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For Russia, Qaddafi's Downfall Is No Cause For Celebration

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin (left) welcomed Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi on his visit to Moscow in November 2008.
Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin (left) welcomed Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi on his visit to Moscow in November 2008.
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By Tom Balmforth
MOSCOW -- Muammar Qaddafi is dead, Libya has declared itself free, and NATO is celebrating a much-needed victory.

But not everybody is happy with this outcome, least of all Russia.

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the Libyan rebels violated the Geneva Conventions when they shot Qaddafi after capturing him near his hometown of Sirte on October 20. Qaddafi, he said, should have been treated as a prisoner of war.

Speaking to three Russian radio stations on October 21, Lavrov also condemned NATO for bombing the Libyan dictator's convoy as he tried to escape. Lavrov said the strike exceeded NATO's mandate as defined by its UN Security Council resolution and called for an investigation.

"Air-to-ground strikes, including on the convoy, have nothing to do with a no-fly zone," Lavrov said. "In this particular case, we cannot even talk about saving the lives of innocent citizens because the convoy did not attack anyone."

It was far from the first conflict between Russia and the West over Libya since Moscow reluctantly agreed not to veto a UN Security Council resolution in February authorizing NATO to impose a no-fly zone over the country in order to protect civilians from Qaddafi's forces.

Moscow had long enjoyed good relations with Qaddafi, going back to Soviet times. Moreover, Russia could now lose billions of dollars in arms sales and infrastructure projects in Libya, as many of the deals were signed by Qaddafi personally.

No Cheering In Moscow

Russia has always insisted that the UN resolution be interpreted narrowly and accused the Western alliance of using it as cover to overthrow the Libyan leader.

"One thing was declared – they [NATO] said that they were conducting their operation in defense of the peaceful population from Qaddafi forces," says Aleksei Mukhin, director of the Moscow-based Center for Political Information think tank.

A memorial board for Muammar Qaddafi at the Russian State University of Trade and Economics in Moscow reads: "On October 20, 2011, Muammar Qaddafi died heroically. Shame on Muammar Qaddafi's killers."
A memorial board for Muammar Qaddafi at the Russian State University of Trade and Economics in Moscow reads: "On October 20, 2011, Muammar Qaddafi died heroically. Shame on Muammar Qaddafi's killers."

"But in the end it basically turned out that the aim of the NATO mission in Libya was the killing of Qaddafi. There is more evidence of this in the fact that Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen announced straight after Qaddafi was killed that the war was over."

Mukhin adds that unlike in the West, where Qaddafi was portrayed as a brutal -- albeit clownish -- figure, Russia has always seen him as a reliable ally. "For us he was a legitimate leader at an international level who had all the legitimacy to rule, but some of the [media] outlets in the West presented him practically like a cannibal," he notes.

Russian officials have also expressed skepticism that a stable regime is likely to form in the post-Qaddafi political vacuum in Libya.

The contrast in visions is even visible in the tabloids. "That's For Lockerbie!" screamed the headline in Britain's "The Sun" the day after Qaddafi was killed, referring to Qaddafi's purported role in a terrorist explosion on a plane over the Scottish town of Lockerbie that killed 270 people in 1988. The Moscow tabloid "Metro," on the other hand, ran the more somber and respectful "The Colonel Went Down Like A Man."

The Unwelcome Color Of Spring

Analysts say that in addition to the loss of lucrative contracts in Libya, the Kremlin has been wary of the Arab Spring rebellions that swept the Middle East and North Africa this year, seeing them as an extension of the "colored revolutions" that brought pro-Western regimes to power in Georgia, Ukraine, and Kyrgyzstan in 2003-05.

The Kremlin has always seen these uprisings as resulting "not from internal processes within the country, but rather from foreign intervention" from the West that could be replicated in Russia, says Aleksandr Golts, a Moscow-based defense analyst and deputy editor of the website "Yezhednevny zhurnal."

"Of course, you can't compare the regime in Russia with the Qaddafi regime. But at the same time, they [the Russian authorities] take into account that we have a democracy of a rather specific kind," Golts says. "The Russian leadership is also paranoid that the West will at some point organize some kind of 'colored' revolution."

The sorts of color (Ukrainian protesters in 2004) that the Kremlin would rather not see again.
The sorts of color (Ukrainian protesters in 2004) that the Kremlin would rather not see again.

