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The Truth-Teller: Natasa Kandic, Urging Serbs To Face The Past

"The main impression...after being 15 minutes in her presence is that she is not frightened," a colleague says of Natasa Kandic (above).
"The main impression...after being 15 minutes in her presence is that she is not frightened," a colleague says of Natasa Kandic (above).
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By Daisy Sindelar
Natasa Kandic has been the frequent target of death threats and vicious pressure campaigns. But the 60-something lawyer still rides the public bus every day to work.

She says it gives her a valuable chance to talk to ordinary people -- fans and critics alike.

For Kandic, who has spent the past two decades defending war victims and challenging the Serbian elite to face up to the crimes of the past, the thirst for dialogue outweighs any sense of fear.

"I'm a human rights activist and it's my choice in life," she says. "I was afraid only once, after Kosovo independence, because the media and ordinary people were invited by the state institutions to be against me because I showed that I support Kosovo independence. But no, I'm not afraid. I'm only very concerned regarding the situation in Serbia."

Kandic is the founder of the Humanitarian Law Center in Belgrade, one of the foremost human rights organizations engaged in peace and reconciliation efforts in the Balkans.

Founded in 1992, the center has sought to document and prosecute cases of rape, torture, and murder committed during the brutal ethnic wars that rocked the former Yugoslavia between 1991 and 1999.

First-Hand Reporting

Kandic is widely credited with providing critical evidence on Serbia's role in the 1995 Srebrenica massacre of Bosnian Muslim men and boys.

Her release of a video documenting the Scorpions, a Serbian paramilitary group, executing six Bosnian Muslims eventually led to the delivery of the Srebrenica masterminds -- Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic and his military commander, Ratko Mladic -- to the UN war crimes tribunal in The Hague.
Is it normal to appoint a general who didn't prevent those crimes? The government should answer that."

Kandic is also cited for reporting first-hand on atrocities committed by Serbian forces against ethnic Albanian civilians during the war in Kosovo in 1998-99. Summary executions, arbitrary detentions, and widespread looting were all reported in Kosovo during what was characterized as a Serbian ethnic cleansing campaign aimed at burying an independence drive in the restive province.

Serbia reluctantly initiated domestic war crimes trials in 2003 to address allegations of Serbian atrocities. Sian Jones, a Balkans researcher with Amnesty International, says Kandic has been instrumental in persuading Kosovar victims to testify against their Serbian attackers.

"Advocating for the end to impunity for war crimes in Serbia is an extremely difficult task, and there are people within the elite and within political society and elsewhere who would rather she did not do that," Jones says. "And she's done that amid very, very difficult circumstances, and with an enormous amount of opposition."

'Is It Normal?'

Kandic's latest battle has caused some of the fiercest opposition yet.
Ljubisa Dikovic, Serbia's new army chief of staff
Ljubisa Dikovic, Serbia's new army chief of staff
Citing Hague testimony, the lawyer last week claimed that Serbia's new army chief of staff, Ljubisa Dikovic, is unfit for the post because of alleged war crimes -- including the Izbica massacre of at least 130 Kosovar Albanian men -- committed under his watch as a commanding officer during the Kosovo campaign.

Kandic acknowledges that Dikovic and his army units may not have played a direct role in the killings. His transgression, she argues, was in failing to prevent them.

"Is it normal to appoint a general who didn't prevent those crimes?" she asks. "The government should answer that."

Serbian officials have roared back, with Defense Minister Dragan Sutanovac calling Kandic's claims "monstrous" and war crimes prosecutor Vladimir Vukcevic lashing out at the Humanitarian Law Center for what he characterized as an anti-Serbia stance.

Kandic admits to being "surprised" at the vehemence of the response. But she's far from intimidated. If Serbia is to build a promising future, she says, it has to start by taking an honest look at its past.  

"If we want changes, if we want a democratic future, if we want to see Serbia as a member of the European Union," Kandic says, "it means that we need new people who will take responsibility for past abuses and base the future on the need to respect victims, and to try to organize everything in a way that pays attention to the victims for their suffering and their need for justice."

Relying On The Truth

Kandic's notoriety at home stands in sharp contrast to the numerous human rights awards and accolades from global watchdogs like Amnesty and Human Rights Watch.

But even at home, Kandic has her admirers. Sandra Orlovic, the deputy executive director of the Humanitarian Law Center, was a young law graduate when she joined Kandic's team in 2004.

