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For Mladic, The Hague Is Better Than Suicide

When Ratko Mladic arrived at The Hague detention unit, it was to a red carpet welcome by other indicted war criminals, who honored him with a traditional Bosnian lunch.
When Ratko Mladic arrived at The Hague detention unit, it was to a red carpet welcome by other indicted war criminals, who honored him with a traditional Bosnian lunch.
By Anes Alic
Bosnian Serb wartime General Ratko Mladic reportedly considered taking his own life rather than surrendering to Serbian authorities, but he is certainly not regretting his decision now. He’s getting the top-notch medical care that he desperately needs at The Hague detention center, and Bosnian Serbs have offered to foot the bill for his defense.

“I made a mistake [in] not having killed myself. But since I am here, I demand that you fulfill my requests and provide me with adequate medical care and a lawyer, and allow my family to visit me,” Serbia’s “Blic” daily quoted Mladic as telling officials of The Hague-based International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY).

When Mladic arrived at The Hague detention unit, it was to a red carpet welcome by other indicted war criminals, who honored him with a traditional Bosnian lunch. A team of doctors examined him, determining that his health had been seriously neglected, and set out to plan new treatments. He had six bad teeth pulled in one day. Feeling newly refreshed and in good spirits after taking stock of his situation, he demanded fresh strawberries.

More significantly, Mladic’s arrest lends him financial stability. On June 6, Serbian authorities unfroze his monthly military pension (800 euros), to which he had not had access since 2005 and which has since been accumulating in his account. Mladic had formally applied for the funds to be released after his arrest following 16 years on the run, and authorities authorized his son to withdraw the money.

It’s telling that Mladic ever received a Serbian military pension, as he was a Bosnian Serb military commander, not a member of the Serbian military. Still, Serbia continued to pay his pension and health and social insurance contributions through the so-called 30 Personnel Center of the Yugoslav Army.

It is odd that an indicted war criminal, wanted on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity (including genocide for his key role in the 1995 Srebrenica massacre), should continue to receive a monthly pension at all.

Seeking Contributions

On top of all this, the Bosnian Serb leadership is willing to pay for his defense at the ICTY. Officials in Bosnia’s Serb-dominated entity of Republika Srpska have announced that they will help fund Mladic’s defense, adding insult to injury for the victims of Mladic’s war crimes, who in essence will now be paying for their aggressor’s legal costs through their taxes. The Republika Srpska war veterans’ association and some other radical nongovernmental organizations are also seeking additional private contributions.

Bosnian Serb opposition parties have opposed the measure, but not for the reasons one would expect: They say the fund (presently at 50,000 euros) is not large enough and that the entity should request at least 10 million euros in credit from outside to boost Mladic’s defense.

Officials from the wartime ruling Serb Democratic Party (SDS), led by Radovan Karadzic, have suggested that Republika Srpska finance the defense of all Bosnian Serb war crimes indictees in an effort to also defend, on a broader scale, the nature of the Bosnian war out of which the entity of Republika Srpska was created.

Some indicted war criminals, however, have balked at this idea, fearing they would then lose access to ICTY legal aid.

Still, state financing of legal defense and logistical and moral support for indicted war criminals is nothing new in the region.

Rewards For Surrendering

In late 2004, after failing to arrest a single indicted war criminal since the end of the war, the government of Republika Srpska decided to hand out financial rewards to suspects who surrendered. The move was followed by a similar law in Serbia proper, which regulates pensions to indicted war criminals.

Significant segments of the Croat, Bosnian, and Serbian populations continue to view their very own war criminals as heroes ... Reconciliation remains a long way off.
The laws were intended to bring in a few lower-profile war crimes suspects at a time when both Serbia and Republika Srpska were expecting to be penalized by the international community for their lack of cooperation with the ICTY.

The regulations produced some results, though information on how many suspects surrendered in return for cash was never made public. However, in 2004, only four indicted war criminals were transferred to the ICTY, while the following year that number rose to 20.

