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Can Ukraine Follow Georgia's Lead In Reforms?

Education Minister Dimitri Shashkin (left) and Finance Minister Kakha Baindurashvili are two of the young, Western-educated officials who have led reforms in Georgia.
Education Minister Dimitri Shashkin (left) and Finance Minister Kakha Baindurashvili are two of the young, Western-educated officials who have led reforms in Georgia.
By Alexa Chopivsky
Tbilisi's Prospero's Books lies tucked in an alley off Rustaveli Avenue, the city's main boulevard. It could stand in for any East Village or Notting Hill bookstore cafe. An up-front section devotes itself to MBA-sounding self-improvement titles like "Managing For Results" and "Think Strategically: Plan The Future And Make It Happen."

By comparison Siaivo Books, Prospero's equivalent in Kyiv, was raided earlier this year by masked men who expelled bookshop employees and welded the door shut in an alleged ownership dispute. Today, the space sits empty and boarded up.

Not surprisingly, the World Bank's "Ease of Doing Business 2011" survey ranked Georgia 12th out of 183 countries -- the highest grade of any ex-Soviet state and just ahead of Finland and Sweden. Ukraine clocked in at 145, five notches ahead of Uzbekistan and behind the rest of the ex-Soviet republics. Russia ranked 123rd.

Post-Soviet countries could have something to learn from Georgia's playbook. When Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili came to power after the bloodless 2003 Rose Revolution, Georgia, with its population of 4.5 million, was widely seen as one of the most corrupt countries in the former Soviet Union. Saakashvili battled corruption, streamlined bureaucracy, and pushed through successful economic reforms. The world has noticed. In 2010, Transparency International graded Georgia 68th out of 178 countries for corruption, a leap from 2003 when it ranked a lowly 127th. Ukraine ranked 134th.

A 2002 IFC Enterprise Survey indicated that more than 70 percent of firms in Georgia expected to pay bribes to public officials to get things done. In 2008, that number dropped to just 4 percent. Meanwhile, the latest "Ease of Doing Business" global report ranks Georgia eighth-easiest in starting a business, seventh in dealing with construction permits, and second in registering property.

Breaking With The Past

How did Saakashvili do it? Observers credit in part his government's cadre of young leaders who entered adulthood after the Soviet Union's breakup and in many cases earned degrees in other countries or worked for Western institutions before taking posts in the Georgian government. The government in fact encourages this migration from the old system and openness to new ideas by offering study grants for postgraduate Georgian students under age 40 who are accepted into select global universities.

While he has his critics, President Mikheil Saakashvili has transformed Georgia.
Most of Georgia's leaders speak multiple foreign languages. Finance Minister Kakha Baindurashvili, 32, studied at Williams College in Massachusetts; Georgian-born Economy Minister Vera Kobalia, 29, spent over half her life in Canada and studied at the British Columbia Institute of Technology; Energy Minister Aleksandre Khetaguri, 34, participated in World Bank and USAID training programs in the United States; Defense Minister Bachana Akhalaia, 30, worked at Tbilisi's liberal Liberty Institute, many of whose founders were elected to parliament after the Rose Revolution; Justice Minister Zurab Adeishvili, 38, earned his LLM degree in the Netherlands; Education Minister Dimitri Shashkini, 35, served as country director for the U.S. International Republican Institute; National Bank chief Giorgi Kadagidze, 30, earned his B.A. from Preston University in the United States.

Saakashvili, 42, studied at Columbia University Law School in New York, the International Institute of Human Rights in Strasbourg, and George Washington University. Prime Minister Nikoloz Gilauri, 35, earned a masters in international business management from Temple University in Philadelphia and studied economics at Ireland's University of Limerick.

In contrast, the leadership of Ukraine, a country which underwent a similar pro-democracy "colored revolution" in 2004, today remains partly unchanged from the 1990s and, in some cases, Soviet times. The National Bank chief, Volodymyr Stelmakh, 71, worked at the USSR State Bank in Moscow and, for five years in the 1980s, as an adviser to Cuba's National Bank. Since 1992 he has held various top leadership roles at Ukraine's central bank. Economy Minister Vasyl Tsushko, 47, worked as director of a Soviet state farm before briefly chairing a regional state administration and then becoming interior minister.

President Viktor Yanukovych, 60, graduated from Donetsk Polytechnic Institute in 1980 at age 30, with a major in mechanical engineering. Prime Minister Mykola Azarov, 62, earned his doctorate in geology and mineralogy from Moscow State University in 1971 and as recently as 1995, served as director of Ukraine's State Research and Design Institute of Mining, Geology, and Geomechanics.

Unlike in Georgia, Ukraine's president, prime minister, and cabinet ministers were educated in Soviet institutions and none, according to their official biographies, have trained in countries outside the USSR or Ukraine.

