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Spokesman: Majority Of Russians Still Support Putin

Pro-Kremlin demonstrators rally on Manezh Square in Moscow on December 12.
Pro-Kremlin demonstrators rally on Manezh Square in Moscow on December 12.
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Prime Minister Vladimir Putin still has the support of the majority in Russia, his spokesman Dmitry Peskov has said after the biggest opposition protest yet against his domination of the country.

Peskov said that Russians should "treat the opinion of a majority with respect."

Meanwhile, Mikhail Gorbachev, the last Soviet leader, on December 24 urged Putin to follow his example and step down.

Speaking in an interview with the Ekho Moskvy radio station, Gorbachev said that if Putin heeded protesters' demands and stepped down now, he would be remembered for the positive things he did during his 12 years in power.

Gorbachev's remarks came after tens of thousands of people took to the streets in Moscow and other Russian cities on December 24 in the largest protest to date against alleged fraud in the December 4 parliamentary elections.

PHOTO GALLERY: The best Russian protest signs:
  • "4 + 9 = 49" is a reference to the 49 percent that Putin's United Russia party received in the elections, which protesters dispute.
  • After the first round of protests, Putin had compared demonstrators' white ribbons to condoms.
  • "Don't reuse a used tandem," a wordplay that touches on Putin's condom comparison. 
  • "Sacrificing freedom for the sake of security gives you neither"
  • "You can fake election results, you can't fake freedom"

  • "Where's my money from the [U.S.] State Department?" Putin had said that protesters took to the streets after comments made by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
  • "Puck Futin"
  • A reference to Russian prison tattoos, where criminals who receive a third term would receive a tattoo of Orthodox church domes. Putin is seeking a third term as president.
  • "Swindlers and thieves, get out!"
  • "I'm here for free"
  • "No voice, no choice"


compiled from agency reports
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by: SERBIAN from: Serbia
December 25, 2011 11:59
Majority off Serbians still Support Putin too.Rusia is not Lybia.With many regards Rusian people.
dr.Srbin
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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
December 26, 2011 02:22
Serbia had not many opportunities, being devided by
Germano-Austrians among annexed by them Yugoslavian
nations, but rely on Russia, specially after Russia-Turkey war
and after Russian revolution, being over-runed by Russian
"Whites" that settled in Belgrade.

Still, they refused Stalin's offer to go to UN and ignore
"Mashtrik", negotiating return of Serbian populated and historic lands after WW2, as Yugoslavian CIS.
They would rather obey Russian, British and Germano-Austrian
secret pact to resurect colonial empires, deviding Eastern Europe, including Yugoslavia, without challenging "Mashtrih".

I write publicly simillar offers to UN and Yugoslavs in 1980-th - 1990-th, but Serbians never abandoned their, often blind,
loyalty to Russia.

By the way, it was I who offer Russians to move to Prishtna
airport, hoping to make Serbs negotiate fear CIS -
it didn't work...
British reminded Russians about heir "pact", calling them
"barany"...

by: Zero
December 25, 2011 13:15
No matter who Russians chose it is still going to be a drunkard like Yeltsin who will start a war similar to war in Chechnya. Or Putin who will continue the war.
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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
December 26, 2011 02:31
Eltcin was destroyed by the strong military and expansionist class that still rule Russia, holding him under bewitched, Lemurian and NLW control, to stupify him and let the "Third Force" invade Chechnia, Georgia, all Caucasus and Moldova.
They almost overturn Eltcin and grabbed dictatorship...

Putin also has no controll over them,
whether he is a drunk or not...
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by: Rickl from: Milan
December 27, 2011 13:36
"invade Chechnia" ?!?!?

may be that have invaded Los Angeles
also
National Guard troops in 1992 ?!?!?
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by: Marko from: USA
December 26, 2011 13:20
Putin didn't start the more succesful (for Russia) 2nd phase of the Chechen war-- the Chechen militant leader Shamil Basaev and the Saudi Islamist Omar Ibn El-Khattab (Osama bin Laden's "best pupil") did by invading Dagestan. You may not like the way Putin has fought the war, but he didn't start it. This part is consistently distorted in the Western press -- something that their own reporting at the time documented.
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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
December 27, 2011 00:49
Marco might be unaware that such "Chechen militants" are the
"Third Force" of expanding Russia, created as addition to
Russian secret armies of "oboroten's" since 1954-56, being children of otherwise executed WW2 war criminals from Northern Caucasus.

It was one of advantures of Russia to justify annexations in
Northern Caucasus and Georgia - to expand ethnic Russia
and breed ethnic Russians - using agreement between Peter
the First and Georgian King
(removal of agressive foreign Muslim imperial bases from Northern Caucasus, which were plandering and killing their Christian neighbours, and protect independence and dignity of Georgian relatives - Northern Caucasian peoples) -
IN REVERSE:
As during Caucasian War, procrastunating it for 50 years,
Russia using "Oboroten's" to justify annexation of all Caucasus
to breed ethnic Russians.

Real Chechen militants, or field officers with groups of armed men, were left to defend their people and property, specially where Russians and their "Oboroten's" expelled from Chechnia refugees, good half of population.
They supported Mashadov and his negotiations with Russia about statue of Chechen limitted independence or expanded Authonomy.