Serbia offered the families of war crimes suspects who surrendered 25,000 euros in cash, a monthly 690 euro pension and four plane tickets to The Hague for prison visits. Republika Srpska has also been very generous, granting scholarships to the children of indicted war criminals and doubling pension payments to their families.

According to Serbian media reports, the Serbian government offered more generous inducements to higher-ranked officers. Allegedly, Bosnian Serb General Vujadin Popovic was given a bonus of $1 million when he turned himself in six years ago. Mladic’s family told media at that time that the Serbian government offered him $5 million to surrender, but he declined.  

Authorities in Croatia and Bosnia’s Bosniak- and Croat-dominated federation entity have also not been averse to publicly honoring and lending a helping hand to their indicted war criminals.

The late Bosnian wartime army commander Rasim Delic, for instance, was sentenced to three years in prison for war crimes committed against Bosnian Serbs and Croats but was welcomed at the Sarajevo airport upon his release last year to great fanfare by religious and political leaders. (Delic passed away in April 2010.)

Viewed As Heroes

Meanwhile, the Croatian government is planning to put together a team of legal experts to help with the appeal process for generals Ante Gotovina and Mladen Markac, who were convicted in late April and sentenced to 24 and 18 years in prison, respectively.     
 
What this most clearly demonstrates is that significant segments of the Croat, Bosnian, and Serbian populations continue to view their very own war criminals as heroes, and by their financial support of them are financing the ideas that led to war, if not the war itself. Reconciliation remains a long way off. Both Croatia and Bosnia are contemplating a renewal of legal action against Serbia for its involvement in the Yugoslav conflicts.  

As for fresh strawberries and pulled teeth…This is all rather flippant and designed to entertain, but it is what interests the public, what fuels anger and keeps it ripe. The Bosnian Serb government’s very public debate about how much money is available and how much more can be scrounged up to defend Mladic is also designed to keep the public’s interest directed toward the wartime past. These are the only issues that nationalist authorities can capitalize upon to remain in office, the only issues that distract voters time and again from pressing economic realities.

Keeping the Mladic arrest as controversial as possible is useful to nationalists from all three ethnic groups, who rely on ethnic tensions for power.
 
Anes Alic is the Sarajevo-based executive director of ISA Intel, a senior analyst for ISN Security Watch, and a contributor to Oxford Analytica. The views expressed in this commentary are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect those of RFE/RL
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by: Frank from: NZ
June 20, 2011 10:48
Enjoyed your point of view very entertaining should help to keep the issue ripe. :)

by: Yuo
June 20, 2011 13:42
"adequate medical care and a lawyer, and allow my family to visit me,” Serbia’s “Blic” daily quoted"
In every civil society the defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty has the right to the above mentioned requests.
This part of the article makes it seem that he's doesn't deserve that!
"When Mladic arrived at The Hague detention unit, it was to a red carpet welcome by other indicted war criminals, who honoured him with a traditional Bosnian lunch."
Can you the person who wrote this article explain the following what was offered in this so called red carpet treatment? What is a traditional Bosnian lunch the inductees prepared for him upon his arrival?
"It is odd that an indicted war criminal, wanted on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity (including genocide for his key role in the 1995 Srebrenica massacre), should continue to receive a monthly pension at all."
This part of the article states he received a pension of "800 Euros" a week, a month, and a year? He left this detail out.
How can this writer say it's odd for someone to receive a pension when he was on the run? Maybe look at Alija Izetbegovic and Franjo Tudjman’s use of west’s funds in unappropriated ways and yet they got away with it?
"On top of all this, the Bosnian Serb leadership is willing to pay for his defence at the ICTY. Officials in Bosnia’s Serb-dominated entity of Republika Srpska have announced that they will help fund Mladic’s defence, adding insult to injury for the victims of Mladic’s war crimes, who in essence will now be paying for their aggressor’s legal costs through their taxes"
This person who writes this biased article is really not seeing the bigger picture again a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty!
Hence funds needed to defend him.
If the writer talks about the victims what of the victims that live with depleted uranium in the fields littered across the FYR who are guilty of those I know the JNA and the Nationalists on all sides didn't have this material wait I think they were NATO bombs?
"Officials from the wartime ruling Serb Democratic Party (SDS), led by Radovan Karadzic, have suggested that Republika Srpska finance the defence of all Bosnian Serb war crimes inductees in an effort to also defend, on a broader scale, the nature of the Bosnian war out of which the entity of Republika Srpska was created."
This paragraph makes the assumption that Bosnian Serbs actually is trying to defend the reason why there is a Republika Srpska. If I can recall that all sides of the conflict agreed for this to happen hence you have Dayton.
Rewards for surrendering is a great concept unusually the governments of Republika Srpska and Serbia have been active in pursuing this type of program whilst other governments in the region are slow to introduce a program of capture and extradition.
"Authorities in Croatia and Bosnia’s Bosniak- and Croat-dominated federation entity have also not been averse to publicly honouring and lending a helping hand to their indicted war criminals."
This is very untrue and I guess the person who wrote this article didn't do their research about helping out indicted war criminals from the Bosnia/Croatian side.
In conclusion articles like these who love the stories that people make up or make false accusations so that sensations can be played out in the media to either create/break a hero, to determine who are the bad/good guys, and to point to everyone what is right even though everyone who reads these articles do not know the facts even the writer doesn't but let’s make up stories that makes things sound good.
You just have to look at stories that were portrayed by all media outlets e.g. Racak massacre in Kosovo proven to be false but was played out that JNA committed the atrocities and yet the AP were there the day before filming with no proof of the Atrocities occurring and yet this was decisive precondition of Bombing of FRJ.