Looking To The World

Political will combined with international exposure and experience plays an important role in seeing through reforms, say Georgian government officials. First Deputy Economy Minister Archil Kekelia, 30, earned his MBA from the London Business School and worked at a Spanish bank.

"In the 2000s, I spent a lot of time abroad. My colleagues spent a lot of time abroad. We were able to observe how things are done in the West in business, banking, jurisprudence, health care," he says. "Now we carry with ourselves some examples and practices and knowledge of how things are done in other systems, which gives you a good mix of vision and understanding."

To implement reforms, "you need to create a new set of rules and for Georgia, it was explicit," says Georgia's National Security Council Deputy Secretary Irakli Porchkhidze, 29, who earned his master's degree at Columbia University's School of International and Public Affairs. "We wanted to create a modern government, a government that was accountable, forward-looking, small-government-oriented, fast-moving, and service-providing."

He adds that in order to push through reforms a country's leadership first needs to be idealistic, then needs to demonstrate political will and a cohesive political elite that endorses and stands behind the reforms. "You need vision as well," he adds. "What do you want your country to be associated with, to look like in five, 10 years?"

Saakashvili's clean break from Georgia's old system was both symbolic (the country changed its anthem, flag, and coat of arms) and practical, swiftly taking advantage of the momentum and trust that flowed from the Rose Revolution.

The government passed a new Tax Code, streamlining administration and reducing the number of taxes from 26 ultimately to six low, flat taxes, earning Georgia the fourth most tax-friendly ranking in the world on "Forbes Tax Misery and Reform Index 2009."

Georgia also battled corruption. Where systemic corruption had been a way of life, the government increased efficiency and cut red tape in the public sector. It instituted a competitive national testing program for school admissions where once money could earn an entry place and, in 2005, famously fired the entire corruption-ridden traffic police corps in one day, cutting 30,000 from the payroll. A new force was put in place through open competition, and salaries were increased tenfold. The government also thinned its bureaucratic procedures. While the previous government's 300 licenses and 600 permits opened the door to corruption, today most Georgian agencies are one-stop shops.

Youth Is Not Enough

Georgia's reformist spirit manifests itself even in smaller details: for example, the government's official website. The president's biography page includes an icon where the public can report corruption. The government's website lists leaders' -- including the prime minister's -- phone numbers and e-mail addresses. Every page is available in English, providing information on various topics from tourism to government tenders to unique investment opportunities. In contrast, not all Ukrainian government websites are available in any language other than Ukrainian (see the Justice Ministry's website) and information is often hard to find or unavailable.

Georgia's reforms were self-driven, according to Ghia Nodia, political analyst and professor at Ilia State University, and not about following Western advice on gradual systemic changes. "It took lots of daring to even set that objective and to believe that it's possible," Nodia says. "The people who were young and some of them socialized in the West or used to working in Western organizations -- they had this daring."

"The Georgian example could in the future serve as an example in terms of motivating people that it's possible," he adds. "If it's possible in Georgia then it can be done in other countries, in that sense."

Youthful leadership alone, however, is not itself a catalyst for change. "Corruption will never go away by itself. The idea that a new generation will fix it is not right. Corrupt fathers pass bad habits to their children," says Shota Utiashvili, 32, head of the Georgian Interior Ministry's information and analysis department. "If you want to fight corruption, you need to fight it everywhere -- in the police, courts, customs -- it needs to be a unified approach. In Ukraine and Russia, you occasionally get a show trial of a guilty person, but everyone knows there are hundreds, thousands as guilty as him who never get punished."

One of Georgia's key decisions, according to Utiashvili, was to start arresting corrupt people close to the top, including two members of parliament in 2004 and 2006 for, respectively, extortion and paying a bribe. "That set an example and was repeated over and over," accompanied by heavy press coverage. Today, Georgia investigates corruption using "stings" -- a common U.S. law enforcement practice -- sending undercover agents with hidden cameras to expose corruption. Offering a bribe, as well as accepting a bribe, is criminally punishable.

At the same time, an old-guard leadership does not preclude reform. Kazakhstan, where President Nursultan Nazerbaev, 70, has been in power since 1990, improved business regulation the most this year. According to "Doing Business 2011," it moved up 15 places in the "Ease of Doing Business" rankings to 59th among 183 economies. Kazakh Prime Minister Karim Masimov, 45, spent time studying and working in Beijing and Hong Kong.

