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RFE/RL's Balkan Service asked people on the streets of Sarajevo and Belgrade for their reactions to the arrest of war crimes fugitive Ratko Mladic in Serbia. Their responses run the gamut from delight to anger and shame. Produced by Tina Jelin and Iva Mar

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WATCH: Residents of Belgrade and Sarajevo react to news of Mladic's arrest to RFE/RL's Balkan Service.

By RFE/RL

The UN war crimes tribunal's most-wanted fugitive, former Bosnian Serb military commander Ratko Mladic, has been arrested in Serbia, after more than 15 years on the run.

Serbian President Boris Tadic confirmed the arrest at a hastily called press conference in Belgrade, saying Mladic was apprehended "on Serbian soil" this morning.

He said the extradition process already is under way to send Mladic to the UN war crimes tribunal at The Hague, where he will face charges of genocide and war crimes stemming from the Balkan wars of the 1990s.

Police and other officials told local media that he had been found in Lazarevo, a village of some 2,000 residents about 100 kilometers northeast of the capital.

Mladic was long thought to be hiding within Serbia, protected by ultranationalist supporters.

Radmilo Stanisic, the de facto mayor of the village, said that before sunrise, special forces quietly swooped in on Mladic's hideout, a single-story yellow brick house thought to be owned by a relative.

Rasim Ljajic, a government minister in charge of cooperation with the UN  tribunal, said Mladic “looked like an old man" when he was arrested.

"He was pale, which could mean he rarely ventured out of the house -- a probable reason why he went unnoticed," he said.
   
Ljajic said Mladic had two handguns in his possession, but did not resist arrest and was “cooperative."

While in hiding, Mladic was said to be going by the name “Milorad Komadic.”

Serbian State TV said Mladic was undergoing medical exams at a court in Belgrade before facing a judge who will read him the UN war crimes indictment.

Mladic's lawyer later told reporters that the judge cut short the questioning because Mladic’s "poor physical state" left him unable to communicate.

Attorney Milos Saljic said Mladic “is aware that he is under arrest, he knows where he is, and he said he does not recognize The Hague tribunal.”

The UN-backed tribunal today said Mladic’s transfer will take place after the completion of judicial proceedings required by Serbian law, which could take about a week to complete.

The UN-backed court said Mladic’s transfer will take place after the completion of judicial proceedings required by Serbian law.

'Important Step'

The capture of Mladic was welcomed by the tribunal’s chief prosecutor, Serge Brammertz, who said Belgrade had "fulfilled one of its international obligations."

European Union foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton, who was in Serbia today, hailed the arrest and said her thoughts were with the victims of Mladic’s alleged war crimes.

"Today more than ever I think about the families and friends of the victims of the conflict and I feel it is really important that we remember them and think of them especially," she said.

At a later joint press conference with Tadic, she said, "This step is a testimony that Serbia is a state which has firmly established rule of law.”

European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso also welcomed the arrest in an interview with the BBC on the sidelines of the G8 summit in Deauville, France.

"This is great news. I was, exactly one week ago, in Belgrade. I had an extensive, very deep, sincere conversation with President Tadic, and he promised me that he'd do everything to arrest Mladic. So if this is the case, it means that he is keeping his word, so that we should trust Serbia's determination also to come closer to the European Union," he said.

In other reactions, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said the arrest "finally offers a chance for justice to be done," and UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon hailed the arrest as "an historic day for international justice."

Leaders from countries ranging from Turkey to Germany to neighboring Croatia and Kosovo also welcomed Mladic’s capture.

Bakir Izetbegovic, the Muslim member of Bosnia and Herzegovina's tripartite presidency, said the arrest "is also an impulse for the process of reconciliation.

"It is very important to say and to understand that the arrest has been made by the legal authorities of Serbia supported by the agencies from Bosnia and Herzegovina," he added.

In a statement, U.S. President Barack Obama said “While we will never be able to bring back those who were murdered, Mladic will now have to answer to his victims, and the world, in a court of law.”

U.S. State Department spokesman Mark Toner said the arrest sends a signal to other fugitives that “International justice works.”

