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At Home And Abroad, Turkey Deal A Tough Sell For Armenian President

October 07, 2009
By Brian Whitmore

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Video: The Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnaktsutyun), a political party with close ties to the Armenian diaspora, organized a hunger strike in front of the Armenian Foreign Ministry in Yerevan, protesting the agreement between Armenia and Turkey, which is due to be signed on October 10. Participants offered emotional responses to the prospect of an Armenian-Turkish rapprochement. (Video by author)

YEREVAN -- Singing patriotic songs about historic battles against the Turks, dozens of hunger strikers have been camped out in front of Armenia's Foreign Ministry building for weeks.

They are protesting a proposed agreement that would reestablish diplomatic ties between Yerevan and Ankara and open Armenia's border with Turkey, ending a crippling 16-year blockade.

Among the demonstrators is Nashan Ajemian, a man in his 50s with a low, gravelly voice, who returned to Armenia from the United States a decade ago. Standing among the protesters, he is adamant that efforts by the country's president, Serzh Sarkisian, to win support for the rapprochement will never convince Armenians to forget the crimes committed by the Ottoman Empire.

"He's trying to convince everybody that everything is OK. But we know the Turks for the past 800 years. We know who they are," Ajemian says.

"Peace is a good thing. But we're making peace with whom? With a criminal who killed my ancestors?"

Ajemian's comments came as Sarkisian was conducting a whirlwind, four-country tour in a last-minute attempt to persuade the 5.7 million ethnic Armenians living abroad to lend their support to opening ties with Turkey.

The agreement, months in the making, is due to be signed by the Turkish and Armenian foreign ministers on October 10 in Zurich, Switzerland.

Armenians abroad constitute one of the world's strongest diaspora lobbying groups, and Sarkisian has met with skepticism and resentment during his tour of France, the United States, Lebanon, and Russia.

Many in the diaspora reject the proposed rapprochement with Turkey, which they hold responsible for the slaughter of 1.5 million Armenians in 1915. They say a deal with Ankara, which rejects the Armenian assertion that the killings constituted genocide, could represent a disastrous capitulation to a long-standing, and deeply resented, enemy.

They also object to Armenia recognizing its existing border with Turkey, which they say reflects a Soviet-era deal between Moscow and Ankara that handed tracts of Armenian territory to Turkey.

Khachik Khachaturian, another Armenian returnee to Yerevan, says his father was forced to flee his homeland when Ottoman forces massacred Armenians toward the end of World War I.

Armenians marked the 90th anniversary of the Ottoman-era mass killings in Yerevan in April 2005.
"Why does Armenia have a diaspora? Why? How did it happen? These people, most of them, their ancestors are from western Armenia -- Kars, Ardahan, Tikranagert, Van -- these are areas we cannot give up," Khachaturian says.

"The genocide is an issue, and the land is a second issue. There is no way people can forget that. And we will never forgive this president. Governments come and go, but justice remains. All we ask for is justice."

'A Threat To Their Very Identity'

The diaspora's sentiment is gaining a foothold back home, as ethnic Armenians like Khachaturian and Ajemian return to their native land, firm in the conviction that a peace deal with Turkey must be fought at all costs. The ongoing hunger strike is organized by the Armenian Revolutionary Federation, a nationalist party with close ties to the diaspora.

The fierce diaspora opposition to rapprochement with Turkey reflects the political minefield Sarkisian must navigate as he pursues a policy that has the strong backing of Armenia's main foreign allies, including the United States, the European Union, and Russia.

In an interview published in "The Wall Street Journal" on October 7, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Yerevan "should not allow its policies to be taken hostage by the Armenian diaspora. It should be up to the government to carry out its policies."

Part of Sarkisian's dilemma, however, lies in convincing the diaspora of the anticipated benefits of the deal. Renewed ties with Turkey have the potential to bring commerce and clout to tiny, impoverished, and landlocked Armenia.

But that incentive has far less sway among the diaspora, who have moved on decades ago to better lives abroad.

"The diaspora has a one-issue identity; it's the genocide and nothing more. They see this whole rapprochement with Turkey as a threat to their very identity. They don't see it in the same context that the Armenian government sees it, in terms of a need to open the border and a need for normal relations," says Richard Giragosian, director of the Yerevan-based Armenian Center for National and International Studies.

"The only benefits that could come will be accrued by the Armenian government and the Armenian population. The diaspora sees nothing but harm and nothing but a threat."

'Don't Betray Us'

In fact, Turkey and Armenia briefly had diplomatic relations in the past. Turkey was among the first countries to recognize Armenian independence after the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991. But afterwards, when Armenian forces occupied the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region, which falls within the borders of Turkey's historic ally Azerbaijan, Ankara broke off diplomatic ties with Yerevan and closed its border with Armenia.

