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Podcast: Love Thy Neighbor

Neighborly relations.
Neighborly relations.
It was the U-Turn heard around Eastern Europe.

For months, Ukraine appeared ready to face down pressure from Russia and sign an association agreement and free trade pact with the European Union at its upcoming Eastern Partnership summit in Vilnius. And polls showed that public opinion -- albeit by a small margin -- as well as much of the country's business elite, supported this course.

And then, at the 11th hour, after President Viktor Yanukovych made a trip to Moscow for closed-door meetings with Vladimir Putin, they flip-flopped, illustrating Moscow's continued sway over its neighbors.

In the latest "Power Vertical Podcast," we discuss Russia's policy toward its neighbors in advance of the EU's Vilnius summit. 

Joining me are co-host Mark Galeotti, a professor at New York University, an expert on Russia's security services, and author of the blog "In Moscow's Shadows" and special guest Edward Lucas, international editor for "The Economist" and author of the book "Deception: Spies, Lies, and How Russia Deceives the West."


Power Vertical Podcast -- November 22, 2013
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by: Eugenio from: Vienna
November 22, 2013 18:57
I wonder what exactly EU officials are going to do in Vilnius the next week: Belarus has never had an intention of signing anything at all, Armenia declined the idea of an Association with the EU and preferred to join the Russo-Kazakh-Belarus-led Customs Union, and now the Ukraine decided to suspend the process of joining the Association. So, what else is there to discuss in Vilnius? I guess, they will spend some time taking about the tough life of Nadejda Tolokonnikova, as long as there is nothing else they can do...
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by: Asehpe from: The Netherlands
November 23, 2013 00:24
You wouldn't have to wonder if you read up a little on the topic. Look around the internet, go to the EU summit website, read a little more... You'll soon find out the answer to the questions that trouble you so.
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by: Eugenio from: Vienna
November 23, 2013 13:46
Aha, I am just so damn curious: some EU guys coming to Vilnius to sign an Association Agreement with the Ukraine and Armenia, whereas the leaderships of the latter two countries have no intentions of signing anything - those who write for the EU summit website will have to be very creative in order to write up an agenda for this kind of "event" :-)).
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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
November 23, 2013 20:10
Eugenio gloats again about new victory of expanding Russia,
That made EU betray Ukraine: "only them or us, the Prussia".
To be sure, he silenced in advance any related comments.
Eugenio destroys speech, while expanding and robbing!
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by: Asehpe from: The Netherlands
November 27, 2013 04:05
Well, be curious then. It's always better to be curious than to be so fully convinced of something that curiosity is no longer even a dreamlike possibility, wouldn't you agree? :-) Where there is curiosity, there is hope of change... Let me wish you a lot of curiosity, now and in the future.
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by: Mike
November 24, 2013 06:16
Lucas and Galeotti with Whitmore moderating is like the above overly twisted piece.

Ditto the venues that Whitmore chooses to promote.

In actuality, Ukraine has chosen a more pragmatic path of not bowing to any pressure. Instead, buying time to review the options it has.

by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
November 23, 2013 19:59

Russian folk stories about "Ivan the Stupid" being smart,
Often end-up on a crossroad of three roads. As for West,
Europe, created by Iberian-Caucasians settlements, first,
Was busted by betrayers of Rome and Reme - than arts,
As Roman Empire falling, eaten by Normans and the rest.

Fighting Europe ended in Democratic, but Imperial modes,
Some rise of new revival - only rearm for the larger battles,
As barbarians were opening big mouth again to eat in fold
Prospering again Iberian-Caucasians Civilizations, Europe,
Revolution's Host and restored freedoms in Eastern World.

There are always two entities - the creator and the usurper,
Trying enslave and plagiarize the first, threatening with war.
There are always three roads - divide Europe, for Russians,
As they did once forging and using second empire, Prussia,
One choice for East and Central Europe, to be enslaved hor.