Out With The Komsomol

Eschewing clan ties was another element critical to Georgia's reforms. "The president when he came to power was young and not attached to old teams. He was free of these friendships and this kind of political elite. This was absolutely a new team," Deputy Economy Minister Kekelia says. "If you look at neighboring countries, you won't see a young person that came to government with his own team of youngsters. Look at Armenia, Azerbaijan, Central Asia -- most of these guys are ex-members of the Komsomol. Same thing with Ukraine; same thing with Russia -- you have a KGB guy there."

Ukrainian lawmaker Natalia Korolevskaya, 35, says that in today's Ukraine there are few top-echelon leaders who don't remember and didn't work in the Soviet regime, calling it "our colossal insufficiency." According to Korolevskaya, on her recent visit to Georgia Saakashvili told her he considered his country's main reform to be that it was "able to create a team consisting of a new generation of leaders who don't have the reflex of taking bribes, who don't have limited ideas, who are capable of realizing reforms."

"Unfortunately," she adds, "we don't have this in our country because when people implementing the reforms are those who actually created the system, we understand that we can't expect real results. Ukraine's main problem is corruption."

One example of a leader on his way up may be Andriy Shevchenko, 34, a lawmaker and former journalist who studied at Yale University as a world fellow and now chairs parliament's Free Speech Committee.

The Ukrainian government recently announced its intention to send 300 students in 2011 to study in Western universities.

Realizing The Risks

Despite its successful reforms, Georgia's system remains a work in progress. Opposition leader and head of the Our Georgia-Free Democrats bloc Irakli Alasania, 36, says the current government's tendency to appoint younger leaders has divided society and cast away the over-55 crowd as "useless." Alasania believes Georgia needs to combine "the young educated people with the experienced people."

He also agrees with critics who say the government enforces an unfair election environment and restricts press freedoms. He adds that while street corruption largely has been cleaned up, elite corruption flourishes.

Last month, Georgia's parliament voted to change the constitution and give the prime minister greater powers than the president. Critics say the amendments were created and passed to benefit Saakashvili, whose second presidential term ends in 2013 and who some speculate will then become prime minister -- the path Vladimir Putin took in Russia.

Nodia also sees an innate weakness in the current system. "When you are so daring in appointing very young people to high positions, it means you take risks all the time. Sometimes it works, but some people don't [work out]. So you change people all the time, and that's, of course, a weakness."

Could the Georgia model work in Ukraine? With its 46 million people, Ukraine has a larger uphill battle to fight, according to the deputy chairman of the Georgian parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee, Giorgi Kandelaki, 28. "Ukraine is a big country. It doesn't have territorial problems; it doesn't have war. It can withstand upheavals much easier," he says. "But at the same time it's slower to change. Stagnation is impossible [in Georgia]. Either you move, or you fail."

In Ukraine, a younger generation of managers with international experience has yet to be promoted to top posts because of what critics call a closed leadership circle. "The older people don't give young people the chance to change [Ukraine]. They think they will change Ukraine by themselves, but I think it's difficult," Georgia's Ambassador to Ukraine Grigol Katamadze says.

"There are certain limitations that the young politicians [in Ukraine] have in terms of moving ahead or creating strong enough political alliances," says Nick Maxymiv, a Kyiv-based financial consultant with experience in both Ukraine and Georgia. "A lot of things in Ukraine are manipulated by money. There's a great dividing line between politicians who are business owners with money and politicians who are just open-minded, Western-educated, with no finances."

Alexa Chopivsky is a journalist based in Kyiv. The views expressed in this commentary are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect those of RFE/RL
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Comment Sorting
by: Vahe from: CA,USA
November 28, 2010 16:16
At least other ex soviet republics do not ruin their country by fighting with Russia. By the way Georgian economy is not in a very good shape if you compare it with other post soviet republics.
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by: Anonymous
November 28, 2010 18:48
Sure, if you say so, Vahe
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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
November 28, 2010 23:46
Vahe from California reminds me an old WW2 truthfull joke,
About SS and Gestapo squizing a French for valuable possessions:
- "You ruine yourself by resisting, unlike those in camps, already robbed,
Or those we didn't round-up yet! Give-up your gold, furrs, and valuable papers!

Georgia doesn't fight Russia - Russia is already occupying genocidized lands
And annexed territories, it is Russia wants more and extending bloody hands!

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by: J from: US
December 01, 2010 01:06
Now say what you just said in verse
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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
December 13, 2010 20:33
"J" from US, I do not make verses on demand.
I just telegraph short but catchy phrazes to amend
The misguided or deliberately missleading enemy lies
That meant and could bring evil to many as it already does.

I do not play around Jo...
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by: Andrew from: Auckland
November 29, 2010 05:25
Actually it has mainly been the Russians making proxy war on the Georgians since 1991 Vahe.