U.S. Senator John McCain (Republican-Arizona) fed those fears when he told the BBC that Qaddafi's killing should serve as a warning to the world's "dictators" and singled out Prime Minister Vladimir Putin as well as Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in particular.

Russia's outspoken and often bombastic NATO envoy, Dmitry Rogozin, retorted on Twitter on October 21, "The joy on the faces of 'global democracy's' leaders is like that of somebody recalling how in their childhood they hung homeless cats in their cellars."

Analysts say Russia could lose as much as $10 billion in contracts due to Qaddafi's fall. Most observers say the Kremlin's belated recognition of the National Transitional Council in September was a last-ditch effort to gain favor with the new Libyan authorities and hold on to their old business ties.

And given this reality, Russia's opposition to Qaddafi's killing has only gone so far. When three parties -- the Communists, Vladimir Zhirinovsky's nationalist Liberal Democrats, and the center-left A Just Russia -- pushed a resolution in the State Duma sending condolences to Libya for Qaddafi's death, the measure was blocked by the ruling United Russia party. The measure failed by a vote of 153 to 98.
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by: Maria from: London
October 25, 2011 15:32
Is it the democratic approach to display only one picture from a huge list of Kaddafi's pictures with other VIPs from different European countries like Sarcozy(France), Berlusconi (Italy), Ushchenko (Ukraine)...?
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by: francois albouy from: versailles
October 25, 2011 17:39
This is worse than propaganda. This is brainwashing on a scale that even Herr Goebels would have admired.
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by: Mahamadu from: Libya
October 25, 2011 18:59
Thank you USA, UK, FRANCE, Italy, Germany, Turkey, Arab brothers and many others for your support. We don't forget our allies and we will sell you oil cheap. Russia is our enemy and her oil companies will be banned from Libya soon Inshallah.
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by: Slava
October 25, 2011 21:17
Maria,

You beat me to that observation.

In recent years, Khadafy's purchase of Western arms (notably French) was considerable.

He was killed because on the premise that dead men can't tell certain things which some might find compromising.

Note how the kangaroo court trial of Saddam was done in Iraq, whereas Serbs get prosecuted outside Serbia under suspect legal conditions. Iraq isn't more legally advanced than Serbia. The same comparison can be made between Belgrade and the Albanian nationalist stronghold of Pristina - the latter is where some Albanians are on trial for human organ sales.
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by: eli from: your house
October 26, 2011 16:37
Not sure what your point is, Mr. Averko, er, Slava Joe. Does this article present Russia's unease with Qaddafi's fall inaccurately?

And Maria, why would an article about Russia and Qaddafi have a photo of a different leader posing with him?
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by: Slava
October 26, 2011 19:15
"Eli", the article is propaganda for the reasons stated which you duck.
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by: Boris from: London
October 26, 2011 16:59
I hope the humanity will live to the day when Putin will be dragged out of Kremlin and thrown to the junkyard of history together with his Eurasian Union.
This is only remaining evil guy in power in the world. World leaders should join forces and do their utmost to this end.
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by: Slava
October 26, 2011 19:24
There's only one bad leader in the world Boris?

For valid reasons, Putin is popular in Russia in a way that the likes of Berezovsky aren't.
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by: Jack from: US
October 26, 2011 21:53
you forgot to sign your last name, Berezovskii

by: Jack from: US
October 25, 2011 16:24
"democratic" leader of Lybia? What a joke. NATO has installed murderous thugs and call them "democractic". Quadaffi was like Mother Teresa comparing to who are now "ruling" Lybia. But the good thing is, NATO will pay the price sooner or later. No vile deeds go unpunished. Just like US has paid the price on 9/11 for their support of Muslim terrorists in Bosnia and Kosovo and elsewhere. France will get its share
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by: Paul from: USA
October 26, 2011 12:36
Hey Jack,

I can tell Jack isn't from the good ole USA because he would know that Spell Check is a wonderful tool. What's the worse of two evils? What government would provide a more "democratic" opportunity for Libya? I do not approve of what they did to Qaddafi but I hope they get the rest of the family too. Mother Teresa was a saint which I can tell you know nothing of.
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by: JP from: Canada
November 20, 2011 23:11
HEY PAUL !