by: OBILIC111 from: CHICAGO
June 20, 2011 14:17
To many lies to respond.Lets start with so called Genocide in Srebrenica,if we look up into definition of word Genocide in any high school book what happened in Srebrenica doesnt meet standard.Those 8000 men killed were not some poor refugies but Bosnian army soldiers armed to the teeth by NATO and Arabs and they commited numerous crimes against Serbian civilians.Bosnian army had division in Srebrenica,this fact is never mentioned lie cannot live forever.Bosnian soldiers were much more effective in killing Serbian civilians than fighting Mladi's forces.
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by: Joe from: USA
June 20, 2011 17:28
Genocide or not (for the sake of argument, we'll set aside that many of those killed were mere boys) executing more than 8,000 prisoners of war is a heinous war crime, and the ordering of it by a supposed "military man" reflects a complete and total lack of honor or decency to which Mladic now lays claim from his captors.
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by: Slava
June 20, 2011 21:50
Proof that a figure close to 7,000 or more being summarily executed at Srebrenica remains factually unproven and quite suspect, from a raw evidence and reasoned perspective.
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by: Dubito. Ergo. Cogito. from: Chicago
June 23, 2011 02:09
Slava, so mass graves that include skeletons of male children is not enough of a proof? I mean, with your logic, you would dispute the occurence of The Holocaust as well, right? What is this "raw evidence" you're referring to? I love your ability to deny facts as reported by eye-witnesses and actual victims of the war crimes.
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by: Abdulmajid
June 20, 2011 20:15
Your anti-Bosniak diatribe and Srebrenica genocide denial is simply DISGUSTING! You pretend that irrefutable evidence is not true, and to you, 14 year old schoolboys murdered befor e the eyes of theri mothers and and 12-year old schoolgirls were "Bosnian army soldiers armed to the teeth by NATO and Arabs and they commited numerous crimes against Serbian civilians" You insult the victims of genocide, you are as evil as Mladic himself. With such people as you there can never be peace because you don't want peace, you want to exterminate the Bosniaks, and your Bosnaik-baiting gives me the notion that those who said "Srbe na vrbe" were RIGHT!
DOLJE VELIK A SRBIJA!
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by: Cygnus from: Canada
June 21, 2011 02:48
The people who were yelling Srbe na vrbe is a big reason why they ended up dead. You can't yell hang the serbs (and mean it) and not expect any consequences. I'm not using that as justification for Srebrnica, far from it. But a question to you how would you react if people were chasing you down chanting Hang all the Arabs? (or whatever race you are for that matter)
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by: Abdulmajid
June 21, 2011 20:57
Cygnus, as a matter of fact almost all Serbs except for a negligible minority agree that us balije must be brought to our knees and annihilated, that's why you call us "balije", "islamicized Serbs", "Turks without a home", "poturi", "traitors", "Nazis" and all that. You say "But a question to you how would you react if people were chasing you down chanting Hang all the Arabs? (or whatever race you are for that matter)?" In fact that is what all islamophobes the world over do. They always say that ALL Muslims are "terrorists" because "Islam is evil by nature" and "The enemy of Mankind". And it IS the objective and national and family tradition of Serbs to kill Muslims because ALL Serb authors from Njegos to Ivo Andric to Dobrica Cosic and Radovan Karadzic say so. A snake, a scorpion and a Serb have no heart to tame. So I will repeat it:
S R B E N A V R B E!!!
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by: Bojan from: Canada
June 24, 2011 20:19
Ahaha, typical coward. It's easy to yell out "srbe na vrbe" while sitting in your mom's basement. You would never do anything in the physical form because you're nothing but a coward who gets a sense of power while hiding behind a computer.
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by: Abdulmajid
June 26, 2011 20:15
Dear Bojan, think about how many who shout the loudest for Greater Serbia and Mladic I could say the same that you say about me. And I think I have said often enough that I am willing to back my Bosniak brethren all the way, with what I have and what I can do, and I only hope I won't be too old if the need should arise. On the other hand, would any government in Belgrade try to do what Milosevic did? Would anybody in Banja Luka dare to split up the country and thus plunge it into war again? I doubt it. At the moment you hold half of Bosnia the way the Israelis hold the Haram Esh Sherif in Jerusalem - and like them you don't exactly know what to do about it. The Israelis reclaim it as the site of their Temple but dare not do anything with it, and likewise the Serbs claim half of Bosnia (or some even all of it!) yet they are not sure how to proceed now. I mean, Dodik talked about indepnednce, now he says "Total indepndence within Bosnia"; an oxymoron if ever there was one. If they remain "within Bosnia", how can they be "independent"?