Get your facts right.
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by: Rasto from: London
November 29, 2010 15:41
Not it is not in good shape comapre to countries rich in oil and gas. But fails little behind these who do have a lot of natural resources such as Azerbaijan
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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
December 15, 2010 08:14
It is a Russian mania to steal a lot of oil and gas from neighbors
And resale it more expensive to the West - live like Arab Shakes.
So far it only get to Russia, as it alqways does, an aggression
Against neighbors, backed-up by silence of energy blockade.

Georgia was always rich country by its people's creations,
But Russia made it nearly impossible economicly to hold.
The created agricultural, energy and creative adge - gone,
In Colhis and Shida-Kartli, 20% refugees instead of gold.

Similar role playing Eastern Ukraine - the Russian influx,
Eastern Moldova, Fergana and so on - Russia's crimes.
They try impoverish other nations, even USA is hooked,
While Russia squize stolen oil-gas money and rearms.

Azerbaijan oil helps, but not as much as old friendship
Between Iberia-Albania-Colhis, through known history.
Success of Georgia-Azerbaijan is not in pipe-line fees
But in restoring old spirit of the Median UN and "Imedi".
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by: Rasto from: London
November 29, 2010 15:49
Do you consider Russian shift in supporting Lukashenko's opposition instead of supporting Lukashenko as an Lukashenko's failure or just a shif in the Putin's mood or sudden dislike in his former protege ? Would you be more staisifed with Saakashvili bringing his country in to the Putin's feet as Abkhaz leaders did?
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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
December 12, 2010 21:47
The only very bad misstake that one can do
Would be excite an apetite of devil and sabdue.
If there is any reason for legitimate help or due,
Let's reason it in open, but not with devil's hew,
Only with people - as we helped them in 1922.

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by: BS Buster
December 02, 2010 00:46
On the matter of instituting reform in countries with some development, it''s much easier to do such in considerably smaller countries in population and land mass

Another thing to consider are what some statistics might overlook when applied in a certain way.
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by: Anonymous
December 06, 2010 14:03
“Georgia’s total foreign state debt came to $3.382 billion on December 31, 2009, or 31.5% of GDP.”

How do you call such country? Oh, right – “bankrupt”!

One way out is to serve as a base for someone else's bizarre interests.

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by: bob
December 07, 2010 14:13
Well, that's better than Sweden, let alone most of the West:
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by: BS Buster
December 07, 2010 14:26
Be interesting to see a breakdown.

Alos consider Goergia's size relative to its tab.
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by: bob
December 07, 2010 15:42
"Alos consider Goergia's size relative to its tab."

Which part of "percent of GDP" is hard to understand? This means that it does not compare the totals, but their size relative to the size of their economy. You're trying too hard to be clever.
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by: Anonymous
December 07, 2010 20:27
Another brash Wiki whiz.

Official Georgian stats and those of its supporters abroad are most probably cooked.

See how this issue plays out a few years (or even months) from now. Regardless, it doesn't take as much to advance a small country with an existing infrastructure over some larger nations.

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by: bob
December 07, 2010 20:46
The figures were yours, not from Wikipedia. Your statement that a national debt of less than 35% = "bankrupt" is just silly. Again, you're trying to hard to be clever -- and failing miserably.
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by: Anonymous
December 08, 2010 05:16

How so?
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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
December 15, 2010 08:50
"BS Buster" - just opposite - Russian policy as "Suprpower"
Is periodicly usurp Peter's "pushka" and Joseph's "bomba"
Attacking nations that build it, trying turn them into cowards.
The smaller is a nation the more they beat it into a "tumba".

Anonimous - estimate is neither properly done nor a point.
Pact of Britishs, Bechtel and Russia, plus some Quislings
That Russia owned makes unclear what old USSR wants.
I withhold advisory on it - I know not wether this site is real.
Not "bankrupt", it's Russian invasion, blessed by the Brits.

BS Buster again - with the same joifull estimate of a "bust"
That Bob is questioning, but Anonimous jumping very fast
And out of the line - most of the help related to aggression
By Russia to small country. His and whiz ignorant creation.

by: Mike2
November 28, 2010 21:27
Saakashvili takes babies in his government because they are easy to get rid off. Some end up in opposition, but the opposition is split.

Because these babies depend politically on Saakashvili, he can control them 100%. That is dangerous, the economic data is fake for example. Await big trouble in Georgia when the MBA's will lose the ability to lie about the real economic figures.

All that said, bravo America for putting a guy in power who tinks first about your interest, and only after that about his own people. Bravo, but it will end in a catastrophe.

The article should be titled: when will Georgia follow the Ukraine post Orange fiasco route?
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by: BS Buster
November 29, 2010 12:32
There was an earlier piece like the above article in the Kyiv Post by someone else.

Orange leaning types have a way of developing and implementing a certain kind of rehashed process.

