records all human action,bear word to mankind what fate was suffered,how striving to safeguard the holy soil of Hellas,upon Boeotias plain we died."
The distinction between Greeks and Macedonians is explicit;
"How striving to safeguard the holy soil of Hellas-we died".
Ancient Macedonians were not Greeks,they did not consider themselves to be Hreeks,nor were they so considered by the ancient Greeks.
The question of the use of the Macedonian language was raised by Alexander himself during the trial of Philotas,one of his generals accussed of treason.Alexander said to Philotas:
"The Macedonians are about to pass judgement upon you;I wish to know whether you will use their native tongue in addressing them."Thereupon Philotas replied:"Besides the Macedonians there are many present who,I think,will more easily understand what I shall say if I use the same language which you have employed,for no other reason,I suppose, than in order that your speech might be understood by the greater number."Then said the king:Do you not see how Philotas loathes even the language of his fatherland?For he alone disdains to learn it.But let him by all means speak in whatever way he desires,provided that you remember that he holds our customs in as much abhorrence as our language."(Quintus Curtius Rufus,History of Alexander the Great of Macedon,VI.ix.34-36)
"The trial of Philotas took place in Asia before a multi-ethnic public,which had accepted Greek as their common language.Alexander spoke Macedonian with his conationals,but used Greek in addressing West Asians."
Like Ilyrian and Thracian,ancient Macedonian was not recorded in writing.However,on the basis of about a hundred glosses,Macedonian words noted and explained by Greek writers,some place-names from Macedonia.Ancient Macedonian was a separate Indo-European language.Evidence from phonology indicates that the Macedonian language was distinct from Greek and closer to the Thracian and Ilirian languages,"
Greece for the first time came to Macedonia in 1913,never before,thanks to the Big Powers France and Germany.
Macedonia was partitioned illigaly into four parts,Aegean Macedonia,Pirin,Mala Prespa and Vardar.These names indicate same as Greece has;Sterea Ellada,Peloponisos,Epiros etc.
I trust you have learned history,and my comments should mach your schooling in history.Have a nice day!

@Mitsos,since you are in Greece,do some research on the census of Greece in 1920 written by Dimitri Lithozou.To be exact,this census was done on 19th,December 1020 under"E Makedoniki glossa stin apography plithismou tou 1920".Translation"The Macedonian language at the census of 1920".
Mitsos,I prefer facts,not Greek fabricated history.
In 1925 at the League of Natiions the high Greek representative Dendramis acknowledged the existance of the Macedonian ethnicity, culture,language and said,it is diferent than that of Bulgarian and Serbian.This is the time that Greece did print the Abcedar for the Macedonian school children.

Mario Alinei,Dean Emiritus of the University of Utrecht,director of several linguistic reviews and progenitor of the Continuity Theory,states;"I have to commence by clearing away one of the most absurd consequences of the traditional chronology namely,that of the arrival of the Slavs into the immense area in which they now live. The only logical conclusion can be that the southern branch of the Slavs is the oldest and that from it developed the slavic Western and Eastern branches...Today only a minority of experts support the theory of a late migration of the Slavs.
Recent genetic studies conducted by Oxford University reveal that todays ethnic Macedonians carry only 15.2% of the Slav gene,slightly above modern Greeks and Albanians and less than Serbs and Bulgarians!
They further reveal that todays ethnic Macedonians have the highest amount of the Mediterranean gene of all European people!This was also confirmed by the University of Madrid studies.In a court of law,it is genetic proof that is conclusive,I might add!
Here is a suggestion for the Greeks,how about DNA tests on the remains of the Royal Macedonian Tombs,uncovered and desecrated by "Greeks" in todays occupied Macedonia?
Follow this up with genetic tests on modern Greek and Macedonian population...we will soon see the truth!
Further,there is no pure Slav people...just like there is no pure Greek.

In summation...Ethnic,yes todays Ethnic Macedonians cannot possibly be of the old Mediterean substratum if they were slavs arriving in the Balkans in 6th century as the 19th century Western construct asserts!!
Todays ethnic Macedonians are authocthonous to Macedonia,it is very simple! Their language, unintelligable to the ancient Greeks,was a form of proto Macedonian/Slav,which then spread outward,becoming more complex as it moved further away from Macedonia.Countless proto Macedonian letters unearthed on the territory of the Republic of Macedonia and no doubt in Pirin and Aegean Macedonia,though the respective occupiers have no doubt concealed them from the world because it does not fit their lies,attest to this fact!"