Putin alone didn't start the war, but the "Third Force" was
and is planning and carrying it out since 1954-56 USSR.

The illusion that "Chechens invaded Dagestan", created by Russia is also difficult to understand for foreigners because of fall-out of Russian-Afghan "war".
Many Afghans and other Muslims thought that "oboroten's" are for real and came to Chechnia to avange Afghan genocide.
At the end, surrounded by Russian (Soviet) army and asked
by Chechens to leave, they joined with "oborotens" that
attacked Dagestan - to leave for home...

by: Marko from: USA
December 25, 2011 18:18
The provinces still clearly support him and probably a fair number of people in Moscow too (but no longer a majority). The middle class in Moscow has really turned on him. Russia's decade of relative unity, stability, and prosperity appears to be over-- regardless of outcome (and there are a number of possible [mostly ugly] ones). Putin could almost certainly win the most squeaky clean election possible in a run-off, but that won't assuage the influential Moscow middle class (which appears to be in "a cut off your nose to spite your face" mood). Middle-class young Muscovites seem to want Putin gone no matter the consequences and no matter what anyone else may want. His retirement would bring back the disintegration, violence, chaos, and impoverishment of the 90s (that many of the demonstrators are too young to remember clearly) in spades within a year at the outside. No one from the opposition "leaders" can govern Russia, and most of them really aren't even really interested in trying to do so [ being more the puppets of destructive self-interested forces inside and outside Russia]... Maybe people there come to their senses and realize that there is no perfection in human affairs, but (albeit w/o being there right now), I doubt it. Russians have a strong idealistic (naive and impractical at perhaps) streak that surfaces strongly at times. We seem to have entered one of those times. Whatever ultimately happens here, I hope that the violence over there is minimal...
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by: Eugenio from: Vienna
December 25, 2011 22:00
Concerning your comment: "a fair number of people in Moscow too (but no longer a majority)". Stricktly speaking, some 100.000 people turned out for the latest rally - and this is in a city of more than 11.000.000 people. In other words, we are speaking of about one percent of the total population of the capital here, and the president is elected by the entire country, not by Moscowites only. Thus, the talk of "Putin going" pretty much reminds of the talk of "Ahmadinejad going", or "Chávez going", or "Daniel Ortega going" - media talks a lot about it, but it never actually happens :-).
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by: Eugenio from: USA
December 26, 2011 13:13
Eugenio, I still expect him to win in March IF he decides to run. The question is, will he. With this level of opposition, it will be very hard to govern effectively or without resorting to large scale violence (the whole political geometry here has something of a resemblance to the Tiananman Square incident in China). He also appears to be tired and somewhat disengaged these days. He might just think , "Well ok, you ingrates!" ...and ride off into the sunset.
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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
December 26, 2011 03:01
Marko may be over-estimated his number of protesters,
but the Eugenio's estimate is toitally out of base (speaking democraticly)!
How many out of 11,000,000 people would be able and dare to
go to demonstartion, even for government, much less so for the opposition?

Take out most of elderly, children and working people,
and you will end-up with only 1,000,000...
Take out of them those that not that determined to risk their well being, you will left only with some 200,000,000...

Sure, if one estimate numbers from position of government "oprichniks" and snitches, 100,000 protesters can be easy handled by FSB, police and army...

PS:

Russians since 1954-56 were excited by success of German SS during WW2, wich handled easy by 12 SS men a collumn of 1,200 Russian prisoners of war, leading them to places of muss executions...

Eugenio, you must more often cleanse your systems from subconsious mentality of sado-mazahistic imperial Varaga-Prussaka-Leninyaka...

Still, I might agree with Eugenio that Moscow is not Cairo...
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by: Tanja from: USA
December 28, 2011 00:41
During 'Sandromokh massacre' one NKVD operative killed 1111 people,and this case is well documented. Nazis thanks god had no extraordinary professionals, soviets had.

by: Russian
December 25, 2011 22:13
"where is my money from the [U.S.] State department" the translation is not correct. The picture shows Russian government - three rodents and the poster says "where is the money from the State Department" implying that Russian government including Putin are on the US State Department payroll. Another poster says "Its time for [Putin and United Russia party] to live in London before its too late [Russians will kill them]".
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by: Marko from: USA
December 26, 2011 23:06
Thanks, saw video of that sign (read it) and thought that a nationalist sign was being passed off by the Western media as a liberal sign-- glad to have a native speaker confirm that...
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by: Tanja from: USA
December 28, 2011 00:13
It is an absolutely correct translation. Putin accused protesters that they receive money allegedly from the US state department and that they are 'internet hamsters', that why under the text is a drawing of three hamsters.

by: rick from: Milan
December 26, 2011 13:58
you must understand how the power moves in Moscow
since hundreds of years .

Square movment of Moscow generally don't express a political movement
and especially this square made ​​by nostalgic of USSR
and nazi/iper/nationalist

Squares of Moscow "express power "
power of the squares
to be used for negotiation with the institutional power
but
not in the name of the people protesting
rather
in the name of the narrow circles of oligarchic interests
that finance protesters .

It isn't a coincidence
that these protesters don't have a real political project
don't propose an alternative program
and don't have a credible candidate for the upcoming residential elections

they only express their dissent,
a generic dissent
for demonstrate that they are able to put in question the election
of the next president
whoever he may be

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