"Transparency International" has an Orwellian connotation to its name.
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by: Anonymous
November 29, 2010 16:13
Chopivsky is a Soros bottom feeder.

Guess there are instructions from above about making the paralels between Ukraine and Georgia and to praise Saakashvili in a sneaky way. As if fotogenic post pubers will save the day.

I just wonder what will happen to all those "experts", "journalists" and "civil society defenders" when the US will lose the ability to simply print money. Will they have to spice up their writings/opinions to catch the interest of right wing media outlets?
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by: BS Buster
November 30, 2010 02:05

Soros funded orgs. and those like them encourage a definite and often times questionable slant for sure.

Western education in the hard sciences and business can help, unlike some of the influential Western takes on historical and political issues. Unfortunately, the negatives of the latter grouping find their way influencing people who specialize in other fields.

Just look at the media situation. At RFE/RL and some other venues, the selection of articles indicates that certain views pay more than others.
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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
December 18, 2010 03:45
First allegation of yours is Russian "neskladuha",
"Babies in his goverrnment" controll them 100%?
You sure would like 100% controlled by "makuha"
Of Russian nazi telepathy USSR Gauliters "ment"!

What has it to do being dangerous economic data?
Wish Russia destroy economicly Georgia and CIS?
Brainwash the World? Sabotage energy by Russia?
Predict for USA end in catastrophe, as Russia plans?

Who is "Bravo" for, recrueting Chaves for energy blocade?
Saakashvili wasn't put by USA - he thinks about his people,
However, if Russian telepathy USSR spies sitting in his head
It would explain why he and Yushenko didn't beat Russian riddles -
Sabotaged, encroached and attaked - while helping their people stand.

Ukraine shouldn't follow anybody, but go strait, as Georgia stand - be free.
Ukraine its own nation - but stand against imperial evil it must - not to flee!
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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
December 18, 2010 08:03
BS Baster - real BS for Russia - did "Orange rehashed"?
Do they talk to each other again, without fear of reprisals?
How dare they! Didn't Russia ordered their heads crushed?
Or Transparancy International holding back Orwellian Russia?
You learned your Jesuitics, "Wonderland upside-down" brashes.

Anonimous - instructions from above are coming from Rashkas,
By agreement of 1954-56 - to resurect empires with Prashkas.
The British were also there - as mentor of "How-Do-You-Do",
While Prashkis from Russia's party line - a dirty work to do.
To push reforms to a simplified label was their blyashka!

A country must go strait and just by Law of man and God!
Any nation has its own way, while the solidarity also must
Among the Just and Strait victims of an encroaching mad,
As well as human solidarity of Soros - will the dollar last?
At least as long as Russian hunger for sucking our blood.

Western education isn't as good as before burned books,
By Hrutchev's Russia, was in USSR, but Russia is worst.
You weren't so picky, when they saved your Russia, cook,
In 1922 and in WW2 - envy victims of your Russian force?
Vindictivly stealing "unitazens" and blockading as shnuks?

by: Boris from: London
November 29, 2010 12:10
Georgian reforms are unique in terms of great results achieved in a very short period of time in almost every diraction. Under the constant pressure from Soviet KGB that runs Kremlin today.

And, no VAhe, Geoergia doesn't fight Russia. The Soviet KGB instigatet a civil war in Georgia in early 1990s, isnerted old communist government (unfortunatly Amerircans most probably had agreed in avdvance on the candidacy of Shevardnadze), and then occupied the Georgian territories (by means of proxy wars) in order to prevent the country from developmnet. They were very successfull, considering the limited ability of KGB in the middle of Soviet collapse. Just one thorn got in their back, the "rose revolution"... They still can't get it out, in spight of trying by all the means at their disposal. And these means are collosal today.
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by: BS Buster
November 30, 2010 02:07
Nonsense, as shown by how Ossetians and Abkhaz generally prefer Russia over Georgia.

There's more to Georgian "reforms" than what some spin.
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by: Boris from: London
November 30, 2010 07:31
BS buster,

Looks like you guys are being tought some English in KGB undergrad school. Next step for you is to take some SAT type standardized tests, in order to develop some analytical ability, and at least some common sense by extension.
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by: Rasto from: London
November 30, 2010 09:37
Honestly if Ossetians prefer to live in Russia they are free to pack their seven plums and move out of Georgian territory. Would you suggest that these Ossetian villages located in central Georgia around Bakuriani or in lower Pankisi should be also announced as a Russian territiory ? How about to name territory with towns such as Crow Agency, Little Big Horn, Lame Deer in Montana and other US native people land as an independent Crow country? They would prefer it too.
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by: BS Buster
November 30, 2010 13:16
Boris, your KGB like hack attacks don't work because they lack substance.