by: obilic111 from: chicago
June 20, 2011 14:27
Just simple question.Why Muslim right to secede from Yugoslavia which was illegal given the fact that couldnt be done without consent of Serbs living there,to the right of Serbs to secede from Bosnia.This author convinently avoids fact that muslims didnt want democracy.Read their president Alija Izetbegovic book Islamic Declaratin name says everything one rough quote" there will be no coexistence between muslim people and non muslim institutios"Your author should mention fac that OSAMA had Bosnian passeport and that few 9/11 terorist had training and fought in Bosnia.If you think they were there to fight for Madison democracy you need brain examination
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by: Joe from: US
June 20, 2011 17:30
Good point about the right to secede, and about Izetbegovic's writings, but it still doesn't justify war crimes, which are for what Mladic is on trial.
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by: Abdulmajid
June 20, 2011 20:08
Kindly keep your anti-Bosniak and anti-Muslim propaganda lies to yourself.
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by: Slava
June 20, 2011 21:51
So that your anti-Serb/Bosnian Muslim nationalist lies have a complete monopoly?

The biases are glaring enough.

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by: Cvele from: Serbia
June 21, 2011 00:30
HAHAHA funny! The truth is that muslims from Bosnia fled into Serbia as well who gave them shelter just as for the Serb refugees. Is operation storm also a lie? Who was innocent?
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by: Dubito. Ergo. Cogito. from: Chicago
June 23, 2011 02:12
Abdulmajid, extremisim on either side ought to be intolerable. Bosnia's DNA needs all three (plus some more) ethnicities - and there are plenty of countries that prove diversity can exist (Switzerland, USA, etc.) and help the nation prosper. I think you discredit yourself when you resort to negative rhetoric - regardless of how much it may have been deserved by certain individuals on this forum. :), just a friendly note.
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by: Dubito. Ergo. Cogito. from: Chicago
June 23, 2011 02:16
Cvele, you are absolutely correct in your statement that some Bosnian Muslims fled to Serbia for shelter (mostly those that had families in Serbia), where they received shelter and care. However, most of the notes on this forum discuss Bosnian Serbs - or to be politically correct, Orthodox Bosnians -, who were the main (note, I didn't write sole) perpetrators in this war. Nevertheless, it is also important to note that not ALL Orthodox Bosnians resorted to war crimes. There are just as many stories of Bosnian Serbs who extended helping hand and saved lives. Let us not forget that either!
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by: Abdulmajid
June 24, 2011 14:59
@Dubito.Ergo.Cogito: Yes, thank you very much. Of course. And I want to point out that it is difficult not to generalize. Seldom do I hear a Serb voice expressing regret for Srebrenica and for the genocidal anti-Bonsiak crusade in general, and if I say "Srbe na vrbe!" it is as a response to "noz, zica, Srebrenica" or some such. It is not meant to say, like "Serbien muss sterbien!": I do not refer to the Serb people as such. Are they an evil and accursed nation? Sometimes I do get the notion but in truth I know the Serbs are not less or more evil than other people. But those who think like Karadzic and Mladic should suffer the fate they seek for the Bosniaks; not the Serbs as a whole. I know there are Serbs who haven't resigned from the human race, it's only that it seems they're few and far in between and their political influence is small. And as for people who speak with such a hatred and disdain of Bosniaks or who say "Bosniaks = terrorists or jihadists"; with such individuals there can never be peace. I don't want to have nothing whatsoever to do with them. Only give them fair warning: get your filthy, bloodstained hands off Bosnia! Next time around you will not have it as easy as in 1992.

by: tiadel from: toronto
June 20, 2011 19:45
Thank you for the great article. Did enjoy it very much. Dayton agreement should be up for the revizion hopefully soon and it would be nice to see some changes there that would unify the country. Cheers!
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by: Abdulmajid
June 21, 2011 21:02
Dear friend, the Bosniaks and all those who genuinely love Bosnia-Herzegovina MUST BRING ABOUT THOSE CHANGES BY THEMSELVES; AND FIGHT FOR THEIR FREEDOM AND THEIR RIGHT TO EXIST AND TO LIVE AND TO THEIR HOMELAND BY THEMSELVES because NOBODY will do that for you; and what with the experiences of the last round of genocidal anti-Bosniak crusade they must prepare themselves very well and never again give themselves to teh illusion that "it can't happen here" because it was that what made them being caught with their hands empty. Then there was the illegal weapons embargo, and therefore they must also prepare for that to come again. I'M not calling for war to ersume. Becauseit is not up to the Bosniakswhether there will be again a war, but it is up to those who still want to destroy them.

by: Jackie from: Charlotte, NC
June 20, 2011 21:21
Although I agree that every "suspected" war criminal deserves a fair trial, once Mladic is found guilty I hope that he suffers a long, painful death and will rot in hell. All war criminals deserve the same.
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by: Andy from: Omaha
June 22, 2011 13:03
He won't suffer a painful death, that's the whole point of the article. If i get such a treatment when I'm old, call me a war criminal any day!
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by: Dubito. Ergo. Cogito. from: Chicago
June 23, 2011 02:18
Andy, unfortunately you are correct. Mladic's health has improved thanks to The Hauge... I do appreciate your tongue-and-cheek comment though, :).
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by: Abdulmajid
June 24, 2011 15:03
Well, firstly I thought that such a horribloe individual should be made to die each and every death he caused, but on second thoughts, may he live to be 200, but never enjoy freedom again. And may he see from behind bars how his nightmarish genocidal creation is consigned back to Hades where it belongs.