In 1995 Mitsotakis acknowledged the fact that Macedonians do exist in Aegean Macedonia during the interview in the introduction of T.Skinalis book"For the name of Macedonia".This was at the same time when FM Samaras started the football againts the Republic of Macedonia and the indigenous Macedonian minority in occupied Aegean Macedonia.This is the time Samaras paid politicians and news media by hiding 130 million dollars in black garbage bags for propaganda with no accountability to the Greek state.
As you can see,today he started the downfall of Greeces most lucrative income,tourism from Macedonia by slaping stickers on their licence platets.Samaras like other Greek politicians will destroy Greece as they have succesfuly done since the question of the constitutional name of Macedonia was made a political issue by Greeks!Congratulations!
Have a nice day!

@Mitsos,I don't think you know your history from what I have been reading your comments.
Let me tell you one or two facts;

"US wanted Macedonia independent back in 1783"
"The project of setling at liberty the whole vountry of ancient Greece,Macedonia and Illyricum,and erecting independent Republics in those famous seats,however splendid it may appear in speculation,is not likely to be seriously entertained by the two Empires,becauseit is impracticable.The Greeks of this day,although they are said to have imagination and ingenuity,are corrupted in their morals to such a degree,as to be a faithless,perfidious race,destirute of courage,as well as of those principles of honor and virtue,without which nations can have no confidence in one another,nor be trusted by others.

John Adams,one of US founding fathers,in a statement written back on July 14th 1783 to the first US State Secretary Robert Livingston,clearly states he wanted to see Macedonia as well as Greece independent from Ottoman rule.

Unfortunately for some Balkan nations(including Macedonia),it was the French,Prussians(Germany) who decided who gets independdence.

The US president was well aeare the French and Germans were pushing their own agenda on the Balkans.

Adams then goes on to describe the Greeks as people...230 years later they are still described in the same way,corrupted in their morals to such a degree,as to be faithless,perfidious race,destitute of courage.."

Greece has no courage to recognize the Republic of Macedonia nor they have any courage to recognize the indigenouse Macedonian minority within their borders since 1913 when the Big Powers partitioned Macedonia illigally.

France insisted on installing an Austrian Prince as the king of Greece-Otto.

What president John Adams said then,it is true to this day;"corrupted in their morals to such a degree,as to be faithless,perfidious race,destitute of courage".

Greeces actions againts the Macedonians who wanted to help Greece on their economy,they are turning them back to Macedonia,therefore,Greeces biggest economy of tourism will suffer,as well as shortage of euros to pay the lenders.
Greeces politics and actions fitt the description of president Adams.By doing what Samaras is doing,he will bring Greeces demise of bankrupcy sooner than later while the Greek citizens will pay for his ego.

Nothing is illegal about placing these stickers on vehicles.

What I suggest Macedonia do, is return the favour to the Greeks by placing a sticker on Greek cars as I believe many Greeks enter Macedonia to buy groceries. These stickers should have FOPOG (Former Ottomon Province of Greece) written on it.

@Mitsos,truth does hurt,does't?Greeces historical fabrications just scraches the surface.134 nations have recognized the Republic of Macedonia by its constitutional name including 4 out of 5 UN security counsel.
Lets get to the facts that you Greeks are so afraid to talk about.
Ex-premier of Greece Constantinos Mitsotakis in 1995 recognized that the problem with Macedonia was not the name but the Macedonian minority in Greece.Here is his statement;"From the moment I first saw it I recognized Skopjes theme in its true dimensions.What made me uneasy from the begining was not the name of this country...the problem for me was how to avoid creating a second minority problem in Western Macedonia.If the problem of the Slavo-Macedonian minority in Western Macedonia is added to the Muslim minority,which sadly,with our errors is a dengerous development,the situation will become unsustanable for Greek external politics..."emphasized the former Greek premier in the introduction of T.Skinalis book"For the name of Macedonia"
The announcement in the State Departement report for human rights in 1991,for the first time mentioned the existance of a Macedonian identity in Greece,was of particular concern to Mitsotakis.It has always been Greeces aim to have Macedonia denounce the Macedonian minority in Greece and to force Macedonia to accept international binding agreements that a Macedonian minority in Greece does not exist and to cease all propaganda aimed at Greece.This was key for the Greek-Skopjan defence"remarked Mitsotakis.He continues to remark,"It is truly certain that after 1950 no such minority existed in our country,because the citizens with Slavic sentiments who fought on the side of the communist left at the end of the civil war"said Mitsotakis.
Outside to official Athens however,there are some Greek intelectuals who have entirely different views on the name dispute.Athena Skoulariki a sociology professor at the University of Crete,for example says that Greece is tangled in a strategic dead end."In the course of the last 16 years we have lost one battle after another and still have not seriously considered what we are doing wrong.Why is the outside World not supporting the Greek thesis on this issue?Why after so many years of trying has Greece not succeeded in convincing the international public?"asks professor Skoulariki.

