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Massachusetts State Legislature Calls For Recognition Of Nagorno-Karabakh

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By RFE/RL
WASHINGTON -- Lawmakers in the U.S. state of Massachusetts have passed a resolution calling on U.S. President Barack Obama and the U.S. Congress to "support the self-determination and democratic independence" of Nagorno-Karabakh, the predominantly ethnic-Armenian separatist enclave in Azerbaijan.

The resolution, adopted on August 6 by the state's House of Representatives, also commends last month's de-facto presidential election in the territory as “another major step” in democratic development.

The move follows the adoption of a similar resolution by the state legislature of Rhode Island in May.

Both resolutions were lobbied for by Nagorno-Karabakh's self-styled representative office in the United States.

Armenia and Azerbaijan fought a war over the region from 1988 to 1994.

A final resolution to the dispute remains elusive.

No country recognizes the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh.
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by: Camel Anaturk from: Kurdistan
August 07, 2012 21:59
Self-determination and democratic independence are one thing when you apply them to say Israel and the USA and its cold turkey concubine and the `azeri` kgb petrol station of Ilhamistan.Its quite different when you apply them to people who dont want to live by the grace of soviet nazis like good old Uncle Joe and his kgb bootlickers -the mafia style clan of Ali Baba Ilham.What can the people of Artsakh give the good old demockratic west-money??? petrol???child-brides ???any levers to spy on iranian azeris???political clout and influence in the region???Naaaah,will the good old most demockratic Shamerica make the cold turkeys unhappy and the azeris unhappier???And last but not least-Is this good for Israel???The answer ,my friends is not blowing in the wind,its just a simple ........!!!

by: Jack from: US
August 07, 2012 22:58
Minion Sunni Wahhabi

by: http://gov.nkr.am from: Free Artsakh
August 08, 2012 06:13
Viva Free and Democratic Artsakh!
Shame on REFRL for this openly bias and aggressive coverage of both resolutions. It's just shows to American taxpayers who really "owns" this source.
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by: Pat from: Montreal
August 08, 2012 09:12
Yes, a puppet regime of a puppet regime. So free. So democratic that it needed to massacre whole towns, ethnically cleanse an area twice as large as it claims and destroy the homes, temples, graves, farms-everything of 6 times the population it has. Very brave, good for them.
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by: Camel Anaturk from: Kurdistan
August 08, 2012 09:54
Right on,Patsy,you get this week`s prize for talking turkey-its a de-luxe electric cattle prod,and please drop in by the local azeri kgb station to claim your prize as our delivery boy is on vacation.How are things in Montreal<be careful of armenians stealing your donkey herd!!!
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by: Pat from: Montreal
August 09, 2012 01:35
If you have anything meaningful to say go ahead, otherwise trolling does not help you.
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by: www.president.nkr.am from: Free Artsakh
August 10, 2012 05:08
It was brave indeed! Less then 200,000 Armenian farmers threw out the 7+ million strong Turkic yoke and made their army and all their Afghan-Chechen mujahedin mercenaries run away while their Sultan Heydar-baba Aliyev Sr. begged Moscow to ask Armenians to stop advancements on Gandzak and Baku!!