Last month, Yerevan and Ankara said they would set aside hostilities and establish diplomatic ties. The protocols to be signed on October 10 sidestep the genocide issue by establishing a joint commission to study the massacres.

Armenian President Serzh Sarkisian met with representatives of the Armenian diaspora in Los Angeles on October 4.
That step did nothing to mollify the diaspora, however. Violent protests broke out on the first leg of Sarkisian's diaspora tour on October 2 in Paris, where an estimated 200 demonstrators clashed with riot police and shouted "traitor" at the Armenian president.

In the United States, Sarkisian faced angry crowds in both New York and Los Angeles. An estimated 12,000 Armenian-American demonstrators gathered on October 4 outside the L.A. hotel where Sarkisian was staying. Held back by blockades and guardrails, protesters held signs reading: "Don't Betray Us" and "Turkey Accept the Genocide."

The Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA) issued a statement ahead of Sarkisian's visit criticizing the opening to Turkey as "a flawed and dangerous set of protocols that threaten the security of Armenia, surrender the rights of the Armenian nation, and insult the dignity of the Armenian people."

In an interview with RFE/RL in Washington, Aram Hamparian, ANCA's executive director, assailed Sarkisian for presenting the diaspora with a fait accompli, rather than taking their views into account.

"It's not a sincere opportunity for dialogue, but rather a theater, designed to create the impression that there's a back-and-forth. The fact is there is no back-and-forth," Hamparian says.

"The document was negotiated in secret, and the document is not subject to any changes, so the idea that he's coming to have a dialogue on the subject is simply not credible."

White House Support

Not all Armenian-Americans are so staunchly opposed to normalized ties with Turkey. The Armenian Assembly of America joined two dioceses of the Armenian Apostolic Church and the diaspora's largest charity, the Armenian General Benevolent Union, in issuing a statement supporting the rapprochement with Ankara.

Haig Deranian, grand master of the Knights of Vartan, an Armenian-American fraternal organization that does charitable work, also signed on to the assembly's supportive statement. He says diaspora Armenians "come from an emotional position, because we've lived the genocide" since childhood.

"Growing up -- I'm a first-generation Armenian-American -- I heard the gruesome stories from my parents and grandparents about what happened. So I'm very emotional about this issue," Deranian tells RFE/RL.

"But by the same token, you can be emotional but also be objective, and try to do what's good for the Armenians and our country."

While in the United States, Sarkisian received a telephone call from U.S. President Barack Obama expressing support for his pursuit of normalized relations with Turkey.

Back on the road, however, Sarkisian faced fresh resistance. In Beirut on October 6, an estimated 2,000 protesters gathered outside the president's hotel, carrying Armenian flags and signs reading "We Will Not Forget."

Sarkisian is due to visit Rostov-na-Donu in southern Russia before wrapping up his trip.

At 5.7 million, Armenians abroad far outnumber the 3.2 million living in Armenia proper. Due to their lobbying power, remittances, and investments in the Armenian economy, they have historically enjoyed significant influence over the country's politics and foreign affairs.

But observers say the momentum for a Turkish-Armenian rapprochement has become so strong internationally that the diaspora is unlikely to be able to scuttle the deal.

Public opinion in Armenia on the opening with Turkey is difficult to gauge, as no public opinion polls on the subject have been released. Analysts say, however, that most Armenians favor reestablishing ties with Turkey, even as deep historic resentments remain.

"I think the opening of the border will be of benefit to us," says Vahag Galstyan, a 24-year-old man walking through a park in central Yerevan.

"It would be desirable not to forget the past, but to come to terms with it, and live in peace and move forward."

RFE/RL correspondent Heather Maher contributed to this report from Washington; Suren Musayelyan of RFE/RL's Armenian Service contributed to this report in Yerevan
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by: Lucy Smith from: London
October 14, 2009 19:35
To Elvin from Azerbaijan: if you believe Nagorno Karabakh isn't an independent country, let's see if you can set foot there without a visa issued by the Goverment of the Republic of Nagorno Karabakh. Congratulations if you succeed. As to your fictional account, you wouldn't pass an elementary history exam.