The 69-year-old Mladic is charged with war crimes and genocide during the Balkan wars of the 1990s -- including the 43-month siege of Sarajevo in which 12,000 people were killed, "ethnic cleansing" in Bosnia, and orchestrating the massacre of more than 7,000 Muslim men and boys after the fall of Srebrenica in July 1995.

As the most infamous atrocity of the Balkan wars of the 1990s, the killings at Srebrenica were the largest act of mass murder in Europe since the Nazi holocaust of World War II.

'Good For Serbia'

Tadic said Mladic's arrest is "good for Serbia" because it "closes a page" in the country's history -- opening new opportunities for cooperation with other countries in the region" and clearing the way for Serbia to become a member of the European Union.

WATCH: Serbian President Boris Tadic makes the Mladic announcement:

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He said the arrest and extradition of Mladic also helps "raise Serbia's moral credibility in the world."

"We are not making calculations on when and how to deliver [Mladic to The Hague]," Tadic said. "We are doing that because we truly believe this is in accordance with our law. This is because of our people -- Serbs. This is because of the moral dignity of our country and our people. But this is crucially important in terms of reconciliation between people that are living in the region of southeast Europe's former Yugoslavia."

Indeed, Mladic had been the main obstacle for Serbia to become a candidate for membership of the European Union, as officials in Brussels have refused to grant Serbia candidate status as long as Mladic remained at large.

EU enlargement commissioner Stefan Fuele said that the arrest removed “a great obstacle on the Serbian road to the European Union.”
Mladic at the entrance to the Special Court in Belgrade

Tadic also said Mladic's arrest does not mark the end of Belgrade's cooperation with the UN tribunal. He said an investigation and search is continuing for "all of those who helped Mladic and other fugitive war crimes suspects" to evade capture.

He specified that the investigation would include the question of whether any members of Serbia's government were involved in hiding Mladic over the years.

The Search For Hadzic

Tadic also called for the search to continue for Goran Hadzic, the former president of the self-proclaimed Republic of Serbian Krajina -- a territory seized from Croatia by Serbs in rebellion against Croatia’s declaration of independence from Yugoslavia.

WATCH: RFE/RL Associate Director of Broadcasting Nenad Pejic talks about what the arrest of war crimes fugitive Ratko Mladic means for Serbia internationally, regionally, and domestically:

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Hadzic, who disappeared from his home in Serbia in 2004, faces 14 counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity for his alleged involvement in the murder of thousands of non-Serb civilians from Croatian territory from 1991 to 1993 -- including the 1991 massacre of 250 Croatian and non-Serb civilians from the Vukovar hospital in one of the first atrocities of the Balkan wars of the 1990s.

But Tadic also called for independent investigations into alleged crimes against humanity by other officials in the Balkans, including ethnic Albanian officials in Kosovo.

The Serbian president said more details on the circumstances of Mladic's arrest would be released after further investigations into his accomplices have been completed.

If Mladic is extradited to the tribunal at The Hague, his trial would be the biggest event for the UN war crimes court since the beginning of the case against former Yugoslav and Serbia President Slobodan Milosevic in 2002. Milosevic died in custody at The Hague in March 2006 before a verdict was reached.

Until the fall of Milosevic's regime in October 2000, Mladic had been seen regularly in Belgrade -- including public appearances at soccer matches and at exclusive restaurants.

Another high-profile war crimes suspect, Radovan Karadzic, was captured on a Belgrade bus in July 2008 wearing a disguise and then extradited to The Hague.

In a message sent from his cell today, Karadzic said he regretted the arrest of Mladic and said he wants to work with him "to bring out the truth" about the Bosnian war at their trials.

Meanwhile, President Tadic vowed he would not allow a repeat of the violent riots that broke out in Serbia following Karadzic’s arrest.

That pledge came as nationalist groups called on supporters to take to the streets in protest.