Which Planet you come from ? Do your home-work ! You said :What's the worst of two evils. I would say , if I had to choose between Obama and Gaddhafi, I would choose the latter. Look what this guy accomplish in 40 years as a Revolutionnary Leader, not a dictator as your US Media Propaganda says. But as a Leader he did a lot for the Libyans and as up to now 90 % of Libyans are behind Gaddhafi and not the NTC/NATO Terrorists.
This Country had a Direct Democracy compare to US False Democracy,. If you care to read his Green Book you migt understand what I mean by False Democracy, unless you are the kind of John Wayne's mindset.
Look of what kind of America your Dictator Obama is calling the shot for you 'The Land of the Free' , since 9/11 , Obama's dictatorship is thightening on the loose on the Home of the Brave with the Patriot Acts and several others acts that have been signed to close the lid on Freedom in your so called Democracy. If YOU cant see, Paul & cie, what's been going on in your country in the last 10 years especially with your Black Dictator, How can you make a fair judgement on Libya's Affairs and history or any other countryl ike Syria, Iraq, Iran, Barhain.

As some of your senators, as Ron Paul for example, the day USA will mind his own business and STOP sneaking on other countries' internal affairs, the rest of the world will be more safe. The same thing for UK and France by the way !

Get out of your SuperPower EGO Mindset, US' Imperialism, and join your brothers and sisters on this Planet Earth, to STOP WAR and IMPERIALISM, to put the lid on LIEs, FRAUDs, KILLINGs committed by YOUR Banksters and Israhell lobbying on YOUR Government/Con-gress/Wall Street/CIA Warmongers.

If YOU want a better World ,start to clean up your Backyard , Us of America , it's a BIG mess !


by: dwight
October 25, 2011 17:02
These people are weird (Russia and China), they do not share most of the common sense and human value like the rest of the sane world, whether for their own dirty ambition or they just simply are mentally chalenged.
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by: Anna from: St. Petersburg, Russia
October 25, 2011 20:01
Aren't those people who exhibited Gaddafi's dead body at a supermarket and took pictures with it mentally challenged? Or it's sharing common sense and human value as you put it?
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by: Slava
October 25, 2011 21:20
You're terribly minsinformed Dwight.

During Khadafy's last months, a greater carnage in Ivory Coast has been going on. Where's the humanitarian concern over that?

by: Ray F. from: Lawrence, KS
October 25, 2011 17:15
I watched Sunday evening’s news recap program on Russia’s Channel One (ORT) where they led with a 10-minute story on Libya and the fall of Qaddafi. It echoed many of the sentiments in this analysis. I suspect, however, that Kremlin leaders are less concerned about NATO trying to spark political change in Russia than with the mess NATO has helped to create in a leaderless Libya. Granted, Qaddafi was a corrupt leader, but was someone, that up until very recently, we could do business with (see joyous photos of C. Rice warmly shaking Qaddafi’s hand in Sep 08). Now that the tyrant is gone, perhaps peace and prosperity will bloom for the Libyan people. Early reports, however, suggest something less positive.

by: Paul from: Seattle, WA, USA
October 26, 2011 00:50
The Russians are a bunch of hypocrites! They cry foul play because the Geneva Convention was violated? They have no respect for human rights and it's very evident in their reluctance to allow political and religious rights. Putin is going to become the Russian President again so where's the democracy? How can they complain about anything? The only thing they care about is making the blood money and they do not care about how many innocent women and children are murdered in Burma, Communist China, Iran, Syria and or Tibet! I hope that they loose out on a lot of their Lybian contracts for not supporting the Lybian Freedom Fighters.
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by: Slava
October 26, 2011 07:12
No Pau -, the likes of yourself are the biggest hypocrites for reasons noted at this thread.
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by: Andrew from: Auckland
October 26, 2011 08:45
Lets see, did Russia respect the Geneva convention when:
1. Russia carpet bombed civilians in Grozny and every other major town in Chechnya

2. When Russians planned, enabled, and led ethnic cleansing in the two breakaway regions of Georgia, and one breakaway region of Moldovia

3. When Russians run "filtration" camps in Chechnya where civilians are subjected to rape, torture, and murder.

4. Russians view murdering rapists as heroes, such as Budyanov.

5. Russia has been responsible for may of the worst crimes of the 20th and now 21st century. Russians as a culture have no respect for human rights, other ethnic groups, or even basic human decency.

Slava, I bet you are one of those morons who cheers every time a Chechen or Dagesh or Ingush gets shot in the back of the head by the criminals who run the FSB (and Russia in general).

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by: Slava
October 26, 2011 13:07
Andrew, your idiotic anti-Russian comments are a low level highlight of the kind of crap that's out there.