by: Dubito.Ergo.Cogito. from: Chicago
June 20, 2011 22:23
Dayton agreement was choreographed by late Holbrooke as an agreement that was supposed to have ended the war, which it did. It was never meant to stand as a constitution; hence, Bosnia's continued problems. Unfortunately, people like You and Bilic continue to exist, not to imply that they shouldn't... People who after the massacre in Bosnia attempt to dispute facts ought to be forced to excavate mass graves that harbor children's skeletons, so that they finally feel the only humane feeling possible - SHAME! Mladic proudly boasted about ethnic cleansing "operations", which included rape and torture of women, on TV. And he is to be presumed innocent until proven guilty? I would love to see how "just" Yuo and Bilic would be if their 8 year old daughter's uterus was permanently severed by soldiers in front of their own eyes. The fact that Republika Srpska continues to exists dwarfs any chance for bosnia's improvement and embarrasses the Western world, the very same world that vowed to never let the atrocities of ww II repeat again. As for Izetbegovic declaring "muslim" state - you should know that both milosevic and tudjman were present at that announcement and even supported the idea only to set the stage for the war. Regardless of Izetbegovic's intentions, I think we can all agree that there were other ways to solve the political conflict...
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by: Yuo (Aka Yugo)
June 21, 2011 14:37
I do agree to your comment about the Dayton agreement but about the below I really don't agree entirely
"Unfortunately, people like You and Bilic continue to exist, not to imply that they shouldn't... People who after the massacre in Bosnia attempt to dispute facts ought to be forced to excavate mass graves that harbor children's skeletons, so that they finally feel the only humane feeling possible - SHAME!"
I am not disputing that events did not occur, I am disputing the media lies on the amount as well as that there really was a massacre. In any war in throughout history there are propaganda stories even currently in Libya where there are no hard facts only assumptions, accusations and spin. Therefore I revert back to anyone who is charged for war crimes from Ex Yu should be presumed innocent before being proven guilty but in Mladic's case it is guilty as charged (sarcasm) in the media.
"Mladic proudly boasted about ethnic cleansing "operations", which included rape and torture of women, on TV. And he is to be presumed innocent until proven guilty? I would love to see how "just" Yuo and Bilic would be if their 8 year old daughter's uterus was permanently severed by soldiers in front of their own eyes"
As for Mladic actually boasting his conquests I do not or cannot say as he would have been quoted and mis quoted on some many occasions from the time of his command to the war crimes tribunal. Again on all sides there was propaganda and with technology you are able to manipulate voices, images etc. (Note: At Trnopolje refugee camp, journalists and photographers deliberately placed themselves within a small barbed-wire enclosure that fenced in a utility shed, while the muslin men stood outside the enclosure. This left the impression the men were behind barbed wire.)
As for your graphic example of how "just" I would feel if that happened to me, I wouldn't know what to do but you cannot sentence someone who had no knowledge of these acts occurring because of rogue soldiers or uncontrollable paramilitaries (e.g. Arkan's group) committing these crimes, "they are responsible" and should be brought to trial.
(Note: General Wesley Clarke who was the supreme commander of NATO throughout the bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999, would of had knowledge of the targets systemically destroying infrastructure such, Hospitals, Schools, Sewerage and water treatment plants, Radio & TV Stations the list goes on but he lives as a free man that’s some food for thought.)