Peter Robinson , a defense attorney Karadzic, said his client's case is only about 20 percent completed and that the judges may decide to try Mladic and Karadzic together.

written by Ron Synovitz and Richard Solash, with RFE/RL's Balkan Service and agency reports
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by: Abdulmajid
May 26, 2011 12:36
At last!
That utterly inhuman monster! May he rot in jail and go to Hell! But more importantly now, his personal fortune should be taken from him and given to the survivors of the Serb genocidal anti-Bosniak crusade!
And it was not 7.000 Bosniak victims! 8.347, to be precise, and what about the thousands others killed in the three years before?!? Or those dumped in the Drina? I think the earlier estimates of 11.000 victims are much closer to the truth.
And nobody try to fob me off with that propaganda lie that "Naser Oric killed 3000 (or some say 5000) Serbs around Srebrenica! That was only invented to make the Serbs feel not so bad about what was done in their name (but with the approval of a majority) and to belittle their crime and to place the blame on the Bosniaks! I wonder how many serbofascists will turn out to protest the long overdue arrest of that horrible man.
And his family are just as bad. They tried to have him declared dead so he would no longer be pursued and could live free in peace.
And it is too bad he can't be made to die tens of thousands of deaths, for each and every life of Bosniaks that was wasted on that horrible man's orders.
And as for any serbofascist defending him, they're just as bad and may they meet the fate they still so much desire for us balije!
And it was not just him alone! The butcher of Bosnia has the approval of a majority of Serbs, and thousands of his willing executiones, soldiers and civilians, still roam free and dream of "completing the job"
And what will the Greater Serbsd worldwide say "The Tureks made us suffer so much blah blah, the Bosniaks are turncoats blah blah, Alija Izetbegovic was a Nazi blah blah"; even if that were true (which it isn't) this gives teh Serbs no right to exterminate the Bosniaks from their own country; and teh fact that there are Serbs living in Bosnia gives them NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to create a "Republic" for themselves through genocide!
It's too bad that even if the intellectual and moral authors of this lates round of the Serb genocidal anti-Bosniak crusade which was already postulated by Njegos have been retired from circulation their genocidal creature is left standiung. It is as if after Japan's surrender in August 1945 it had been allowed to keep Taiwan, the half of China it had conquered and most of East Asia!
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by: Felipe Muñoz from: Santiago, Chile
May 26, 2011 19:25
Well, if Mladic commited 'crimes' as said in the West; Ok, pay for them. However, as a person said in an E-mail oppinion (Manolis Stamatakis, not a serbian) in the BBC, what about those muslim Jihadists that murdered serbs during the same time!?,.. Do you think that everybody are enough stupid to believe that muslims didn't do nothing!? I watched many testimonies of the brutalities commited by your ''inocent and defenseless'' muslims. If we are going to talk of Fair Justice, so then.. why the EU hasn't doing anything about the Izetbegovic govt. involvement with merciless and ruthless jihadists and their crimes!?. You talk of 'crusade'... shame on you for not taking into account the whole crimes that your 'innocent' jihadists commited in the bosnian conflict!. What the NATO did in former Yugoslavia was nothing more than an attempt to destroy the last ally that Russia had in the whole European area; that's why they were so interested in this conflict. The day when i see a muslim-bosnian politician being processed for the crimes they commited, i will recognize as Fair the capture of Mladic.. meanwhile, this is nothing more than a new 'EU Show' to overshadow the 'stalemated' Libyan conflict, the syrian and yemeni crisis, and the escalating sudanese tensions; that undoubtly are overwheelming the West' (and even more EU) capability to react to the more violent world challenges.
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by: Abdulmajid
May 27, 2011 08:04
Why do you defend the serbofascists so vehemently? Are you a Serb? Or just an Islamophobe? Do you know that the Serbs killed in under one hour as many Bosniaks as the Bosniaks killed Serbs during the whole war? So who is the more guilty party here? How many Serbs would the Bosniaks had to kill to reach teh same level of oinncoence as the Serbs, hah? Serb forces under orders from Milosevic took part in the aggression against Bosniaks and supported the Bosnian Serbs; Bosniaks never attacked Serbia! And yet you defend them! You...! Stop pretending that "repluka Srpska" was always there and always only inhabited by Serbs, or that teh Serbs have more rights than any other people! And I Tell you one thing: THE CROSS WILL NEVER CHASE TEH CRESCENT OUT OF BOSNIA! You will not ghettoize teh Bosniaks! Serbia hasw an enormous debt to pay to the Bosniaks and then it should levae Bosnia INPEACE, and all those who don'tz like it are free to go East of the Drina where they belong; and you will see that not so many would be prepared to do it!
Down with "Repluka srpska"!!!
After Srebrenica you should be ashamed of defending this monster! But you relativize his crimes and blab about mudzahedin! It tells a lot about what a kind of person you are!
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by: Shinishi Kudou from: Santiago, Chile
May 28, 2011 07:06
I must to explain some important events that are the cause of Balkan conflict. Some of this events are the imperialism and Jihadism that serb people suffered in hand of Otoman Muslim and Austro-Hungarian Empires and then the jihad launched by muslim ruled Bosnian Government in 1991 against serbian community. When the muslim Turks defeat the christian serbs in the Kosovo Battle in 1389 and after with the fall of Belgrade in 1521, Serbia was totally occupied and converted in vassal state until the withdrawal of Otoman troops in 1867. During the Otoman occupation, part of serb people that lives mainly in the mountains was forced to convert to Islam. Another part of serbs that escape of Turks, was refuge in the mountains too and Voivodina in the north. Then when Otomans divide the occupied serb lands, they invent new provinces such as Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Serbia became independent in 1878 after the Russian-Turk War and Bosnia, Herzegovina and Vojvodina was transferred to Austria-Hungary. Here start the real nightmare of serbian people.
During the Austro-Hungarian period, the muslim of Bosnia and Herzegovina became allies of Austria-Hungary, as hope of obtain an autonomy muslim region inside the Empire. During the World War I between 1914-1918, Austro-Hungarian troops killed at least 1.000.000 christian serbs in Bosnia-Herzegovina, transforming the region in muslim majority until today. Even muslim serbs was called Bosnians for Austro-Hungarians as a way of differentiate them from christian serbs.
If Austria-Hungary never killed that million of serbs, that population would be 3.000.000 now. In other words, the serbian population in Bosnia-Herzegovina would be more than 4.500.000 today, intead the 1.550.000 actually. In this scenario, Bosnia Herzegovina would be serb majority. The world history knows very well that the serb people was victim of Nazi Europe and Nazi Islam. Zivela Srbija.
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by: Abdulmajid
May 28, 2011 21:56
NUTS!
And drop that silly Japanese nick!
DOLJE VELIK;A SRBIJA!
The Cross will NEVER Chase the Crescent from Bosnia!