One very telling example is how you suggest that anyone opposing Russians is correct.

On supporting dubious breakaway regions, Kosovo serves as a prime example.

Russian culture has much to be proud of.

It's quite easy to highlight the flaws of some other nations.

I'm not interested in getting into a stupid pissing contest with you. Frankly, you're quite boring and not particularly bright.
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by: Paul from: USA
October 26, 2011 16:52
America is not perfect and we definitely have our problems but we work them out. One civil war was enough for my country. We do not allow thugs or government approved murdering of peace activists to encourage democratic change. I love my country and love Russian culture and history. The Russian people are beautiful and charismatic. The Russian have suffered through Lenin, Hitler, Stalin and Putin. They deserve better. But, one thing that truly separates our two peoples is the interpretation of what freedom and democracy is. From your statements, many of us can identify that you don't know anything about real freedom. Living in Russia, Chechnya, Burma, Iran, Syria, Tibet and Communist China is not freedom nor are the governments democratic.
Russia is complaining about how Qaddafi was killed and all of the $Trillions of blood money dollars that they and Communist China are losing because Qaddafi is gone. What does Russia, Communist China and the Nazis know about the Geneva Convention and basic human rights? Russia doesn’t mention anything about the tens of thousands of innocent freedom loving men, women and children that are continually being raped, kidnapped and murdered in their designed and financed state of Chechnya. Now, who’s the hypocrite? It’s really easy for you to ridicule the good ole USA but when was the last time did you see ever Russian or Communist Chinese ships and helicopters deliver aid to trapped families during the Pakistani earthquake or rescue drowning children in the Indonesia tsunami? I can tell that you must got your kind of freedom from either through corruption or through the barrel of a gun.
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by: Slava
October 26, 2011 19:20
You bet that others are far from perfect Paul.

This includes how the likes of RFE/RL and yourself selectively highlight certain actions.

The opposing views are adding what you all leave out.

Libyan rebel racists lynching Blacks:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/25/lynching-black-africans-in-libya/

by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
October 26, 2011 10:51
THE HUMANS IN POWER USURPE POWER AND ACT AS
HYPOCRITS, IF THEY CAN - ONLY BALLANCE OF POWER
MAKES THEM ACT CIVILIZED-LIKE AND NOBLE-LIKE,
WEST AND EAST:

The Russia, UK and Bechtel had a secret pact in 1954-56
Resurect colonial empires of Russians, Germans and Brits.
They turned on nations, like Hungary and Georgia, than fixed
All CIS (USSR), invaded Afghanistan, turned against Republics,
And, not withstanding CIS victory, still choke neighboring states.

The fresh breath of air of "Rose" and 'Orange" peacefull change
Was labeled "revolutions" - and now same imperial resurectors,
Britain and Russia arguing about the "Muslim color revolutions",
lead by some misterious coordinated armies - old leaders dead,
New leader still not quite known - fleecing grabbed acheivemnts?

What is the use of last half Century of rebuilding to a modern level
Countries, once very pure, only to be overthrown by broptherhoods
Of new races of breeders and insurgents, robbed off royalties well
And murdered, or tried along with families and tribes like hoods?
The crowds of a multitude deviding the belongings of creators...

My intellectual property expropriated and I am in pain amplifiers
Of East and West. All that devoted their life to make World better
Lying in dust, rephrasing Nostradamus: "...cut down tree-trunks,
Property for taking, families with cut throats in bushes of grapes."
While imperial resurectors put on spheres of influences butter.

He sertainly was a bad guy, as those that put-on guys like him...
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by: Slava
October 26, 2011 13:09
Konstantin, what do you smoke and/or drinkI?
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by: Konstantin from: LKos Angeles
October 26, 2011 19:02
Dragged are you, with non-curable desese that you got with milk
of your Mother Russia - not me.
There is no fame ("Slava" in Russ.) in you, Slava.
You are no more than the one of the last "Slava" to a hero
That Kremlin gave as medal for murdering president of Afghanistan
in his palace and started Rusian treacherous invasion-genocide.
The arrogant medalized "hero" was spitting from hate at his victim's name:
"Supostat!"

So are you - prizing Russia and its proxies, while spitting on its critics.
Kadafy bought lately from everybody to soften his "terrorist" image.
He was killed because this vawe of pseudo-revolutions, forever was
behind it, redistribute the wealth that was built by the governments that
followed process of decolonization of the Third World countries, looking
for even shorter way than in Egipt and to please right of vengance of
the British that lead the millitary intervention.