"The fact that Republika Srpska continues to exists dwarfs any chance for Bosnia’s improvement and embarrasses the Western world, the very same world that vowed to never let the atrocities of ww II repeat again.
As you said earlier it is the Dayton accords which is the root cause of the issue not 1 republic. If you look at the 2 republics head to head you will find Republika Srpska in a much better economic, social and regional condition than the Muslim-Croat Federation even though it never received as much funding from the west.
The world did vow that atrocities should not repeat again and yet (for e.g. the US using agent orange during the Vietnam war, till this day people are still suffering from its affects) it still happens and will continue to happen throughout the world even superpowers committed atrocities after WWII.
The Muslim state that Izetbegovic claimed needed to be supported by Milosevic as there was at the time bad publicity against the Serbs/Jugoslavs portraying them as Nazi, Fascist mass murders.
A rhetorical question. Why did the Izetbegovic government hired Rudder Finn public relations firm? Was it to feed the media lies on events in the region?
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by: Dubito.Ergo.Cogito. from: Chicago
June 21, 2011 17:27
I hate to turn this into a dialogue, since I cannot say I particularily care what any -one- individual thinks, but I would like to address some of your arguments for the mere fact that you have shared them in the public forum; therefore, I think it is imperative the public sees the other side of your views. I cannot believe that you continue stating that the facts were just propaganda. I have met now-women who were then-girls that experiences those atrocities. You are clearly a man, since you think that a woman would make up being raped by a rifle, knife, and other objects. These women were found near-death, have been taken care of by American NGOs, and are now in the US trying to live a normal life - so do not tell me that is propaganda. RAPES HAPPENED! And please do not attempt to justify those acts by stating "it was a war". No one here is disputing the just means of war, meaning - battle in the field - but Bosnian Serbs resorted to killing civilians. Did that happen on all sides? Absolutely! But it was the Bosnian Serbs who held cities under seige (FACT. Educate yourself if you think that's propaganda.), starving people to death, using snipers to shoot people while they were waiting in line for water and bread...
As for your argument that Republika Srpska is "better off" than the Federation - you're clearly blind at best and ignorant at worst. I apologize for the heated attack, but any person that actually traveled the territory (which I have) can clearly see that the Federation is better developed. Regardless though, it is sad that you and I have to speak of Bosnia's halves as if they were separate entities. They should be under one government that tolerates and encourages both ethnic and religious diversity.
Here is how you have proven to all of us that indeed it is YOU who is under the influence of propaganda. Having close ties with Belgrade, I know for a fact that NATO forces communicated with the Serbian government the targets that will be bombed well in advance; therefore, giving the government two options: either agree to NATO's terms OR evacuate the buildings. What did the government do? The Serbian government, at the time, ORDERED its people mandatory attendance to work and if anyone should have missed it for whatever reasons, the employers were ordered to fire those individuals. In other words, while NATO did bomb specific targets, it was the Serbian government that led its people to death. So, please do not compare David Clarke with Mladic. Ever.
I would appreciate if you would stop communicating with me directly for your arguments are biased, flawed, and ignorant. Thank you.
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by: Abdulmajid
June 21, 2011 21:07
Dubito, have you seen how useless it is to dicuss with those people? They still beleivbe teh the Serbs are teh saintly innocent nation. I mean, what he has to say about the extermination camp of Trnopolje...