It is only two roads, be a colony of forged as "Union" Prussia,
Or a colony of new "Union" Russia? Only one of two choices?
Why not a third choice - be free and trade with both - Russia
And European Union? In order to prevent it, denying speech,
Russia got silenced me again, blackmailing Ukraine as leech.

They using secret pacts with the barbarians, restore empires,
And Ivan's canning luring, like division of East Europe before,
As Molotov lured Robentroph, as Ivanov lured NATO, saying:
"This part is for me, that part is for you" - dancing with a lure.
Is Germany-Austria owns EU to force Ukraine to the ordeal?

by: Eugenio from: Vienna
November 23, 2013 21:07
It looks like for this coming Sunday (24.11) the EU with the support of RFE/RL is planning to organize another "revolution" in the Ukraine with the purpose of finally getting the Ukrainian govt sign a free-trade agreement with the EU. I have just had a look at some Ukrainian web-sites: the RFE/RL is helping them to organize a live transmission of the "revolution" from the Kiev's Maidan. Let's see if you, guys, are going to be any more successful in the Ukraine than you have been in Syria in September :-)).
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by: Asehpe from: the Netherlands
November 27, 2013 04:07
Yes, because it's truly impossible that people in Ukraine might actually want something that you don't agree with. Now that would be too much to believe in, now wouldn't it?

The foreign enemies! The horror! Ah, if only there were no foreigners in this world...
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by: Eugenio from: Vienna
November 27, 2013 09:44
Aha, good luck with this new "revolution" - it will be just as successful as you, guys, trying to remove Bashar from Syria for the last 2,5 years.
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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
November 28, 2013 07:03
Eugenio pretend, or indeed do not understand, your meaning.
Netherland as Eastern Europe, fought for Freedom from Nazis,
Before it fought many, like Inquisition, than British encroaching,
As they helped Brits, later Peter with artillery and navy, seeing
Later Russia-Prussia destroying part by part Europe's East.

The natural instinct of Netherland is Prudent Independence,
In East and Central Europe, specially Ukraine that is largest
Country in the region. You simply say that Ukraine has right
To go strait, not to be enslaved-repopulated by the Russians
And by logical parallels, not be enslaved also by the Prussia.

Eugenio trying, as usual, just opposite, weather "CIA plotted"
And "Helena participated", Ukraine forge brake another "wall",
Like Berlin Wall - grabbed by Germany-Austria amalgamated,
Or "KGB, Russia-shtaby, ethnic Russia plotted" another hole
Made by Russia invaders, like Moldova or Georgia, truncated.

by: Jack from: US
November 24, 2013 03:54
the Ukraine decided to avoid fate of NATO minions - being controlled by Washington mafia

by: Eugenio from: Vienna
November 24, 2013 20:12
Aha, it looks like the Beavuses are getting compeletely desperate and have tried to organize "revoluations" in two countries where pro-US govts have been kicked out of power and replaces by anti-US/EU forces over the last several years:
(a) in Venezuela, a professional US-financed loser Capriles woke up after several months of having no idea what to do about having being defeated in the presidential election last Spring and organized a massive "protest" demonstration:
(b) and in Ukraine the traditional politically bankrupt political forces that have misgoverened the country between 2005 and 2010 have tried to repeat the coup d'etat that they had successfully staged back in 2004:
It looks like however in both cases, those pro-US bacnkrupt losers are just as inpet as their bosses from Washington DC: they are good at making noise, but are completely unable to achieve any of their policy goals :-).
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by: Ivanushka the Fool from: Bear Cave
November 25, 2013 09:08
Comrades Eugenio and Jackgb are right as always although they are left/overs/from the USSR.Nobody,but nobody,man wants those bloody Europeans-all the Ukrainians want is another Holodomor and we all want the soviet-Russian Teddy Bear to take good care of us-as nobody else can-no we must not forget to give EU genio and Jack the Joke extra rations of 100 gramms of vodka and they can also share a tin of selyodka and a Xmass copy of the russian edition of Playboy.Keep up the Rott/en Red Front rebyata-you`re on your right way to the fiery red-hot furnace!!! Ei,ukhnyem!!!
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by: Eugenio from: Vienna
November 25, 2013 19:02
Dear Camel, irrespectively of what you might want, just look at what has been happening in and around Syria and Iran the last several months, and this will give you an idea of which way the wind on the intl arena is blowing. The above cited Ukraine and Venezuela are two further example to support this point.
Cheers from Vienna!
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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
November 28, 2013 18:38
Eugenio again, trying sunk us into bubbling about scores
That Russia made against the West, as imperial spheres
Of influence to be created, while "Ivan the Fool" is fooling
Around same approach - like "Common Wealth" restoring
Not "Independent States", but "left-overs" of former USSR,
Be sold to Prussia of Sweden and Polls, or Russian Czars.