by: Ragusian from: Dubrovnik
May 26, 2011 16:24
Great news! And I must say bravo to the Serbs for arresting this war criminal. As the say goes “better late then never”.
Unfortunately ultra-nationalism and religious extremism and bigotry are still alive and kicking in ALL ex-Yu nations, without exception. That disease isn’t eradicated and still many (most?) are blinded and will continue to deny the crimes from ‘their side’ and treat as heroes ‘their’ war criminals. Serbia has done the right thing today, let’s hope all other nations in the Balkans does the same in both handling their criminals and deal with their nationalism and religious bigotry disease.
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by: Felipe Muñoz from: Santiago, Chile
May 26, 2011 19:34
Good point Ragusian, and that's what i wanted to underline to Abduljamid. There wil be no trully 'reconciliation' between Balkan states unless all sides of the conflict takes responsability for the crimes that their forces and politicians commited during the Bosnian War. If not, there will never be reconciliation. It's true that serbs where the main responsibles of the conflict; however, that doesnt mean that they were like 'evils', just to justify killing serbs. If serbs commited crimes,pay for them; if muslims commited crimes, pay too; and if croatian commited crimes too, pay for those too. Only after taht, there'll be a trully basis for understanding and reconciliation. Belgrade is doing their part; the rest is up to Zagreb and Sarajevo.
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by: Ragusian from: Dubrovnik
May 27, 2011 07:02
Very true Felipe. But it isn’t only in the Balkans that nationalism is putting blinkers on most; where are all the US, Israeli, Turks (vs Kurds), NATO, etc… criminals? Oh! I remember they do not recognise the ICC… let alone count their killings.

“Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.”
A. Einstein (BTW who’s first wife is coming from a couple of villages away where Mladic was arrested).


Again: Congratulations to Serbia who are cleaning their backyards of the scum and doing something against the nationalist disease gangrening most states nowadays (including mine with the neo-Ustasa and all the supporters of Gotovina, Tudjman, Pavelic, etc...).
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by: Abdulmajid
May 27, 2011 15:08
Whatever teh Bosniaks did during the war can't be compared to what the Serbs did! The Serbs committed about 95% of all war crimes in Bosnia! Since it was the Serbs who started the war and had planned the extermination of the Bosniaks months in advance - Karadzic himself said the Bosniaks would disappear from the Earth; no Bosniak leader ever said the Serbs would disappear from the Earth; and the Serbs had rape and extermination camps; and the Serbs killed in one hour as many Bosniak civilians as the Bosniaks managed to kill in the whole war, I find it is completely untrue to say all sides were equally guilty as you do, and also in other posts you advocate partition of Bosnia, that is, reward of ethnic cleansing. Hell, why don't you then return Arica to Peru and Iquique to Bolivia, after all it's historically theirs, and you took it through warfare with horrible crimes committed aginst prisoners and civilians, I know, I was there, I have seen archeological evidence of the battles of Tacna and Arica, where your forces butchered the Peruvians, what do you say to that? And also, how can the Bosniaks be as guilty as the Serbs, where did they round up thousands of captured enemies and shot them in cold blood, buried them in mass graves and then reburied them to conceal the crime? NOWHERE! The Serbs are GUILTY of genocide, they already were in 1913 against the Albanians, and in 1941-45 aganist the Bosniaks, it's their national obsession, they're a horrible vengeful and evil lot, what with a Serb schoolboy slapping a Bosniak one and saying "For 1389"? What with Njegos saying it was all right to kill Muslims in the 19th century!? If this is so then I say that from now on forever Bosniak schoolchildren are entitled to beat up Serb schoolchildren and say "For Srebrenica!"; even thousand years hence! Only they don't because Bosniaks are not like that! I know many of them personally. So a majority of Serbs stands behind Ratko Mladic? if this were true it would be sad enough! I want that Serbia and Serbs leave Bosnia and the Bosniaks ALONE and IN PEACE! You defend the Serb Reconquista! The unworthiest and most evil cause one can think of! That says all about you! The Serbs have already made up their minds about Bosniaks! Then I have made up my mind about Serbs too! And all those who stand behind the Butcher of Bosnia, the Gengis Khan of our times, the second Pol Pot, should be put behind bars like him! You pretend to talk from a morally high ground and actually you are a genocidal anti-Muslim!
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by: Abdulmajid
May 27, 2011 19:13
In truth all war criminals regardless of what side they're on must be made to pay. But what about Bomber Harris? what about General LeMay who threw thousands of tons of incendiaries on Japanese civilians - and Truman who ordered the two atom bombs thrown on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Bosniaks and Serbs are NOT equally guilty of the war in Bosnia, Bosniaks did not start it, Bosnia can't be partitioned. Has partition of British India brought peace to the region? NO! Has partition of Ireland brought peace to it? No, NO NO! And NONE of the Bosniak commanders has ever done something like Ratko Mladic did! Ratko Mladic had the 8,347 Bosniaks slaughtered at Srebrenica, to make any notion of reconciliation between Bosniaks and Serbs impossible. However that pathetic wannabe new Napoleon willl most likely fail at that too, for the forbearance of Bosniaks is larger than most think; it should nevertheless not be overstretched.

by: Paolo
May 26, 2011 19:10
Ok . This is really a good new.. Now there's no excuses for an autodetermination referendum for R. Srpska and northern Kosovo.

by: Ray F. from: Lawrence, KS
May 26, 2011 21:14
Nice report and I particularly enjoyed the interviews of the locals on the streets of Belgrade. A wide variety of opinions! Granted his arrest and likely conviction will do little to balance the scales of justice for his many crimes against Bosnian Muslims. More important is the signal it sends to all those ethnic or religiously-motivated thugs who believe that war gives them the opportunity to commit every nature of crime. We all belong to the human race, and merely ‘following orders’ is no excuse for murder or genocide.