Please verify your lies - what "temples" are you talking about? Artsakh Armenians liberated part of their land and a lot more is still under the occupation of the nomadic Azeri Turks. These invaders should go back to their "temples" they left in the Altai mountains of nowadays Russian Far East where they came from.
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by: Anonymous
August 10, 2012 08:44
There was nothing bravely. It was totally cowardly as it was done by Russians and foreign mercenaries. It was also brutal and genocidal.
Not just temples, any and every structure in Azerbaijani populated areas were systematically destroyed and laid in waste. For an example of this destruction one can view the photos taken by a Swiss journalist Andre Widmer in Agdam. This used to be a city of 128 000, approximately the same as the current population of all the occupied areas, now utterly destroyed, with cows and pigs roaming inside its mosque and tombstones broken in graveyards.
The racist attitude towards Azerbaijani Turks, which has resulted in these ethnic cleansing, continues even today, as you can see in these comments.
Turks have been living in Caucasus, including Karabakh for thousands of years. By that measure Armenians, as Indo-European speakers, should go back to the Ukrainian steps. Nobody is a guest in that land.
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by: RD
August 10, 2012 18:43
Your picture must be right next to the term; "double standards" in the dictionary. I guess you conveniently forgot the massacre of Armenians in Baku and Sumgait. You completely overlooked the complete destruction of 1000 year old Armenian graves in Azerbaijan and turning the graves into a shooting range. At least the mosque in Shushi still stands and is being repared. I am against all violence. However, if you are going to talk about one atrocity, do not be biased. Maybe you should stick to comic books. As for puppet regime? Yes, Azerbaijan is top of CPI index. No corruption at all.
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by: Pat from: Montreal
August 11, 2012 13:01
Well done, now we come down to the point where one justifies ethic cleansing and wholesale destruction of cities and towns.
I also did not mention anything about 1905 or 1918 events, or anything about Cambodia or Rwanda, or anything about the atrocities Azerbaijanis have faced while being deported from Armenia. There's something called relevance. The issue here is that a regime can not be legitimate, let alone democratic, if it has ethnically cleansed a large area, still keeps hundreds of thousands of people away from their homes. And I, btw, above post was mine, brought this just one example, because it was requested "justification".
And as for dictionary, I think you should look up the meaning of puppet regime.
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by: Wake up from: Fr
August 12, 2012 16:36
Pat from Montreal, Congratulations you just proved how ignorant you are. The more you write the more you prove my point. If you are really from Montreal the chances are that you know nothing about the history of the region. So keep quiet and don't damage the reputation of Canadians.
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by: Pat from: Montreal
August 12, 2012 19:34
When one speaks facts and cites outside sources then you call him ignorant? Just because he doesn't conform to your ideas? Well, at least you should provide your reasons, rather than the childish "I know, but you don't" attitude. I see no reason to continue with someone who approaches with that mindset.
Take care.
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by: RD
August 13, 2012 01:50
You are right Pat from Montreal. The Armenian community in Azerbaijan is thriving, alive and well vis a vis the Azeri community in Armenia and Karabakh. The Armenian community of Azerbaijan is doing particularly well after your inept president's comments; "All Armenians everywhere in the world are our enemy".
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by: Pat from: Montreal
August 13, 2012 07:29
First of all, I do not have any president. I don't care whose president said what, by that measure Armenian president is downright racist when he declares that Armenians and Azerbaijanis are incompatible to live together.
But, I appreciate your courage in at least acknowledging that unlike the Azerbaijanis in Armenia who have been deported to the last person, Armenians in Azerbaijan are doing well.
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by: Wake up from: FR
August 13, 2012 12:51
Pat, stop pretending that you are an adult. Obviously you have neither the tools nor the capacity to argue.
Smile and have a good day!
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by: RD
August 13, 2012 18:37
Pat, I was being facetious when I said the Armenian Community in Azerbaijan is thriving and doing well. However, as others have expressed, you don't seem to be noetic enough to understand that. Stick to comic books. I tried to educate you but that was a useless exercise. Donkey can not read regardless how many times you send him to school
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by: Pat from: Montreal
August 13, 2012 20:51
I thank you and others for proving me again by this kind of language.
And for your info, the Armenian community in Azerbaijan, outside of Karabakh is indeed doing well and thriving in all major cities. I've met many myself, when I was invited to Azerbaijan two years ago.
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by: greg from: virginia
August 15, 2012 17:34
Hi Pat. I don't appreciate the bashing your taking from some armenians, but i will make it clear, i support NKR's right to self-determination - period. NKR is now a functioning "defacto" sovereign state, and AZ does NOT have the right to "blast" NKR back under Baku's control. To your comments about azeris being deported from armenia "to the last person", not true. As of at least a few years ago, there was an azeri citizen of armenia, living in yerevan, working in a management capacity at one of Armenia's major tv media outlets. That is just one example. I am sure there are others - i know of this guy because RFE / RL interviewed him. I myself personally met an Azeri woman living in a small cottage between Aghdam and Stepanagert. I didn't know she was azeri at the time, but i gave her $20 (she was peddling onions in Stepanagert when i first saw her. then i saw her again that evening walking back to Aghdam. so i gave her $20). My friends, both local NKR veterans of the war with Azerbaijan were the ones who told me who she was. They bore her no maliciousness, and did NOT ridicule me when i tried to help her out with a little money. As far as Armenians living in Azerbaijan outside of Karabagh, i have a friend whose mother is living in Baku - and definitely living "in the closet". By her account, and by account of my non-armenian friends who support NGOs within Azerbaijan, the only armenians living there are those who live "in the shadows". It is a known fact that Armenians cannot safely allow the azeri authorities to discover their ethnic armenian background. Names are changed, and language, religion, and culture are buried in the closet. Even then, vindictive neighbors can still "out" them to the police, and get them into trouble. Again, I got that from non-armenians working for NGOs in Baku. People of NKR do not bear ill will towards Azeri's as a general rule, only toward those who see NKR as a "criminal" entity to be smashed back under Baku's authority. You advise your fellow azeri's that the best policy with NKR is to stop threatening them and start working towards a way to build enough confidence that former Azeri residents of NKR can return to the properties they left behind - in a new and independent Karabagh.
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by: Pat from: Montreal
August 15, 2012 18:19
I will not argue over the issue of the declared independence. I have made myself clear on that. There is no independence as of now, not even in Armenia, let alone in Karabakh. I do not see that the current regime in any way can be considered to represent the will of the Karabakh Armenians, nor have any legal or moral legitimacy.
However, the issue of Armenians in Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis in Armenia is different. It is not correct that Armenians in Azerbaijan all live anonymously. Some do, but most are known as Armenians. I have met some personally in Baku, as I have mentioned in my previous post. Possibly in rural areas it may be harder, but in major cities that's not the case. In Armenia however, anyone who identifies as Azerbaijani has been deported. until last year I was visiting all Caucasus countries regularly. The environment makes it impossible to live as Azerbaijani. And different than Azerbaijan, it is the same as in Yerevan and in Kapan, where they told me that there was once a sizeable Azerbaijani minority, but now most seemed proud that they got themselves rid of this malady.
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by: greg from: virginia
August 16, 2012 15:12
when armenians in armenia talk to me about the former azeri neighbors who were deported to AZ, most of what i sense is resignation that this is what happens in wars of MUTUAL ethnic cleansing. I also repeatedly hear regret that the azeri armenians sold some of the best produce available in the markets before they left. at least half the time, the armenians i talked to said their azeri neighbors were generally nice people, and that they are missed. Anyway, point is, Baku will gain a lot more for its Azeri refugees from Karabagh and Armenia thru confidence building and discussions around restoration of private property. What Baku will gain from the war option is potentially the destruction of the infrastructure they have built to support their oil rich life style. Armenia and NKR have little, and therefore have a lot less to lose than Baku does by making war into an acceptable policy when it comes to NKR.
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by: Dog Bar from: Earth
August 16, 2012 20:46
Americano go home, Keep your nose clean, Stay out of the
worlds business, You are not the world policeman.
We need not know what a puppet regime America is.
The world hates America and has no care for her no more
She never did no good for any folk no how even worse the the stupid French & English.