According to Skoulariki the Greek arguments are not convincing because it is a fundamental right of all people to freely choose their name.We insidt that our neigbor has no right to use the name Macedonia,ignoring the fact that during the 19th and 20th century there was a wider region called Macedonia."
Mitsos,you are wrong on the League of Nations events.
Read the treaty of Serves which Greece signed on August 10,1920.Read articles 7,8 and 9.Just a correction on your comment;In March 1925 the League of Nations directed Greece to fulfill its obligations.By May 1925 an elementary school reader was published in the Macedonian language,it was known as the Abecedar.Strong reaction immediatly came from Serbia and Bulgaria.Serbia and Bulgaria were caught totaly by surorise,both were furious that the Abecedar was not printed in Serbian or Bulgarian respectivaly.Serbia threatend to break its treaty of Alliance with Greece and to commence negotiations with Bulgaria for the division of Aegean Macedonia.
What occurred next is truly a rare example,the Greek representative at the League of Nations Vasilis Dendramis responded by defending the Macedonian language as being"Neither Bulgarian,nor Serbian but an independent language.He listed various linquists and linquistic maps as evidence to support his claim of the independence of the Macedonian language.
The high ranking Greek official representing the Greek state not only recognized the existance of the Macedonian identity,but openly defended and supported it!
I support my comments with facts,not bits and pieces taken out of content as you do.

@Mitsos,you posed a question on our heroes.
Ilo Markov Maleshevski 1803-1898,Damian Gruev 1871-1906,Dimitar Berovski 1840-1907,Petar Arsov 1868-1941,Gotse Delchev 1872-1903,Giorgi Sugarev 1876-1906,Hristo Uzunov 1878-1905,Lazar Pop Trajkov 1878-1903,Nikola Karev 1877-1905,Pitu Guli 1865-1903,Kostadin Mazneikov 1882-1903,Jordan Piperkata 1870-1903,Nikola Kazandziev 1880-1903,Vasil Glavinov 1869-1929,Vasil Chakalarov 1874-1913,Pando Kliashev 1882-1907,Pere Toshev 1865-1912,Jane Sandanski 1872-1915,Giorgi Puleski 1818-1894,Grigor Prlichev 1830-1893,Dimitar Miladinov 1810-1862,Krste Misirkov 1874-1926,Lazo Trpovski 1900-1943Mirka Ginova 1916-1946,she was buried alive by the Greek monarhofasists.All above heroes are our heroes-Macedonians who fought for our rights.
These heroes come from all four corners of Macedonia,before and after the illigal partition of Macedonia in 1913.
None of these heroes of the Macedonian people have been jailed for fighting for freedom.Unlike Greece who jailed Kolokotroni and his cousin,the 17 year old Manolis Glezos who lowered the swastica on Acropolis was jailed.Both instances were to apease the Ottomans and the nazis.
John Adams was right to characterize the Greeks in his letter to the first US Secretary of State Livingston in 1783,you did read his statement,right?.
In mid fifties Markos came back to Greece from former Soviet Union,he received a heroes welcome in Athens.I thought he was a communist,yet the children refugees from Aegean Macedonia are not allowed to go and see the graves of their parents being accussed as communists.I am one of them,at 11 years old,what did I knew of communism?.
Mitso,have a nice day!

The UN recognizes from 1993 temporary name "the former yugoslav republic of macedonia"(FYROM) The stoic philosophers coming from ancient land of macedonia would be very offended today if they knew that a south-slavic nation unknown to them which is speaking a bulgarian dialect is claiming their name and their cultural heritage as its own .shame!