His arrest also stands in sharp contrast to the recent murder/removal of UBL. Granted, there are degrees of horror between the terrorist attacks sponsored by bin Laden and the slaughters perpetrated by Mladic, but if we in the west want to call ourselves civilized, we need to go through the motions of obeying the law. I’m heartened to see that the EU equivalent of JSOC/seals did not merely ‘disappear’ this war criminal. The trial procedure is proof that we can rise above blood lust and revenge, and might serve as a deterrent for future state-sponsored terrorists.

by: Zoltan from: Hungary
May 26, 2011 21:53
Good job!

Let's stop for a minute now and remember those killed in the war. Muslims, Croats and Serbs all victims of a meaningless war.

Now it is the time to step forward.

by: Vakhtang from: Moscow
May 27, 2011 04:40
For information.
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The most terrible crimes against the civilian population, were committed by abkhazians in 1993 and not by Serbs in Srebrenica in 1995.
If the Serbs separated the man and boys from woman and children-about 8000 people and killed them,abkhazians vice versa- killed woman,children and old about 15000.
All this well known in the OSCE in the UN, but has not been announced for some reason:
Saakashvili did not give the cause of stroke,because of the idiotic concept of reconciliation with abkhazians, what in itself impossible

Russia ignores the facts because it has recognised abkhazian bandits

International organizations do not want to change the version- that most bloody executioner is Mladic

But the truth is that is the abkhazians bloodiest killers of civilians.

by: Felipe Muñoz from: Santiago, Chile
May 28, 2011 06:32
@Abdulmajid. First im not a serb :P; second, maybe im an islamophobe, but with probes ^^; i have investigating this ''peaceful Islam'' for more than 1 decade, so i know why i dont like them as before. But lets take into account what you said: You attack me saying im an Islamophobe.. and what about you!? when you mention many times 'crusade'!?; and when you say ''THE CROSS WILL NEVER CHASE TEH CRESCENT OUT OF BOSNIA!''!?.. you clearly remind me Bin Laden and your ''innocents'' Jihadists in Bosnia!.

You also said ''Stop pretending that "repluka Srpska" was always there and always only inhabited by Serbs,''... Are you sure??. Serbians have existed in the region much more time before the muslim invation that came with turks; that's are facts, not my inventions ;). Also, Bosnia exists thanks to the injustices commited by the Austro-Hungarian Empire, those created Bosnia; supported by the always cooperative muslims (:/ catholics have always protected muslims, even if muslims kills them in the Middle East, what a laugh!). Serbs were in fact, subjected to the classical ''Divide and Rule'' policy; as a way to undermine their resistance against A-H Empire. That included repressions against them.

Something else, you said ''or that teh Serbs have more rights than any other people!''.. I never stated anything pressuming that serbs have more rights than bosniaks ^^. Furthermore, you said ''and all those who don'tz like it are free to go East of the Drina where they belong; and you will see that not so many would be prepared to do it!''.. As i explained before, if you start an ''Historical War'', you'll realize that serbs have more right to stay in ''Bosnia'' than bosniaks ;). Muslims always used massacres as a way to tackle christians rights to regain their freedom IN THEIR LANDS!, not of Muhammad!. And if you begin with those statements such as ''East of Drina where they belong'', i can say to you and bosniaks 'Go to the East of Bosforus, where they belong''.