The first thing she learned from her formidable boss, she says, was that "we need to rely on facts, on the truth about what happened in the former Yugoslavia."

"She continued to be present in Kosovo and to document all the horrible things that had happened there," Orlovic says. "The main impression of Natasa after being 15 minutes in her presence is that she is not frightened, and that she will risk everything for the truth for her victims and their rights."
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by: Anonymous
February 02, 2012 13:05
A voice of reason in Serbia? Finally some hope!
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by: zman from: Belgrade
February 02, 2012 18:48
You guys are clueless..

Kandic is a NATO propagandsit.. She gets her money from George Soros. SHe is there to spout anti-Serbian propaganda.. She NEVER condemned that NATO slaughter in 1999, because guess what?? She was getting money from NATO at time from NATO was bombing.. She NEVER condemned the ethnic cleansing of serbs from Croatia in 1995 of 500,000. She never condemned NAser ORic and the slaughter of 4-5 thousands Serbs in Srebrenica..

There is here benefactor Soros.

http://files.myopera.com/scout2000/blog/soros1zg6.png

She is a proven liar serbia because she has said so many other thigns that turned out to be lies and she has slandered so many politicans not on NATO payroll and she got sued several times..

http://files.myopera.com/scout2000/blog/soros1zg6.png

That's her master Soros feeding her the anti-Serbian scripts she is so good at.
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by: Frank
February 03, 2012 02:14
Zman

No small wonder why RFE/RL spins such a line.

Kandic is proof positive of the Quisling who goes against the legitimate interests of his/her ethnic group (in this case Serbs).

RFE/RL is hypocritical as shown by its very low tolerance of posting articles offering a valid and different view from the kind of inaccurately one-sided crap getting favored.

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by: Mark from: Oz
February 06, 2012 00:43
So far, all I can read from the anti-Kandic brigade is an ad-hominen attack with emotional descriptions such as:
- lies
- NATO propaganda
- anti-Serbian
- Soros associate

However very little is presented to refute her assertions with facts and principles with references. This strengthens the credibility of this woman in my mind.

Even if she was an internationalist or foreign "agent", there is still the issues she raises and for those that want a society with law and order imbued with Christian humanism, these issues still need to be addressed.
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by: Frank
February 10, 2012 14:10
Mark,

You don't raise anything to refute the reasonably premised negativity about her.

Specifically, she's very mute on the otherwise noticeably unjust acts committed against Serbs by some non-Serb nationalists.

by: vn from: Belgrade
February 02, 2012 14:03
Some food for thought:

Verite sans peur - Truth without fear.
Magna est veritas et praevalebit - Truth is mighty and will prevail.
Le vrai n'est pas toujours vraisemblable - Truth is not always probable; truth is stranger than fiction.
Per troppo dibatter la verita si perde - By too much debating truth is lost (or obscured).
Veritas nunquam perit - Truth never dies.
Veritas vincit - Truth conquers.

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by: Abdulmajid
February 02, 2012 14:36
And what is the truth, according to you?
Is it what Karadzic says? Vojislav Seselj? Dobrica Cosic? Njegos? Or ist it what the whole world could see and the whole world knows?
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by: vn from: Belgrade
February 02, 2012 19:54
Are you, Abdul, the representative of the whole world in your story, or would you consider the CNN and their gross mannered reporter with the heaviest make-up I've ever seen in war reporting, the representatives of the objective truth?

Or do those tragic events represent the greatest tragedy of distorted propaganda heedless of the ensuing repercussions of which they had been continually warned about but kept turning the deaf ear to? Oh, was the light O.K.? Maybe she should have turned to the left a little ... Jesus ... Were they deaf to the words: "You (scum, idiots ...) are going to cause a civil war ... right now we are going to take so and so many artillery guns from the Yugoslav Army and if you don't do something about the paramilitary Muslim formations A.S.A.P. we're going to bring that high-rise building (see that one) D O W N !!! They were telling the truth, and kept their promise every single time. There have been many deaf foreign people in former Yugoslavia. It seems that diabetes is a widespread occurence in the EU as well.

If I am not mistaken, the first two characters in your question are now at the UN Tribunal in the Hague. A number of other Serbs have either died or been killed in the same institution.