I wrote it long before you about Saddam, Milosovich and others.
Getting instructions from Russian plagiarists what to write?
What legally? They just murdered Milosovich for trying to explain that
Serbia was ultimated by secret pact of imperial resurectors, Russia,
Britain and Germano-Austria, to act as they did, they even trained Serb's
Special Forces by British and Gernmans!

Andrew is too soft on your Russia, "Slava"!
You have no culture, but only:
"proudly return home with medals on the chest of criminal blatnoy"
and call your victims by bad names.
It isn't "flaws of some other nations", but Russia, since Varanga invaded
Eastern Europe and Russia with total desecration and genocide!

You even stole from one of my last comments on "Free Europe"
the idea to call one "boring" and mediocre, only in reverse -
I said it about lying gang of Russian spies - you pinning it on a honest
and intelligent individual!
Why wouldn't you just scream every time at non-Russians like
Pushkin, Russian Efiopa:
"Supostaty! Mazepy"

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by: Slava
October 27, 2011 04:50
For your own sake, get help Konstantin.

by: Denis
October 26, 2011 12:26
Lybia case is just another lesson to any country willing to be independent: never trust the West, develop nukes, buy more weapon. Thanks God, Russia learnt this lesson as early as NATO's bombing Serbia. Putin just became a response to the challenge. Anyone in the world who can analize more that 140 symbols understand that every time the West "protects" someone much more deaths happens.
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by: Slava
October 26, 2011 19:27
For now, the stooges appear to have the upper hand in Libya. They include key people who only recently turned against Khadaffy, as well as some others with suspect backgrounds.

by: AJ from: USA
October 26, 2011 18:41
Mr. Putin did not speak when thousands of defenseless civilians were massacred, and that makes him an accomplice. The US and its allies did not stand still when they saw a wrong and sought to correct it. A recent report shows that young people who had opposed the dictator were murdered by his agents and were kept in the morgue for over 20 years. Although I certainly do not condone lawlessness, one has to realize that the atrocities committed by Guaddafi has made it emotionally impossible for the rebels to control themselves when they caught him. No one wants to see a human being suffer, including a dictator and it is regrettable. But who lives by the sword dies by the sword.
The Soviet Empire has gone down, and now its little worn out satallites are falling into the Abyss one by one. The age of freedom for all peoples is at hand...accept it Mr. Putin.
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by: Slava
October 27, 2011 04:48
Nonsense AJ.

How do you explain the comparative lack of Western concern in Ivory Coast, where a greater carnage was occurring at the time of the unrest in Libya?

In Kosovo, the leading Western nations are essentially backing a nationalist regime in a territory with considerable crime that extends worldwide.

The current regime in Libya includes some dubious folks.

There's plenty of hypocrisy. Russia is far from having a monopoly on such manner.
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by: Andrew from: Auckland
October 27, 2011 12:29
You mean the 4 month stand off between Gbagbo and the actual winner of the election Ouattara?

You are a retard Averko/Slava, the fighting lasted a couple of weeks, and including the post election violence around 1500 to 3,000 were killed.

Most of us did notice it, it was headline news, and the UN authorised military action to protect civilians (and assist Ouattara) in that case too. UN peackeepers took part in the operations against Gbagbo's forces. In this case both air force, and ground troops.

Get a life Averko, you have no idea of reality whatsoever.
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by: AJ from: USA
October 27, 2011 12:34
Your reply, Slava, does not necessarily contradict what I said. The particular question we are dealing with is whether Russia's Putin is justified in his reaction to the killing of the former Lybian dictator and his criticism of the media, and my answer is that he is not, although I do not condone summary execution. The Soviet Union has supported dictatorships, like Lybia, that are fading away and it is beyond Russia's control. That was my point.
This does not mean that France and other western countries are actually supporting other freedom movements that threaten their interests. Duh..of course not. France was the prime supporter of Ben Ali of Tunisia, and they had no choice but to accept the revolution of the Tunsian people. Egypt's current military hunta is no different. The contradictions are there. Nevertheless, I do believe that the U.S with Obama as president and European countries in general have made a lot of correct decisions which I think are based on the realization that it is in the best interest of the U.S. not to interfere with these movements or to support them to a certain extent, without being perceived as an occupier after the Iraq war.
I am no fan of several western nations, but I think so far their positions with respect to Lybia and Syria are solid in comparison to the passiveness of Russia and China. Ask the regular Lybian or Syrian on the street, and they will tell you the same thing. Please also bear in my mind that Syria is also one of the old little pawns that the old Soviet Union had. So, I expect the same position to be taken by the west and Russia at this time concerning what is going on there. Thank you for your honest reply.
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by: Slava
October 27, 2011 13:20
AJ,

Things aren't as stacked as RFE/RL and a dope like Andrew suggest.