by: Elvin from: AZERBAIJAN
October 13, 2009 18:35
HAHAHAHA "Azerbaijan is an entity invented by the British in order to control the Baku oil fields" you seem to be deeply mistaken. Azerbaijan existed way before that, in fact I'll you an interesting story of the Turkmenchay Treaty, when what is present day Azerbaijan was split into two parts, North becoming the part of Russia and South part of Persia (Iran). The Northern part of Iran is still called "Northern Azerbaijan", and what is very ironic about this story is that Russia received parts known as "Erivan khanate, Nakhchivan khanate and the remainder of the Talysh khanate(from wikipedia)" Erivan Khanate...sounds oddly similar to Yerevan, the present day capital of Armenia, from where millions of Azerbaijani were forced to migrate out of under Armenian rule, and following your logic we can assume that Azerbaijan has a claim over Yerevan, right?
No of course not! For those people like you, there is something known as the UN which made ANY border changes after the WWII illegal, no one cares if Armenians lived in Karabakh 500 years ago, it is part of Azerbaijan. Karabakh ISN'T an independent country and never will be, since even the Armenians didn't recognize them.
You also forget that the Sumgayit pogroms were after the war has started. Armenians is other cities were deported, not killed.
Nagorno-Karabakh army started using violence against the Azeri people there. In fact here's is a nice exert for everyone to read so that everyone could understand that Azerbaijan was merely defending itself against Armenian atrocity. "The Khojaly Massacre was the killing of hundreds of ethnic Azerbaijani civilians from the town of Khojaly on 25 February 1992 during the Nagorno-Karabakh War. According to Human Rights Watch, the tragedy struck when “a large column of residents, accompanied by a few dozen retreating fighters, fled the city as it fell to Armenian forces. As they approached the border with Azerbaijan, they came across an Armenian military post and were cruelly fired upon. The official death toll provided by Azerbaijani authorities is 613 civilians, of them 106 women and 83 children. However some insist more."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khojaly_Massacre
I have no personal hatred towards the general Armenian population, but I hope that both you Davidov and Lucy Smith understand why I and most of the Azeri's feel so strongly about the subject and I hope that you Davidov keep your insults to yourself and don't even say anything about my government.
And going back to the refugee thing; 800,000 Azeri's became refugees and only 230,000 Armenia, almost three times as much

by: Davidov
October 12, 2009 22:45
Elvin
you wrong again in many ways,
1- Armenian Karabakh people were in dispute with Soviet Azerbaijan and USSR long before collapse of USSR.
2-THe land of Nagorno Karabakh Republic was the home of Armenian majority and nothing to do with independent Azerbaijan, so Azerbaijan can not have claim on others home from USSR time.
3-It is a fact that Azerbaijan used first its army to crush the civilian Armenians in Stepanakert. so do not tell the world you are victims because no body is listening you even your step brother Turkey.

the best thing you can do is to write to Azeri leaders and say that your policy is kid's staff and they need stop dreaming and start making peace with Armenian Karabkh people. petrol ,gas and Turkey will not help you. what will help you is reading Armenian history and Armenian Genocide written by independent historians. Tashakurlar

by: Lucy Smith from: London
October 12, 2009 21:33
Elvin: Nagorno Karabakh was always inhabited by Armenians and was an integral part of Armenia up until the sovietisation of the country. After that Stalin annexed it to Azerbaijan. It never belonged to Azerbaijan, since Azerbaijan is an entity invented by the British in order to control the Baku oil fields. Azerbaijanis don't exist, they are simply Turks (one nation two countries, remember?). Concerning what you say about Armenia and Azerbaijan being in good terms just before the fall of the Soviet Union, you seem to have forgotten Azerbaijan blockaded Armenia in those days, destroyed the international aid destined to the survivors of the earthquake, killed Armenian civilians in Sumgait, Baku, Nakhichevan and Kirovabad. Immediately after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Azerbaijani air force bombed densely populated areas (you can call this war crimes)not only over Nagorno Karabakh, but over Armenia proper. As to who my informers are, I read news on news.bbc.co.uk, rferl.org and voanews.com. Finally, let me tell you they have excellent news archives. You can log on to all of them and find out what really happened in Nagorno Karabakh and read about the crimes committed by the Azerbaijani army against the Armenian civilian population. Nagorno Karabakh has expelled the Azerbaijani occupiers, it is now an independent country (however much you can dislike this) and belongs to the Armenians.

by: Elvin
October 12, 2009 20:24
Wow, I'm quite surprised at the level misinformation and bias that many people here seem to have
Lucy Smith: Nagorno-Karabakh territory was in fact according to the Armenians themselves their territory back in the days of the Armenian Empire (or Kingdom), but since then the territory has changed its owners at least a dozen of times, half of which were under the Azerbaijani rule (Aq Koyunlu and Qara Koyunlu).
Furthermore, you state that "Keep in mind Azerbaijan is the aggressor country" and that sincerely makes me wonder as to who your informer was, because your point of view seems to be very far from objective and moreover unjust. Don't forget that after the collapse of the Soviet Union Azerbaijan was still in good relations with Armenia. Millions of Armenians lived in Azerbaijan (and vice versa) and the thought of even fighting those people barely came across their minds, yet the Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh decided that it was in their rights to claim a territory which was once under their rule about 5 centuries ago. They started killing innocent people and it was Azerbaijan's right to send in the troops to PROTECT their own people and get back the territories which rightfully and legally (still) belong to them.
And Davidov: With all due respect, keep your conspiracy theories to yourself please, and please don't say anything unless you have the knowledge of it. The FIRST show was fired by Armenians, the FIRST victim was Azerbaijani, Armenian troops marched into Azerbaijan (Karabakh), not Azerbaijani into Armenia.