The writers have given their try at depicting the world surrounding them. I still haven't made a memorable sententia on the subject of truth.
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by: Frank
February 03, 2012 02:16
VN

That Abdul dude is a pro-Bosnian Muslim nationalist extremist, who reguklarly exhibits a lack of objectivity and overall ethics.
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by: Felipe Muñoz from: Santiago
February 03, 2012 05:36
Kandic is one-sided. She have just worked to 'unveil' the 'truth' of just the serbian crimes.. but what about the thinks croats, bosniaks, bosnian-croats did wrong in that war??... If she wants the truth to prevail, play fairly.. and investigate ALL CRIMES commited by ALL SIDES of the conflict... In the meantime, you Kandic smells like another Pro-NATO, Pro-Berlin propagandist.. paid by western ignorants and 'hippies' in Brussels... People who dont know about conflict, but nothing more than being feed with propaganda.
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by: Frank
February 03, 2012 15:14
"The Truth teller" is more like a liar with her inaccurately one-sided stances that are disingenuously portrayed by RFE/RL.

The above piece is arguably worse than how Pravda would present Angela Davis and Gus Hall.

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by: zman from: Belgrade
February 03, 2012 13:58
Frank..

It's not so much of contracting views it's that she is a LIAR.. Serbs did NOT commit genocide in Srebrenica.. That's just a hoax.. The kosovo albanians were fleeing their houses because of the NATO bombing and the ground war between the KLA and the Serbian military..

She just lies, she is the most hated person in Serbia. No one EVER cites here as source for anything even the Serbs haters know she is a total fraud and dont bother to use her as source.
But yet RFE(funded by Soros and the US of course) using her as a source is obviously predicatable.

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by: demon from: UK
February 16, 2012 10:09
Typical Belgrade drivel. Still no progress. Must try harder dunce.
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by: Frank
February 20, 2012 12:08
Like some of the neolib and neocon leaning hucksters in the West?

A creepy thought.
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by: dodo from: usa
February 28, 2012 02:35
When hearing this serbian nationalist dribble, all I can say is that the justice will eventually come and fortunately serbian national paranoia will from now on hurt mostly serbs. If serbian people do not wake up and prosecute criminals in their mist, the whole serbian nation will continue the economic, intelectual, populational and geographic decline until there is nothing left of it. People like Kandic is their only hope and they don't get it.

by: Blackbird from: California
February 02, 2012 21:41
Kandic is a monstrous liar, a one-sided humanitarian -- she will only defend the side on which her bread is buttered and so she will defend anybody so long as they're not Serbian. She understands her boss Soros's instructions well! She has for a long time made a living out of dreaming up victims of Serbs, and as was already said, she has been caught in many lies.

The simple-minded or naive might call her "courageous" but it is the false courage that comes from no conscience. She is unafraid to speak her mind much like Ebenezer Scrooge in A Christmas Carol before he acquired a conscience. Kandic feigns to care about the non-materialistic in life when the opposite is true and she supports herself by selling out her own people for things they haven't even done. I wouldn't mind her being a real conscience for Serbia (no one claims that Serbs were angels any more than the Croats or Muslims), but she is only the hangman for Serbia as she doesn't give a toss about what was perpetrated on the Serbs in the past two decades, or before.

This shameless monster should have been cut down to size long ago, and it therefore speaks volumes about the high level of tolerance exhibited by the Serbian people in that they allow her to spew her venom whenever she wants. She's a revolting creature but she lives well among those she falsely accuses whenever her chain is pulled. I think she gets a little rush out of it. The rest over there have learned to take her with a pinch of salt and know her for the immoral sellout she is. If anything, I've seen them regarding Kandic as a weird phenomenon, impossible for a normal person with honest values to comprehend.
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by: Frank
February 03, 2012 02:21
The situation in Serbia today is ironic with her likes (Biserko being another vile creep) doing better than a good number of earnest advocates - like the ones noting the inaccurately one-sided anti-Serb propaganda pieces run by RFE/RL and some others.

In the US, this kind of one-sided crap is premised on how a number of hucksters like Roy Gutman were rewarded for spinning a certain line. Fessing up to their faulty ways doesn't appear likely from them.