Rasto, Ossetians are akin to South Ossetia.
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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
December 24, 2010 02:28
And I would add to it that Hitler also would like conquer Ireland,
With territory from Liverpol through London - for brother German
From Ireland - the friend of Hitler from the "Night of Long Knifes".
But Hitler wasn't as impudent as Medvedev, Zuganov and Putin,
Calling Ocetin women that Russia raped legal Russia's "wifes".

No real Osetin or Abkhazian whants to be in Russia - they lying!
After Russia invaded South Osetia they brought few old churkas
From Army danceing units playing "Osetin" - Russian balalayka
And children of Russia rapes, even they hated it without smiling!

Northern Osetia hated it to - they refused to join Russian "Lazha"
- It is why GRU and Spetcnaz murdered many children in Beslan,
Busted Ocetia government and replaced it by Gauliters of Russia!
Northern Osetia would be with Georgian CIS, not as Russia plan!

Russia is all over the World with devide and rule nazi preparations
And more sofisticated than Gebbels propaganda - even You Tube,
Denying me reply to someone insultin Afghans - as Persian colony.
I objected, but I do not understand what was wrong to be regected!

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by: Konstantin from: Los Angeles
December 20, 2010 04:38
Boris is right, thought he a bit underestimate KGB,
It isn't KGB, as USSR label might go, but Russia spree
Leading Imperial resurectors and Quislings of USSR Babilon
To Great Empire, including Eastern Europe - Russian "Bambu-Bee".

Jump to Persian Golf and Indian Ocean was holted - by Afghan "war".
Jump to former USSR republics - now CIS - crawl by Russia's "vors".
Not just KGB, but GRU, Spetcnaz and Army, with a secret Third Force
Were prepared to termidors - just Russia's lies World do not endorce.

USSR didn't collapse Boris, Russia turned it into evil colonial Empire.
We return it to Preamble and Constitution of 1936 - and CIS emerged.
Shevarnadze was appropriate at the time, being quite well connected,
Credit for a country - but Russia planed betrail - it is still not corrected.

All transformations in USSR-CIS and Termidors, might be a "Reality",
But Russian agenda pushing envelope of evil out of accepted triviality
Even against its own people, the normal Russians that Varanga hate,
Resurecting serfery as foundaton of the new evil Empire - at the gate!

by: BS Buster
November 29, 2010 14:31
Not just a simple case of propaganda:

Georgia: Living Beyond Its Means

Thousands Show Their Distrust of Georgian President
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by: Anonymous
November 30, 2010 11:48
You're not seriously posting links to Russia Today, the comically bad Fox-meets-The Onion Russian govt station, are you?

Some think posting opinions as somehow widely known facts is a transparent ploy for trolls, Comrade Averko.
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by: BS Buster
November 30, 2010 20:07
Oh really, flack like dupe (if not the real McCoy) for people thinking like Hoare, Kamm, Fitzpatrick among others.

S**m like yourself have to divert with names.

I prefer sticking to the issues, which in forum terms permits for a moniker like your anonymous self.

"Comrade Averko" (as you incorrectly put it) is by no means alone.

There's plenty to second guess about clinging to Georgia as an ideal model for Ukraine.
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by: Anonymous
November 30, 2010 20:37
Why no mention of Comrade Allin, Comrade Amsterdam and Comrade Kirchick, when they seem more left wing?

Russia Today and Fox have issues.

by: BS Buster
November 29, 2010 15:40
Georgian government personnel in action:

I'm reminded of how the politically corrupted Serb youth group Otpor carried on.

Imagine the dramatization if Russian government personnel were caught engaging in such manner.

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by: Andrew from: Auckland
November 30, 2010 04:39
Ah we can see that our local BS spouter is still falling for Russian propaganda.

Really BS, do you not find it interesting that only one Portuguese newspaper (owned by a Moscow resident) made this claim, and that the NATO representatives (including the French one might add) have rubbished it.

If you really think it is possible to sneak prostitutes into a hotel containing the some of the worlds most important heads of state by claiming they are your wife, when all people entering the hotel are subject to strict security checks such as biometric scans, you are even more retarded than you normally appear to be.

"Lisbon Hotel Denies Georgian Politician Scandal"

Oh and BS, using Russia Today web links is kind of like using links to neo-nazi propaganda. Of course, you being a supporter of totalitarian rule, mass murder and genocide this is not at all surprising.
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by: BS Buster
November 30, 2010 13:17
A number of other links which aren't Russian government affiliated as well Android.
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by: BS Buster
November 30, 2010 13:26
BTW Android, I once again deny your off the wall LIES which have the patented touch of a sleazeball.