by: La Russophobe from: USA
November 25, 2013 13:05
A massive crowd of between 50,000 to 100,000 people poured into the streets of Kiev to protest this decision. Putin and Yanukovich are just playing for time, no rational young person in Ukraine today would want better relations with Russia than with the EU. Europe has so much more to offer that Russia simple pales into invisibility by comparison. Ukraine reject Russia long ago, and there is no turning back.
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by: Eugenio from: Vienna
November 25, 2013 19:10
You are saying: "Europe has so much more to offer" :-)). Aha, Europe is offering a lot to its memeber states: 25 % unemployment rate to Greece and Spain, 3 years in a row of shrinking economy to Italy, -8,9 % of GDP "growth" to Cyprus this year, cutting salaries of workers and increasing bonuses of banksters - all of which leads to daily protests AGAINST the EU in most EU member states ever since the outbreak of the crisis in 2008.
You have for sure never heard of those things - no wonder, you get "informed" from the sources close to RFE/RL :-)). Will you even find Europe on the map of the world, La Russ from the USA :-))?
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by: Anonymous
November 27, 2013 04:10
No, laddie. Europe is offering money. Russia, too, by the way, nothing more than that, despite all the "we're one people/orthodox christendom" mumbo-jumbo. It's just that Europe has a lot more money (plus know-how; Russia is still all about mineral resources and weapons).

But you know that. After all, you choose to live in Vienna, not in Moscow...
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by: Eugenio from: Vienna
November 27, 2013 09:43
Anonymous is saying: "Europe is offering money". Europe is offering money??? Really??? What money and why is it that Yanoukovitsch is not taking it???
You know, it's funny to see someone thinking that the EU can offer any money to anyone at all, given that here in the EU they have been cutting spending and closing enterprises ever since the outbreak of the never-ending Euro-crisis in 2008. Someone who - like the EU - is simpy bankrupt can hardly offer anyone any money.
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by: Asehpe from: The Netherlands
December 01, 2013 03:06
Because Putin won't let him, silly. Ask the Armenians...
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by: Mike
November 26, 2013 06:15
In your idiotically sticky dreams perhaps.
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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
November 29, 2013 22:36
CIS, including Ukraine, are independent nations!
It is sick to see on all forums, media and press,
Children of Quislings of Russian occupation
Try create Russian colonial empire of serfs,
As children of Quislings of Nazi's invasions
Try old dream, US of Europe, ran by Germ.

Both spitting against river of World History,
But they have armies - telepaths and spies
That pushing Ukraine and CIS, by hysteria
Of crafting rules to repossess - take or die!

Sure, Ukrainian people shouldn't be fooled
By Yanukovich promise - Russia has ways,
Forging rules - enslave-repossess as gulls.
Same is ran by Germs EU - chipping away
By set of rules independence of members...

Ukraine have stay firm, by free trade rules,
It can take its time - but people have know,
Exactly how much the Russia-Prussia gulls
Might snick at their back, absorbing Europe.

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