TALK ABOUT FACING THE PAST!
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by: anonymous from: Pittsburgh, U.S.
February 03, 2012 16:00
Interesting opinions on a complicated topic- let's hope for more
clarifications in the future- Per aspera ad astra ( through the
thorns to the stars)...

by: vn from: Belgrade
February 03, 2012 17:06
In the light of a Day of Reckoning as proposed by the so called "truth-tellers", but more of "monstrous liars", here are some things to be reckoned with in the near future: Croatia, the axle of evil that had been brewing in Bosnia and Serbia in the form of the British "The Fifth Child"-like UN environment, Hungarian "son of a smoking gun", and their more than successful cover up of the case of the Dutch with the UN in Srebrenica. They have been on the side of the Muslims and the fascist Croatian propagators for far too long. We are waiting ... Take your time ...

by: Abdulmajid
February 03, 2012 18:58
Yeah, yeah... of course, Natasa Kandic, like me, does not subscribe to the Njegos/Garasanin/Dobrica Cosic/Seselj/Karadzic Greater Serbia narrative, so of cooourse she must be evil, a traitor...and since I share her view and think that she, as well as Sonja Biserko and Cedomir Jovanovic represent the side of Serbia which is not fascist, bigot and racist, I must be evil besides being a Mooslim in the bargain, #1enemy of mankind...put me right up there with Osama bin Laden. And the poor sods who were murdered at Srebrenica and all over Bosnia? the 50.000 raped Bosniak women? "Yeah, that's terrible", the serbofascists say, "but it's tough luck for them, it's their own fault, why didn't they return to Orthodox Christianity, why did they try to oppose us, and besides that it is the Serbs' good right to take revenge for wrongs of the past and to take all land where Serbs live or lived...Muslim rebels, jihadists blah blah blah...Bosnia as basis for Eurabia" and all that idiot stupid evil propaganda lies (which Anders Behring Breivik believed too and he did on a smaller and individual scale what Karadzic did before) and since they don't have anything to stand of they must repeat them always and resort to insult and slander, like calling me a "boring idiot" "sleaze" or "Bosnian ultranationalist" (ah, but being a Serb ultranationalist is good, right?) and they get very upset when I call them genocidals (which is my good right in view of not only what they did to Bosniaks four times in the 20th century but also of their statements and writings in which they clearly announce their intention to commit genocide.) And they want me to applaud the declared enemies of my people and to subscribe to my enemies' point of view?? Are they stupid or what? And yes, I do have to admit that I love it when they respond that way. Their blind rage only shows all their despair and their fear of Muslims. It delights me to see the serbofascist bigot genocidals so infuriated. It tells me that I'm right, and those on whose info I base my view of the Bosnian War too. Since they know that in the end they will have to let go of Kosova and of the Serb-occupied half of Bosnia. And abandon all dreams of Greater Serbia, or as they like to present it to us, "Serbo-Slavia" Or was it "Jugo-Srbija"? Anyway, if the Bosniaks had, in 1992, done as Mahatma Gandhi and Ibrahim Rugova did (offer only peaceful resistance), then the Serbs would have simply killed more than double of what they did and destroyed Bosnia utterly. All right, there were Bosniak war criminals too, and I'm no friend of Naser Oric's, but the Serbs committed more than 90% of the war crimes and they are the aggressor, so that changes nothing. Don't try to convince me otherwise, I know what the Reconquista and the subsequent ethnic cleansing of Spain of its Muslims was like. Exactly the same things happened in Bosnia, the only diference is the language and the weapons used. I know what Noel Malcolm, Dr. Marko Attila Hoare and Tim Judah have to say on the Western Balkans. I have the testimonies of Ed Vulliamy, David Rieff, of the survivors of Srebrenica. Nobody can convince me that the genocide against Bosniaks which happened all over Bosnia but most egregious at Foca and Visegrad, in Omarska, Vilina Vlas and Srebrenica is just an invention.Nobody should try to convince me that the Bosniaks "only got what was coming at them", or that they had to be preventively liquidated in order to eliminate the "jihadist menace to Europe". I have read Ivo Andric. I know what Njegos "Gorski Vijenac" is about, and "Lepa sela lepo gore". So no chetnik friend need to try and peddle his version of the story to me because it has as much credibility as what David Irving says about the Holocaust
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by: jpmaher from: Chicago
February 04, 2012 01:41
1492: Muslims were ordered to convert or be expelled. If they had stayed, Spain would be as empty of Christians TODAY as the once Christian and Jewish Maghreb. For Egypt's Coptic minority Christmas is not a Yule tree with candles, but church in flames. That's what Njegos meant. Doesn't the Talmud say if you know a killer is coming to get you, it is a sin not to get him first. C'est la guerre...
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by: Anonymous
February 04, 2012 07:23
Are you that uneducated to compare a medival Montenegrin writer Njegos to a modern anti-Serb propagonist?

The pure fact she's alive proves that Serbs are very tolerant people! How about you Bosnians face with your war crimes? Or the Croats or the Albanians?