Putin has a valid point about those glorying in the way Khaddafy was treated. There're many folks who've suffered for reasons related to the foreign policy actions of Western nations.

Selective justice is bogus.

As for looking at the past, consider the 1970s, Cold War era period when the US downplayed the greater rights abuses in China and Romania, when compared to what was going on in the USSR at the time.

"Humanitarian intervention" is geopolitical BS.

by: Alex from: Moscow
October 27, 2011 19:55
What rights do I not have in Russia? What freedoms do we miss? People can go anywhere inside and outside the country. Everyone can speak openly for and against the state leaders in very strong language. A strong leader is people's choice, there is no doubt in it. Every independent poll shows high ratings of current leaders. The protests collect a dosen of protestors and hundred of reporters to bring the event to the front pages. I have impression that Western commentors here receive their information about Russia from such mass media.
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by: Shay Dismay from: USA
October 27, 2011 22:38
What about Russia's ridiculous propiska and registration laws, is that not a restriction? And how can one trust opinion poles in a police state? Why are the Kremlin so determined to keep the Legitimate opposition from appearing on Russia's TV screens, what is Putin afraid of allowing the Russisn people from hearing?
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by: AJ from: USA
October 28, 2011 00:43
Slava,
The view that a country A has an obligation to protect the rights of the people of country B is quite misplaced I think. It is evident that countries operate based only one basis--self-interest. Why should they act otherwise. Issues of morality or legal issues concerning equal justice are no longer relevant once you go beyond your borders. This is actually a view that the US Supreme Court has adopted. Looking at it from the standpoint of the outsider in country B who is oppressed in his own goverment, he has no other choice. Either he can assert his rights against his own oppressor, or he can cross over to country A. When Country A does intervene to assist the outsider in country B both those in country A and the outsider in country B do call it "humanitarian intervention." As cynical as this may sound, I believe it is the rules of the games, and as any other game, if you do not know the rules, you always lose.
In sum, I think that pinpointing where each country's interest lie is a good start to start a revolution in other oppressed countries. It has always been that way, but it has taken different forms before. With respect to Kaddafi, Assad, Ben Ali, and others, who have murdered the innocent, I hope they are consigned to hell for ever.
Thank you for your time!
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by: AJ from: USA
October 28, 2011 11:22
I really do not approve of these negative comments about what rights the Russians have, and I dissociate myself from them. If you did not visit the country and did not conduct your research in an objective manner, you are only adding to the prejudices and biases created by the cold war. Besides, what is good for one culture may not be good for another. I also think that name calling in these comments is not productive and creates more division among people of different countries who are supposed to come together to exchange ideas and be open-minded. We are presumably just regular folks and we need to talk about the human condition and how to improve it in our own little ways. By the same token, one cannot become defensive about his own country and should share the information that can educate others. Self-criticism is also good.
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by: Roman from: New England
November 10, 2011 23:46
What rights are missed by Russian People?

Well, lets see, many Chechnya and Ingushetia do not have their rights and freedoms respected nor protected!

Being as how they are citizens, thought not by choice of Russia, and their oil resources are being stolen from them by Russia, their rights and freedoms should be protected by Russia, not trampled.

For instance Yuri Budanov's three privates raping an 18 year old girl by the name of Elza Kungaeva, ..........

the assasinations of Anna Politkovskaya, and Alexander Litvinenko, as well as Estemirova and the Human Rights Lawyer defending and representing claims of innocent women and children in the Northern Causcaus!

And finally real democracies don't go and put political opponents behind bars without having caught them breaking some law,.....example Khodorkovsky!

Care to spread anymore propaganda about how nice things are for people in Russia, cause you are well on your way to writing some novel which is really an alternate reality, there Alex.

Before you continue, why don't you explain the Soldier in this situation?