by: Jack from: US
August 08, 2012 13:27
Karabakh is Armenian land. US government ally Turkey who murdered millions of Armenians and other Christians, wants to kill all Armenians in Karabakh. The brightest members of US government - Hillary Clinton and John McCain (soon to be joined by Mitt Monkey Romney) love Sunni activists - Turks and Saudis and want to kill all Christians too. You will hear Hillary strongly objecting to self-determination of Karabakh

by: Anonymous
August 08, 2012 16:27
if some nations recognize kosovo, it would be quite understandable if precisely those nations against the background of historical and political developments accepted karabakh as an independent state.
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by: Wake up from: FR
August 12, 2012 16:25
Well said anonymous. Could not agree with you more.
This is called double standards. I am not Russian but I am glad that they are there to keep the balance of power. Otherwise we will all be doomed by reckeless and clumsy policies of the West. Failer after failer speaks for itself. Nothing to say more.

by: Joan from: US/AZ
August 08, 2012 19:04
wow. Just goes to show what a lobbying group with a lot of money in the United States can buy you. I doubt even half of any state legislature really cares or even knows about Nagorno-Karabakh. I wonder how much they had to pledge in campaign finance for those resolutions.
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by: wake up from: FR
August 12, 2012 16:20
Don't even talk about money and corruption because azeris have a lot more than the Armenians and have been known as one of the most corrupt governments in the area. They even bribed the olympics judges to award mediasl to azeris in London Olympics! Note that at least two azeris were expulsed for this very same reason. Wake up!

by: NoToNATO
August 10, 2012 01:10
RFERL is founded by and supported by wahabbi sunni muslim extrimists and their western allies. This is a shamefully biased article in favor of Azerbaijan.

by: just some Khan from: pakistan
August 13, 2012 20:56
Im from Pakistan and Im very critical of Azerbaijan mainly because of their relations with Is-rael.

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by: RD
August 14, 2012 14:11
Mr. Khan, you are right. Israel is using Azerbaijan but Azerbaijan's Government is too ignorant to realize it. Israel is selling Azerbaijan arms, military expertise, security services worth billions of dollars etc. However, when it is no longer in Israel's interests to support Azerbaijan or when Azerbaijan wastes its petro dollars and is back to the middle ages again, Israel will turn its back on Azerbaijan.
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by: Jay from: Melbourne Beach,FL
August 16, 2012 10:01
So,what you gonna do?

by: Alex from: LA
August 16, 2012 16:03
To Turks and Turk representatives for hire:
I have one word for you on understanding a conflict and history of South Caucuses: "DELUSIONAL!"

by: Jenny from: Oxnard
August 18, 2012 04:49
FREE ARTSAKH/NAGORNO KARABAGH.

stop the racism and intolerance from the ever-greedy turks. If they had a choice, the turks of turkey and azerbaijan would finish off what they started in the early 20th century (ARMENIAN GENOCIDE).

BACK OFF TURKS, AND LET THE CHRISTIAN ARMENIANS LIVE FREELY.

your dreams of a ottoman revival are OUT OF THIS WORLD, go back to asia just as you came and stop harassing the natives of the area (Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Kurds, etc).
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by: Shant DAVIDIAN! from: Toronto Armenia Canada Ot
August 22, 2012 10:05
well said .. how ever one thing to correct. it's Assyria and Assyria.. let me note that puncture,, Kurds are not natives fo the area they CLAIM, as in they want to claim. Kurds are orginally from north eastern Iran haha.. so even they are not native.. Otherwise you're right about Greek Armenans and Assyrians whoa re native of Iraq kuwait area. plus lets not underestiamte God.. there are many Kristian Kurds. Turks. Azeries today so they might or should support nkr independance, Armenian Gneocide bill universally and so on.

Also i support NKR independance how ever others may live there it should not be a racist society even towards turks or azeries of any kind.

good day
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