Supprised you never mention that, ofcourse you'll describe it as necesarry for mujaheedins to butcher a whole school of "infidel" or " kaurin " Serbs?
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by: vn from: Belgrade
February 04, 2012 08:31
To: Abdulmajid

You must be more than a century old, Abdulmajid, to claim to know what the Reconquista was like. Are we still in some Spanish war or what? When you wake up in the middle of the night do you ever ask yourself what year this is? And just what do you say? "Good midnight?" The same goes for your blood line - Biserko, Kandic, ... The regular Europeans don't have such evil in their veins.

Comparing yourselves to the great minds of Njegos, Gandhi, you'd probably put Tesla in, and other writers and leaders is an outright insult to the mankind in general, and to the Serbs. You don't seem to notice that you keep throwing insults, are making rude statements and offenses in Bosnia against the Serbs, in Montenegro, and right here in the center of Belgrade. Your lot lacks nothing. You delight and have a time of your life by sucking the blood out of the Serbian refugees from Croatia, locally displaced people from Kosovo, and out of the citizens of Serbia. You pathetic scumbags, with Medals of Honour from Croatia, Bosnia/Islamic terroristic lot, etc. Why don't you all leave Belgrade and Serbia for good, and some of you could go to Zagreb, or better still to your place of birth - Knin, and say you're Croatian!

To disapprove with your harassments and to reiterate: the Bosniaks do not exist as a nation. It's a possibility, to become feasible only after a few hundred years. At the moment, there are three different groups of people who need to consolidate first and live alone in their respective groups peacefully, and then after some time, they might decide to either join their native nations or to live together in Bosnia. By your or the NGO's horrendous jihaddist rantings no part of former Yugoslavia will come to peace.

Fortunatelly, your climaxes are just around the corner and your time is up. No young blood is going to follow your mad, drugged up, ignorant ways.

Your opinions stand in outright opposition to Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. Have you noticed that?

The Islamist fanatics had started a war. And where did they do that? Of all the places in the world - they chose Yugoslavia. What do you pro-Muslim/Islamist terrorist idiots think - that the Serbian nation, with largest population in former Yugoslavia, was going to sit down, not use the Army and be either killed or go to slavery under the Muslims? It was the most powerful Army in southern Europe, and yes, if you resort to paramilitary formations and start getting smuggled arms from your proxies and sponsors, want to make a war - you might expect the following scenario: if you go for a kill and kill somebody, somewhere along the way, you can get killed as well.

It is the Muslims and your f..... UN/NGOs who are to be blamed for the war in Bosnia.

The sad, abusive title of the Humanitarian Law Center. It has nothing to do with the term humanitarian. A sociologist claiming to be a lawyer, and sometimes she's a psychologist. A "non-profit" organization with funds measured in millions of euros/USD in an economically devastated country. It's a plain lunatic insanity.

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by: Abdulmajid
February 05, 2012 18:42
You obtusely repeat the same Karadzic /Seselj/Dobrica Cosic blah blah and genocide denial. Repeating them over and over doers not make them any truer, and your blind visceral rage only shows your hatred of Muslims. For what other reason would you deny us balije the right to exist? And in that respect you lot are as medeival as the Catholic Kings and their followers in Spain were in 1492. Besides that, what the Spannish Muslims in the Middle Ages were, that's what the Bosniaks are today. Indigenous European Muslims who are being prosecuted for being what they are. What you lot did in Bosnia can only be compared to what Gengis Khan did. But you will never get a second chance and yu will have to give up on your redoubt in Bosnia eventually. The Cross will NEVER chase the Crescent out of Bosnia. And if you so do wish for a rematch with us balije next time arounds it will be YOU, not us, who will get the wrong end of the stick.
And as for Natasa Kandic...well, I can say that many opponents of Hitler are still reviled by old and new German and other Nazis. But just like Stauffenberg, history will give her, and Sonja Biserko, and Cedomir Jovanovic, right in the end.
ANd another thing: mortality rate in Serbia is higher than birthrate, in, say, Libya, it's the other way round. So I think I can say who will win in the end.
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by: vn from: Belgrade
February 06, 2012 12:16
To: Abdulmajid

The Serbs have not been the war instigators in former Yugoslavia.