On another idiotic point of yours, some people have successfully crashed American presidential dinners as uninvited guests.

In this latest reported news item, it'd be easier for prostitutes to get in if the invited party is allowed to bring in additional folks.
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by: Andrew from: Auckland
December 01, 2010 05:46
But BS spouter, it was only reported in one Russian owned Portuguese newspaper, and has been denied by everybody including the French, the Hotel management, the NATO spokesman etc.

Of course nobody expects honesty from a genocide denier like yourself, you have been slapped down on all of your war crimes support by historians and international experts Mr. Averko.

You are on record as denying the Serbian war crimes in Srebrenica

You outright support Russian war crimes in places like Georgia.

You should be ashamed of yourself Averko, you really are a typical neo-fascist example of the Serbo-Russian ultra nationalist.
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by: Anonymous
December 01, 2010 10:26
Andrew's whataboutism points are off topic and out of line.
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by: Boris from: London
December 01, 2010 13:25
oh, this BS spouter is Michael Averko? this fascist guy is well known to the syber community.
Thanks Andrew for uncovering him.
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by: BS Buster
December 02, 2010 01:11

At this thread, you allowed for monikers "Andrew" and "Boris" to get off topic with diatribes.

It's therefore appropriate to post the below which was previously submitted. BSB

Android, your bizarre infatuation for one person and linking of deceit is a tell all sign of what you're about.

Here're some other links:

Daniel Toljaga and La Russophobe are frauds like yourself. It's no surprise that you uncritically agree with them and other dirt bags who carry on in the same underhanded way.

Rather than engage the issues, trolls like yourself pursue diatribes, in an apparent effort to eliminate valid opposition to your BS.

As for the actual thread related subject matter, I note your referring to a Russian state related media organ in RIA Novosti. That article takes the form of a straight news report, whose contents don't rule out the claim made in the pieces I linked.

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by: Andrew from: Auckland
December 03, 2010 04:45
Listen Averko, you should be on trial for aiding and abetting Serbian and Russian war crimes.

Your lack of anything remotely resembling human decency is all to apparent to anyone with any morals whatsoever, as shown by your lauding of Serbian war criminals, your support for Russian war crimes in the north and south Caucasus, and your support for a "Greater Serbia", and your all too apparent hypocrisy.

BTW "Grey Falcon" is just another Serbian apologist, as for "Encyclopedia Dramatica" well please.....

Serbia was the aggressor in all each of the Balkan wars, just as Russia and its puppet states were the aggressors in Georgia.

You are simply another Serbo Russian neo fascist Averko, as shown by your hatred of all non slavs.
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by: BS Buster
December 04, 2010 13:22
The rabid maniac La Russophobe (Catherine Fitzpatrick) anti-Serb/anti-Russian troll bigot comes back with off the wall diatribes on subjects not related to the above article.

How telling of the kind of discourse favored by some.

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by: Andrew from: Auckland
December 05, 2010 14:14
Actually Averko, your support for war criminals is directly relevant, as we can safely dismiss anything you say.

Your stupidity is obvious, as is your rabid racism towards non Slavs.

Your inability to handle the truth is also apparent, considering that all parties involved at the NATO summit have rubbished the story which you claim (also note that the original story was one prostitute, not 80......) is gospel truth because it appeared in a single local newspaper owned by a Russian, and on RuSSia Today, a government owned propaganda station.

Then there is what can only be described as your schitzoid belief that it is OK for Russia and Serbia to kill thousands upon thousands of people in the name of state integrity while deliberately undermining their neighbors. Of course, you don't seem to consider that Croatians, Bosnians, or Georgians are human beings let alone that they have any rights.
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by: BS Buster
December 06, 2010 03:52
Loser Andrew in action elsewhere:

From the looks of things, Andrew is the bigot at this thread (as well as some others) who gets off topic with inaccurate whataboutism points on other issues.

No small wonder why he's a preferred moniker at La Russphobe (Catherine Fitzpatrick).

The two exhibit a similar wacko delivery.
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by: Rasto from: London
November 30, 2010 09:51
Russian government is being caught of profound brainwashing at least several times a year in last 20 years. the latest is the Pozner and Parfenov casue and censorship in Russian television.
On some of your links.
.40 % of GDP debt is sort of lower average of EU. No wonder Putin's arse licker in Georgia Noghiadeli is spreading panic about that.
Ad Georgian democracy - in this country opposition can at least run free street meetings and demonstartions against government while in Russia every opposition demonstartion is banned and if ban is not obeyed the participants at the meetings are jailed. Georgia is far away from democracy but Russia is nowehere near to Georgia.
Ad Lisabon meeting. This example of malign Russian propaganda shown the full scale evil and malignity of Russian style brainwasing that does not stop from throwing dirt at someone hated even at the diplomatic level. This was teh Russian answer to the Saakashvili speech...Nice one
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by: BS Buster
November 30, 2010 13:21
Contrary to your claim, there're demonstrations and opposition media in Russia.