He pretends he is a Yugo-nostalgic and in truth he is as bad a Greater Serb chauvinist as Mladic himself.
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by: Yugo
June 22, 2011 15:22
I believe dialogue was well established before you hating to turn this into a dialogue.
If you had a closer look at my opinions about the article I clearly mention that there were a number of sensational media reports (e.g. Serb accused of conducting experiments on women prisoners in particular a Bosnian women is said to have died after an attempt to make her give birth to a dog). Just another unverified report. Hence my opinion on this article is not biased but providing much needed insight on individuals portraying one sided views against Serbs and not being entirely honest the other side’s atrocities (e.g. Operation Storm a large scale military action which was undertaken by Croat Armed Forces in conjunction with the Army of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Instruction was received by U.S. based firm, MPRI and was approved by the U.S. government, approximately expelling from 150,000 to 250,000 Krajina Serbs in the most efficient single act of ethnic cleansing).
My thoughts on women claiming of rape and other atrocities no matter their background it is a serious matter and I do not dismiss them at all, I am just saying that as per my example above about media creating hype on atrocities hence the above embryo implant in a women example.
Yes there was siege of Sarajevo, Yes civilians were killed, but all by Bosnian Serb army I doubt it at all. The city was under siege because the Bosnian Serb forces wanted to expel the Bosnian Muslim rebels in the city like in a battle field except it’s in a city. The Bosnian Serb army knew very well not to kill civilians as there were a large number of Serbs/Yugoslavs living in the city, so they had to choose their targets as precise as possible. But there were alot of provocation by the rebels in the city especially in highly dense civilian areas where casualties would have occurred no matter the person’s ethnic background.
Economically RS has outweighed the Federation even though the west is pouring large amounts of funds into that republic. But I definitely agree with you that they should kick out the OHR and unite as two states along natural boundaries not ethnic.
Why would NATO forces keep the missions a secret when suppodidly the Yugoslav government knew which targets were going to be bombed?
It’s more complicated than your much summarized comment about NATO’s ultimatum. Nato’s terms was sign the Rambouillet agreement or we will bomb you, various NGO’s reported that Yugoslav government had no choice but to face the onslaught by NATO as the Rambouillet agreement was seen more as forced compromised by NATO/West and not negotiable, even though Yugoslavia didn’t agree as Madeline Albright commented “If the talks crater because the Serbs do not say yes, we will have bombing”
The Yugoslav government only ordered people to go to work in specific industries to drive a basic funtioning state e.g. food production, Hospitals, Electricity etc and only in the Public sector. But if NATO were claiming to hit military targets then it was safe to go to work? Places such as water treatment plants specifically targeted by NATO. (NOTE: This type of specific bombardment is Illegal under the UN Charter.)
I never compared Wesley Clarke to Mladic but by law he should be indicted because of his authority as NATO commander when NATO bombed Yugoslavia. He would have been approving vital civilian infrastructure targets, the same type of targets that the UN Convention on Genocide specifically mentions.
By including myself and another person in your post and yet you want me to cease my opinions about your comment some of which are a little insulting, I can see from your last comment my opinions/views are making you agitated. The comments/opinions are not biased and cannot be flawed when examples have been provided to anyone who reads it in the attempt that to make the writer realise the “BIASED” view of the conflict and the Serbian people.