I would wish for Abdulmajid to give me his definition for the following terms: "genocide", "retribution", and "massacre" (BTW, this was the funniest word in the British NGO in Belgrade, starting mid-September 1999, people with traces of the Albanian, Turkish blood, to put a smile on the idiotic half-British face ...).
Also, your contribution to any knowledge about the visceral organ parts, taken from the Serbs in Kosovo, would be most welcome.
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by: demon
February 16, 2012 10:04
Well said my friend. And the truth will set us free.
Those poisonous creatures will continue to live in the darkness. Our job is not to let their darkness be ours.




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by: Abdulmajid
February 19, 2012 20:29
Thanks.

by: Abdulmajid
February 03, 2012 23:49
TO all the obtuse pro-Milosevic commenters before me:
"That Abdul dude is a pro-Bosnian Muslim nationalist extremist, who reguklarly exhibits a lack of objectivity and overall ethics." What “extremist” are you talking about? Have I ever called for the extermination of the Serb, or for that matter, any people? NO! Now about evil genocidal fascist individuals that's another thing. They certainly should never have been born. Since unfortunately they are around, at the very least they must be made to pay the price for their crimes. And what do you mean, "Bosnian Muslim nationalist?" Then, being a Bosnian Muslim nationalist is evil, but being a Serb ultranationalist is good and commendable? And you whine about double standards? So, according to you, being "objective" and "ethic" is saying that the Serbs in Bosnia did right in slaughtering the Bosniaks and that the Serbs are the only victims. But of course the reality does not conform with your definition.
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by: vn from: Belgrade
February 04, 2012 19:50
To: Abdulmajid

I'm in need of clarification: "saying that the Serbs in Bosnia did right in slaughtering the Bosniaks and that the Serbs are the only victims." What does the term Bosniaks stand for? Bosniaks comprise of the Muslims, Croats and the Serbs. Are the Bosniaks only Muslims? Or are the Bosniaks only the Serbs in your dictionary? Is your point that the Serbs have been killing the Serbs only, so that the Serbs are the only victims? Hello, anybody there? You have no idea what you are talking about. Chillax a little. The Merkale massacre is the case of the Muslims killing the Muslims, yet nobody is saying that the Muslims have committed a genocide against their own people.
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by: Abdulmajid
February 05, 2012 18:48
Don't try to make a confusion here. So you say the Bosnian Serbs are Bosniaks too, then what's the point of your genocidal crusade??? and yes the Markale massacres were both committed by the Serbs. There is no point trying to deny that.

by: Abdulmajid
February 04, 2012 00:00
vn" here has admitted the Serbs threatened the Bosniaks with genocide - then he says it is the Bosniaks' fault if they turned a deaf ear to that threat. Here in his own words: "Or do those tragic events represent the greatest tragedy of distorted propaganda heedless of the ensuing repercussions of which they had been continually warned about but kept turning the deaf ear to? Oh, was the light O.K.? Maybe she should have turned to the left a little ... Jesus ... Were they deaf to the words: "You (scum, idiots ...) are going to cause a civil war ... right now we are going to take so and so many artillery guns from the Yugoslav Army and if you don't do something about the paramilitary Muslim formations A.S.A.P. we're going to bring that high-rise building (see that one) D O W N !!! They were telling the truth, and kept their promise every single time. There have been many deaf foreign people in former Yugoslavia." So, dear vn, according to you it was the Serbs' good right to destroy the Bosniaks and the war is their fault because they didn't surrender right away and let themselves be led like sheep to the slaughter. Of course that would have saved the Serbs so much trouble...
Next thing you know he will deny the Serbs ever committed genocide against the Bosniaks. Well, on another occasion he told me the Bosniaks don't exist. Now, since contrary to his statement they do exist, they must be done away with so that the reality on the ground corresponds to his desire. Then, by his own admission, he wants to commit genocide against Bosniaks. Denial of genocide is the first, last and most important part of genocide. And since he can't successfully refute me, he turns to insult and slander. Does he really expect me to kiss the hem of his shirt for his kind and considerate words towards me and my brethren? But the worst thing (for the Serbs) is that someday the Bosniaks can, with this not even thinly veiled threat, justify any acts of violence against Serbs as legitimate self-defense against a people whose declared intention it is to exterminate the Bosniaks. Well, Karadzic already declared that intention. We have his declaration recorded, we have "vn"'s statement here black on white for everybody to read, and we can use it as proof of teh Serb intention to commit genocide againmst the Bosniak people any time we like, or have to. He has thus really scored an own goal here. Thank you very much dear fellow. Does he really think Serbs will always be the neighborhood bully? Doesn't he for one moment consider that someday the boot will be on the other foot, and then it would be better for the Bosnian Serbs to seek the Bosniaks' forgiveness and not to antagonize them further? Doesn't he for one moment think of the Serbs who maybe don't share that view? So that man is actually doing his fellow Serbs a disservice. And of course, he does not realize it. His anger and disdain for us "balije, poturice, Turks" so clouds his brain. It is truly only an expression of shame, bad conscience and fear. What he really wants to say is "Even though deep in my heart I know we Serbs (possibly I myself) have done such things, we are a honorable, brave and noble nation, we can't possibly have committed such acts of cruelty, barbarity and violence, we will never admit it, and therefore who says so is a liar who must be put down. I will stuff back your words into your mouth!" Your words, not mine.
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by: vn from: Belgrade
February 04, 2012 14:40
To: Abdulmajid