by: Davidov
October 12, 2009 12:24
Elvin, Elvin, Dear Elvin,

Nakorno Karabakh war started by Azerbaijan on the premise that it will be short and all Armenians will be deported to Armenia or Russia.
Armenians never said lets go to war to get Baku ! did they? No.

therefore you have legitimate question to ask Azeri leaders why they sacrified 30,000 young people? I tell you why, because Azeri leaders wants to control their people by saying that Armenians are the enemy and the Armenian Genocide is lie so on etc, so they can live in luxury without internal problems and at the same time help Turkey for his denial of Armenian Genocide.
you do not believe that 2 million Armenians were eliminated just around 1915 from Asia Minor of their historical lands because now the number of the Armenians should have been 20 million!!

in respect to Azeri refugees, you again ignoring the Armenian refugees from Azerbaijan.
Alieve signed a peace talks, lets see what is his real plans.

by: Lucy Smith from: London
October 12, 2009 12:00
Elvin: you are overlooking the fact that Nagorno Karabakh is Armenian territory inhabited by Armenians arbitrarily annexed by Stalin to Azerbaijan in the early 1920s. So it was natural that in the end Armenians would stand up and expel the Azerbaijani occupiers, as happened in 1988. And no one can blame the Armenians for repelling the Azerbaijani aggression that followed, and no one can blame the Armenians for wiping out the Azerbaijani army intent on re-occupying Karabakh and killing off the Armenian civilian population. Keep in mind Azerbaijan is the aggressor country, Armenia is successfully repelling the Azerbaijani aggression.

by: RD
October 12, 2009 04:52
Sanne, you are even more ridiculous than Fahrettin. You may conveniently forget that many of the criminals of the Ottoman Empire held very key positions in the new Turkey of Kemal Ataturk. Furthermore, atrocities against Armenians did not end when the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist. Atrocities against Armenians continued right up until the early 1920's in places like Smyrna and Eastern Anatolia by the current Turkish Government. No one is holding current Turks accountable for atrocities committed against Armenians, but holding the current Turkish Government responsible for what they have done in the past. The issue is not for anyone to profit from it, but by condemning Genocide, to avoid further Genocides.

by: RD
October 12, 2009 04:45
Fahrettin, I am not surprised to read your puerile comments. After all, you were probably educated in Turkey where pages must be missing from Turkish history books, specially between 1915 and 1923. You claim the Dashnaks killed Christians, Muslims etc. and that is why the Turkish Government removed the Armenians from Eastern Anatolia. First of all, you are mangling facts and your comments are quire silly. If that was the case, then the Turkish Government should have punished members of the Dashnak Party and not the entire Armenian population. The Armenians of Eastern Anatolia, whether they liked it or not, were citizens of the Ottoman Empire. They should have been afforded the protection of the Ottoman Empire, just like any other citizen, and not marched into the Syrian desert to their ultimate death using the convenient argument that it was for their own protection. Your arguments are quite silly, but again, not surprised considering you were probably educated in Turkey.

by: Elvin
October 11, 2009 18:38
RD, you claim that CEMs opinion is much based on "the missing chapters from the history books", yet much of what you have said is very misinformed also. You claim that the war in Nagorno-Karabakh started as a result of the Sumgayit pogroms, yet in fact it was the opposite. Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh, backed-up by the Armenian army entered the Nagorno-Karabakh territory first, and only then did the Sumgayit pogroms start.
Furthermore, we did not treat Armenians unequally, in fact there are still many Armenians who have decided to change their passport to either Russian or Azerbaijani that live in Baku nowadays.
I can't say much about the Armenian Genocide but in all justice, I can't deny it completely either. Yet I do believe that the numbers are very inflated, because killing 1.8 MILLION people seems somewhat doubtful that there was a war and Ottoman Empire was falling apart.
And at least, you seem to be very intelligent in this area of study and I'm just curious if you personally deny the fact that 800,000 Azerbaijani's became refugees and over 40,000 died (by the same means as the Armenians claim the Turkish to have killed the, rape and etc...)
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