Abdul I am not going to even bother replying to you!
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by: Dubito. Ergo. Cogito. from: Chicago
June 23, 2011 02:29
Yugo, I apologize for heated comments earlier. You are right - some of the things that you wrote I most definitely agitated me but you must understand my side... My family experienced atrocities in this war that I'd rather omit in this forum; therefore, I do have a first-hand knowledge (from unbiased "reports") of several "situations" (I don't know what else to call them) that occured in Bosnia. I want to clarify only one comment that you made about the Seige in Sarajevo - this was not choreographed by a legit army. The hulligans on the hills did kill, my friend, children, women, elderly, etc... Please do not tell me that is not a fact when I know it is (I hinted earlier why).

I think in order for you and I, and for that matter the entire Bosnia, to move forward it is necessary that we agree on several facts (including the one where you speak about ethnic Serbs being slaughtered in Posavina - I'm not sure if I'd agree about Krajina, which is the area dominated by Bosnian Serbs to this day). Most importantly, however, we ought to agree that what happened in Bosnia during the war is unacceptable for a civilized society and in order for us to ensure no such act will occur again, ALL EXTREMISTS MUST BE SILENCED (take that any way you'd like).

by: Damir from: Canada
June 20, 2011 23:20
@OBILIC111, educate yourself before you wreck yourself. The anger and stupidity you breed reminds me of a rabid dog...

I guess there is no machine like the Serb war/propoganda one...
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by: Slava
June 21, 2011 09:33
Damir, the piously nationalist influenced anti-Serb propaganda BS is quite unctuous.


by: Cvele from: Serbia
June 21, 2011 00:22
This is a joke. Yugoslavia fought muslim extremists funded by Al Qaida, Taliban and NATO, and defended itself. The fact that it ended with Dayton means none should be prosecuted. Only the west is perpetuating the internal Bosnian problems because it serves their interests. Serbs, muslims and croats got a long for a long time before external factors US, Germany decided to pick a side. Funny thing is how short of a memory do these countries have. It will in the end be their undoing.

by: Jim from: australia
June 21, 2011 04:51
The only genocide in and around Srebrenica was the mass murder of over 5000 innocent Serb civilians by heavily armed muslim terrorists supported by NATO and the Islamic world.
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by: ads from: australia
July 14, 2011 00:55
you are on drugs
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by: Abdulmajid
July 14, 2011 09:17
No, he is not on drugs. He, and all the others like him not only fully well know what they say (and that it's all not true, but they refuse to acknowledge the truth about Srebrenica even though it's very well documented and the evidence of genocide is irrefutable) but what is really frightening about them is that they actually believe what they say. They demonstrate that they do not want peace nor reconciliation with the Bosniaks but to continue the war by other means.
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