Please note that vn has not used the word genocide in the comment. Bosniaks are also a rarely used word. The "ones turning a deaf ear" refers to the international community - siding with the Muslims.

Abdulmajid should also note that it wasn't the Serbs, about 10 million of them, who got up one day and went a few thousand kilometers away to kill a few thousand men and women. That kind of killing would be considered as genocide. Something like the Germans from the Nazi Party did in the WWII.

In Bosnia, it was the other way round - the international community with the inbred Muslims and the aid of Mujahedeens were set out on destroying or subjugating the Serbs who had been living on their own land, for the purpose of meeting the final result, destruction of Yugoslavia.

But, keep on going with your distorted story. Nobody's stopping you.
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by: Anonymous from: Abdulmajid
February 07, 2012 23:13
You hate Bosniaks, don't you? Go on hating us. Your blind hatred of Bosniaks, your visceral rage, your bluster only shows your impotence, bad conscience, shame, and fear. For which you people have good reason. Don't ache for a rematch, what makes you believe that if it happens the boot won't be on the other foot? You no longer have the military nor political clout a Milosevic had. Thus, like Croatia had to do before, one day the Serb president (oh, let it be Kostunica, just imagine the irony of it!) will have to inform Dodik (or whoever is in charge in "RS" then) that regrettably he can't do any more for him and he should try and arrange himself withthe guys in Sarajevo. Either way, Bosnia will never be erased from the map. Because the Bosniaks are, and will always be there. They're there because they're there because they're there. And do you know something, you good pupil of Karadzic? They intend to stay.
Golda Meir once said that "Palestinians don't exist". You say "Bosniaks don't exist" You're both very wrong. You both mean you don't want them to exist. In other words, that you must commit genocide against them. You will not succeed.
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by: vn from: Belgrade
February 08, 2012 13:17
To: Anonymous/Abdulmajid

Regretably, I didn't get a reply to the comment above on three words: genocide, retribution/reprisal and massacre.

I do not hate all the Muslims, nor all the Bosnians, for that would be impossible. However, I do intensly dislike a certain group of people, possibly from all kinds of confessions, but that's my individual standpoint of view. Do I have the right to that, or would I be prosecuted by the illegally BS lawful organizations?

With regard to your personal background and to your claim to know all about the Muslims and Islam all the way from Spain to the Middle East, I've been very patient. Your knowledge of Bosnia, Serbia and particularly of Sarajevo is missing on the existence of another people - the Jews. Wouldn't you say that there is a big gap there or am I missing something? Their arrival from Spain would coincide with the arrival of the Muslims, and their tragic story in WWII, just like the hardships of the Serbs, would also have to do something with the pro-Nazi Muslims.

The only Karadzic I have had for a teacher would be Vuk Karadzic, the great reformer of cyrillic alphabet. Have you read his compilation of the Kosovo Cycle? I belong to a nation which is part of the Slavic people. On the other hand, Radovan Karadzic, whom you have in mind, is a great gambler - more of a "Russian roulette" player, and from time to time, he would be called "an Idiot". Despite everything, he is now in prison, at the UN Tribunal in The Hague to stand judgement. And where are all the Muslim leaders and murderers? Oh, well, the Muslims have scraped a few million euros here and there and given them to the Tribunal. Some justice!
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by: Abdulmajid
February 19, 2012 20:38
"the international community with the inbred Muslims and the aid of Mujahedeens were set out on destroying or subjugating the Serbs who had been living on their own land, for the purpose of meeting the final result, destruction of Yugoslavia" he says. An outright, barefaced, shameless, clumsy and brazen propaganda lie and 100% what Radovan Karadzic says. Yet that man pretends not to know who Radovan Karadzic is.
Of course nobody's stopping me from telling the truth. I'm not saying anything than what is known long since. Only Serbofascists say the whole world is wrong about them and only telling lies about them. Nobody will stop the Bosniaks from being free of Serb oppression and misrule either.