Russian 'Slave-Labor' Soldier Charged With Desertion
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by: Roman from: New England
November 10, 2011 23:47
Russian 'Slave-Labor' Soldier Charged With Desertion

Andrei Popov claims to have been held for years as a slave laborer in a brick factory.
October 31, 2011
SARATOV, Russia -- A Russian soldier who claims he spent more than a decade in forced labor has been officially charged with desertion, RFE/RL's Russian Service reports.

Andrei Popov went missing 11 years ago while serving his mandatory two-year military service in the Tatishchev military garrison in Russia's southwestern region of Saratov.

Popov reappeared in his native town of Yershov in mid-August saying he had been kidnapped in 2000 and held for years as a slave laborer in a brick factory in Daghestan in the North Caucasus.

He was detained on suspicion of desertion, but released several days later and sent to a local military unit to continue his military service while his case was investigated.

Saratov officials announced on October 31 that the investigation is at an end. Popov has been charged with desertion, and the case has been sent to a local court. If he is convicted of desertion, he faces up to seven years in prison.

Lidiya Sviridova, chairwoman of the Saratov branch of the Union of Soldiers' Mothers, told RFE/RL that the investigation aimed to incriminate Popov from the very beginning.

She said the investigators did everything they could to "prove that Popov is guilty, but did not investigate the case in an unbiased way."

"If the case was closed, the government should have paid Popov millions of rubles as a compensation for the wrong accusations and investigations against him, and therefore, in order to avoid that, the investigators took into consideration only the evidence that proves Popov's guilt," Sviridova said.

In accordance with Russian law, Popov will face trial 10 days after the day he was charged.
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by: Roman from: New England
November 10, 2011 23:48
Thankyou so much for all of your communist propaganda, and the beginnings of your alternate reality novel on how great life is in Russia

where Russia's space ship did not just crash to the ground a couple months ago in Kazakstan,

and where Lake Baikall was not poisoned by some paper mill,

and where a submarine crew of 118 aboard a Kursk submarine did not all dround, because President Putin agreed to have an international rescue of the Russian Navy men, instead of ......what actually happened!

Save the communist propaganda for someone who likes alternate reality nonsence, there Alex. Good luck with your Faery tales! Ciao-

May God bless and keep all the people who waste their time on Russian Communist Poppycock, and Putanism which promotes the Russian Sex Traffickers, and the sex trafficking of Ramzan Kadyrov......may God keep people who waste their time, from Satan's snares, and improve the human rights situation for the victims of genocide in Chechnya, Ingushetia, and the Northern Causcaus, in Jesus' name. Amen.

by: KLA from: NJ
October 28, 2011 02:08
wow Slava, why dont you refresh your memory by reading some background informations about Miloshevic, Arkan and four wars they started and lost in Tito's Yugoslavia and not to mentioned that they killed over 200,000 civilians and destroyed three countries. And lastly perhaps you might see why NATO bombed Serbia and helped Kosovo. When people like you will wake up and REALIZE that Soviet Union is gone forever and get used to that fact you no longer are super power. Move on help your own people, Russia's natality is the worst in the world. More man die from alcohol related deaths than Afghan fiasco in 1980s. Move on Slava move on with tolerant and democratic world.
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by: Slava
October 28, 2011 13:32
You're the one in need of greater research regarding the wars of the last decade in former Yugoslavia.

If NATO were consistent, they would've supported the PKK against Turkey, instead of doing the opposite.

The point being that the repackaged KLA has a terrorist side, with present day Kosovo having a noticeable degree of organized crime and poverty, despite massive amounts of Western aid.
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by: Andrew from: Auckland
October 30, 2011 11:45
Sounds like Serbia too.

Of course Averko/Slava is a well known genocide denier.
He is not a particularly well educated person either.

And he is ridiculed by historians, the UN etc.
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by: Slava
November 02, 2011 00:43
The major dope here is Andrew with his perverted obsessions for certain people and issues.

Along with some others who're knowlegeable and earnest, I'm aware of crock historians and bogus UN reports - the kind of which Andrew is prone to passing off as accurate.
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by: Andrew from: Auckland
November 12, 2011 09:25
Earnest?! You?!

What a laugh Averko/Slava, you are widely ridiculed by historians, the UN and actual, intelligent, educated people, particularly those that witnessed the events in question.

You are a repulsive supporter of rabid nationalism, racism, rape and mass murder.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Unfortunately you have no conscience
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by: Slava
November 21, 2011 08:02
If I lacked a conscience, yours truly wouldn't be the opposite of the sleazy likes of yourself.
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