The problem with Srebrenica was that Mladic focused their attacks on merely civilians, he should have focused exclusevely in the Jihadist forces. I can condemn the death of unarmed civilians; but not of those jihadists that were commiting ruthless crimes on christians civilians. Those Al-Qaeda's sons didn't need any mercy.
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by: Abdulmajid
May 28, 2011 22:04
Well if you declare yourself an Islamophobe then any further discussion with you is pointless, since you have already made up your mind about me and my brethren. You consider us all dangferous enemies who miust be exterminated. You use the same arguments the Castilians used during the Reconquista. So it is all right for Serbs to expel the Bosniaks, but the Bosniaks have no right to live in Bosnia??? Next you will say you are a disciple of Robert Spencer.
And drop that propaganda lie that Bosnia never existed. It did exist as an independent kingdom long before the Ottomans came and it managed to perserve its identity and character until today. If you want to see it erased from the map then you condone the genoicide of Bosniaks and especially the massacre of Srebrenica and then you are no better than Ratko Mladic himself. Period.
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by: Felipe Muñoz from: Santiago, Chile
May 29, 2011 23:06
First, i didn' said that im Islamophobic just for being it. I said that I HAD MORE THAN A DECADE investigating Islam (just look at what this name means ^^), and i know why i'm an enemy of Islam. However, being it doesn't means that i'll aprove genocides, don't be fool ^^. There're many other peaceful ways to stop muslim expansions WITHOUT using masacres or bloodsheds. About your Bosnian kingdom, you forget something... The concept of State-Nation is quite modern; and the existance of a bosnian (they were christians, not muslims) kingdom doesn´t means that is totally equivalent to current Bosnia. Bosnian kingdom was far smaller that current Bosnia. And was an Austro-Hungarian invention (imperialism of course) the current borders of 'Bosnia', don't forget it. And they made many repressions on serbs, and favoured muslims; as a way to keep their grip in the region. You pointed the Reconquista.. well, the only thing that Castillans did was to RE-CONQUIST THEIR OWN LANDS, THAT WERE STOLEN BY MUSLIM ARABS. Arabs NEVER existed before in the Iberian Peninsula ;) Don't make me laugh!. Muslims always have the IMPERIALIST concept that the lands they conquer are of their eternal own.. What a ridiculous idea!. And besides, you said ''If you want to see it erased from the map then you condone the genoicide of Bosniaks and especially the massacre of Srebrenica and then you are no better than Ratko Mladic himself.''. I said that before??? :P NO. That's YOUR OWN idea ^^. DONT PUT in my lips words that i never said :P

by: Felipe Muñoz from: Santiago, Chile
May 28, 2011 06:33
@Abdulmajid. You said: ''After Srebrenica you should be ashamed of defending this monster!''.. For me, people like Mladic just failed in attacking unarmed civilians, but they reaction is clearly justified as a way to defend their historical lands, as well as faith; from the menace coming from Sharia-fanatics such as Alija Izetbegovic, and their Al-Qaeda supported jihadists. Is it a coincidance?? Why now are the croats those that are feeling more and more uneasy living with muslims??. At least, Mladic's reaction was a clear warning to your muslims such as Bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri; that they cannot test christian's patience and tolerance... because they can cause what we seen with Karadzic and Mladic. Why Al-Qaeda never attacked Serbians?? They feared them!. They prefer to attack week and unarmed christians like the catholics.

And finally, you said ''But you relativize his crimes and blab about mudzahedin! It tells a lot about what a kind of person you are!''.. Why i decided to Reply you!?.. because you were just putting the blame of all on serbs; but you weren't enough fair to recognize that your ''innocent'' muslims also commited crimes there. If Srebrenica had never ocurred, what pretexts you would use to cover muslims crimes??.