by: jpmaher from: Chicago
February 04, 2012 01:34
My, it's mother Teresa on steroids! Fear not, Natasa for Soros is behind you.

by: George Peters from: Chicago
February 04, 2012 09:38
Natasa Kandic is the “Serbian” Stepin Fetchit. She has long been funded by the Western nations that carved up Yugoslavia through their proxies and, ultimately, their air forces: Germany and Austria, in order to re-establish their imperial position in the Balkans and their World War II alliance with Croats, Albanians, and Bosnian Muslims (all of which supplied SS units), and the United States and Britain, which rarely miss an opportunity to appease Islam at the expense of Third World and Orthodox Christians, with Orthodox Christians an especially despised group, fully expendable in the minds of the “better people” of the West, with absolutely no inherent rights that need be respected by anyone. The sordidness of Anglo-American policy was succinctly described by Professor Richard Aldrich in the April 22, 2002 edition of the “Guardian,” in his review of the Wiebes Report to the Dutch Parliament: “In both Afghanistan and the Gulf, the Pentagon had incurred debts to Islamist groups and their Middle Eastern sponsors….Bill Clinton and the Pentagon were keen to be seen as creditworthy and repaid in the form of an Iran-Contra style operation…arranged by the clandestine agencies of the U.S., Turkey, and Iran, together with a range of radical Islamist groups, including Afghan mojahedin and the pro-Iranian Hizbullah….The U.S. was ‘very closely involved’ in the airlift. Mojahedin fighters were also flown in.” Yes, the Anglo-Americans promised their Islamic “friends” the creation of several Islamic-dominated statelets from the carcass of Yugoslavia, even if, as in Bosnia—where American Ambassador to Yugoslavia Warren Zimmermann installed Europe’s leading twentieth century Islamist, Alija Izetbegovic [read Izetbegovic’ “Islamic Declaration,” for starters] by undermining the already signed Lisbon Peace Accord and through a “referendum” that was hasty, not negotiated (i.e., imposed), in violation of the existing Bosnian State Constitution and its principle of “founding nationalities,” debased by heavy foreign involvement, and, by the way, blatantly rigged, with Izetbegovic (widely viewed as an extreme figure in Bosnia) claiming to have won a truly chimerical 99.43% of the votes cast—the population was predominately Christian by background!....CONTINUED....

by: George Peters from: Chicago
February 04, 2012 09:46
....CONTINUING......And yes, Osama bin Laden, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and the brothers Zawahiri, inter ali(j)a, were the West’s allies in the Balkans and, yes, no sooner had the carve-up of Yugoslavia been effected than the Anglo-Americans and their “Islamist” friends tried to apply the Yugoslav model in the Caucasus region against another despised Orthodox Christian people which, like the Serbs, had been allied to Britain and the United States in two world wars, the Russians. Of course, it goes without saying the Kandic also gets heavy funding from George Soros and his “Sorintern.” (Many of the people on Soros’ payroll are former—or rather displaced—communist sympathizers.) Soros is a currency speculator and convicted insider trader (in France and Hungary) who has been utterly cavalier about his World War II collaboration with the Nazis, and he has been, for a number of years, arguably the most important figure in the formation of the foreign policy positions of the Democratic Party of the United States. Kandic peddles a simpleminded and decidedly racist morality play in which almost all evil flows from Serbs, almost no Serbs are (or ever have been) victims, and Serbs are never provoked, not even slightly. It is paradise, the Garden of Eden, really, destroyed solely by the Serbian snake. If she were not so obviously the type of opportunist who always arises during or after a war, she could be described as a deeply self-hating racist. In any case, after World War II, women like Kandic were lucky if they survived with their heads merely shaved. Finally, upon reflection, apologies to Mr. Fetchit, who was only an actor trying to make a living under difficult conditions. Doesn’t Kandic realize, even peripherally, that all the medals she receives from imperially-oriented “human rights” groups (many of them, like Human Rights Watch—which used to be Helsinki Watch until it did yeoman’s duty in the carve-up of Yugoslavia—funded by Soros) are the post-communist equivalent of the medals that the communist regimes used to bestow on their generals, “people’s heroes,” and other “useful idiots”?
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