If Georgia is so, great South Ossetia and Ankhazia wouldn't show a preference for Russia.

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by: Alex from: Germany
December 03, 2010 16:20
Why do russians hate Georgia so much ? Are they afraid that Georgia shows the world that it is possible to fight against corruption and improve conditions for doing business while Russia seems to fail totaly. I think they should mind their own business and leave Georgia in peace.
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by: Anonymous
December 06, 2010 11:13
That doesn't answer the question pertaining to why Ossetians and Abkhaz prefer Rusia over Georgia.

Saakashvili encourages a misguided against Russians:

by: Taras from: Frankfurt
November 30, 2010 07:13
Nothing is worse than clan economics intermingled with corruption. Ukraine won't get anywhere if it does not address its corruption problem.
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by: BS Buster
November 30, 2010 13:19
Valid point.

However, Georgia isn't so glowing an example as he above article suggests.
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by: Anonymous
November 30, 2010 20:40
The perfect world has yet to be found.

It's definitely not in Georgia.

Give Ukraine time and be wary of Orange propaganda.
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by: Boris from: London
December 01, 2010 08:03

I would advise you to try to find a decent job, instead of sitting in the forums all day long, and contaminating the syberspace with your skewed opinions on serious matters.

And a decent job for you would probably be to sell some peanutts at your local Moscow suburb metro station.
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by: BS Buster
December 01, 2010 09:55
Boris, I'm not like you.

It's therefore incorrect to transfer how you should carry on.
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by: Anonymous
December 01, 2010 10:28
You seem to be in need of good advice Boris.
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by: Boris from: London
December 02, 2010 08:44
BS Spouter, Anonimous,

you guys need to at least get the traffic police not take bribes in Russia, and then try to attack Georgia on various issues. Georgian reforms are unprecedented. Achievments uniquew and revolutionary. And these achievements have been made while Putin considers them a personal insult, and does all he can to stop the devolopment of Georgia.

armies of this BS spouter and alike conduct propaganda compain against Georgia 24/7, but it still doesn't work, because the king is naked. And you can't sell this propagand to the western free society, just to the drunker in the Russian kitchen.
BTW, did you notice how Medvedev ran away from OSCE summit in Astana, not to face explicit and tough worded criticism on Georgian matters?

Evil will be defitted sooner or later (once the US frees up itself from middle east, and oil prices drop), and Georgia liberated.
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by: Anonymous
December 02, 2010 10:59
Keep dreaming Boris.

A number of Western elites have curbed their earlier enthusiasm for Saakashvili.

Cherry picked statistics don't tell the whole story.

The EU and NATO are bogged down.

Saaki won't be around forever, with a growing number of Western educated former Soviets getting disilussioned.
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by: Boris from: London
December 02, 2010 14:21

NATO and EU are bogged down, because there is mad man (Kremlin) in the house wielding a Dubinka. They are trrying to restrain him peacefully. And they will sooner or later, one way or the other.

Regarding Saakashvili being around, point is that he's already built a statehood in Georgia, and it won't matter (soon) if he's around or not. There ara transparent state institutions already built in Georgia. There is a young, well educated and not corrupt (and not soviet) elite who won't need one strongman to lead the country and show them a way.
Totally unlike Russia, where you guys need one strongmen (Tzar) to fear and obey, because you never had a proper statehood. Its all based on personality. If Putin dies tomorrow all the structure will plummet. This is because you guys are about a sentury or more behind in terms of societal development, and thus base everything on fear and sheer force.

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by: Anonymous
December 03, 2010 03:03
Keep dreaming Boris.

Congrats. to Russia for getting the 2018 World Cup.

Russia is advancing whether propagandists like yourself like it or not.

by: J from: US
December 02, 2010 13:55
read in today's NY Times:
-In fact, Georgia would launch a heavy artillery-and-rocket attack on Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital, at 11:35 p.m. on Aug. 7, ending a cease-fire it had declared less than five hours before.
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by: Luke Skywanker from: Milwaukee
December 17, 2010 12:35
I've been viewing the comments of Michael Averko now for quite a while on various blogs.

I have to say I am not impressed by this guy.

His rabid pro-Slav nonsense is breathtaking in its stupidity and his opinions are, to say the very least, highly questionable.

Michael you do yourself no favors with your attitude.

You need to raise your game big time.

by: Anonymous
December 03, 2010 16:51
Watch how popular the guy on the picture is in Georgia. No thanks, no Georgia for Ukraine.