If you are going to begin with your ''christianophobic'' commentaries and views, better go to sites such as kavkazcenter; full of Jihadists and War-lovers. And about this discussion, if you want to save this ''Bosnia' as a single country (something really hard to maintain, being realist); better save to you that hatred and Anti-Serb rhetoric. And as i said, let's await a Fair Justice for all sides, and close this chapter... If not, people like you -with your hatred-, are destinated to cause a new Bosnian War, and the collapse of Bosnia once for all. Just think about it ;)
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by: Abdulmajid
May 28, 2011 22:28
So, you true disciple of Mladic, the murder of 14-year-old boys at Srebrenica was perfectly justified "because they were al Qaida and merited no mercy"??? The raped schoolgirls didn't merit any mercy either because they were Muslims??? Who of the 8.347 killed by Serb scum at Srebrenica were "Mudzahedin"? Do you have any proof for what you say? No, you don't! And your "what if Srebrenica hadn't happened?" That's just incredibly offensive Blah Blah! Srebrenica DID happen before. Ever hear of what Richard the Lion-Hearted did with Muslim prisoners at Akko? Ever heard of Alhama de Granada? Of the Serb massacre of Albanians in 1913? You are as evil as Mladic. Just like Karadzic you tell the Bosniaks to let themselves be liquidated quietly or else. Or else what? Since you have already decided our deaths, were I in command in Bosnia the next ime around I would say fight. SInce we are doomed anyway, why should we make it easier for our executioners? And I do NOT wish to pursue the pointless discission with an anti-Muslim who is my declared enemy!
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by: Felipe Muñoz from: Santiago, Chile
May 29, 2011 23:26
:/ Looks like you are not reading what im saying.. You said ''So, you true disciple of Mladic, the murder of 14-year-old boys at Srebrenica was perfectly justified "because they were al Qaida and merited no mercy"???''. I NEVER said that bosniaks are all Al-Qaeda! Are you reading properly!? I don´t think so :s. I said that the only mistake of Mladic was attack unarmed or innocent civilians, that's something that i dont' aprove. HOWEVER, I SAID that he should had focused exclusively on the Jihadist Forces! Not on civilians :/

You said something really interesting: ''You are as evil as Mladic. Just like Karadzic you tell the Bosniaks to let themselves be liquidated quietly or else. Or else what? Since you have already decided our deaths, were I in command in Bosnia the next ime around I would say fight.''. REALLY???.. FIRST, I never said that i approve genocides of bosniaks :/ .SECOND, when you declarate a war, that's why is important to keep civilians OUT of the cross-fight; and those who take arms, being identified as SOLDIERS; because if you do what you say ''were I in command in Bosnia the next ime around I would say fight.', the only thing that you can expect is death of civilians.. no doub't that you act and think like a muslim :s. In ANY conflict there are civilians deaths as a result of civilian armed resistances. And finally, you say: ''And I do NOT wish to pursue the pointless discission with an anti-Muslim who is my declared enemy!''.. haha. I'm not like your muslim fanatics :P. I have met in the past muslims, one muslim a day (in my work) extended me his hand because i attended him correctly, and i extended my hand to him too. I HAVE NEVER attacked any muslim that is innocent or a good person! I focus my ideas on those who uses the Quran (it's legal for them to do so) to justify murders of Non-Muslims!. It's non-sense to attack somebody that rejects the violence! :/ . I justify people like Mladic, but only if they attack those muslims that uses Jihad to commit mass killings with the ''Holy Approval'' of Quran!
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by: Abdulmajid
May 28, 2011 22:34
Why should I have any love or respect for christofascists thugs? Bosniaks ahve a RIGHT to liveinBosnia ASTHEY PLEASE and if tehy are Muslims then their neighbbors have to show them THE SAME DEGREE OF RESPECT they expect for themselves! Learn to LIVE With them, because Bosnia will not be erased from the map as Al Andalus was! It will NOT become the second Kingdom of Granada! You will not see the Bosniaks brought to their knees again as in Srebrenica! That you approve of it and blab about Mudzahedin shows what a horrible Spencer-like character you are. The Serbsd tried to commit genocide against teh Bosniaks since four times 1804 and teh Bosniaks are still there, so I see no reason why they should not prevail. And your "Mladic should have done this, Mladic should have done that" is pure blah blah. And besides that, you live in the other side of the world, there are no Mooslims anywhere near you, so "quien carajo le dió vela en este entierro?" Unless you have developed a pathologic hate of Muslims. I on the contrary base my attitude on the serbofascists (The Serbofascists, not teh Serbs as a whole, I happen to know some very nice Serbs) on their crimes, which the Bosniaks do not match by a large stretch. Indeed I wonder how many more Serbs would the Bosniaks have needed to kill in order to reach teh samed level of innocence as the Serbs...?
I always hoped the removal of circulation of the Gengis Khan of our times, of the second Pol Pot, Ratko Mladic, would bring a chance to finally move on and try a new start, but with people like you around it's hopeless...
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by: Felipe Muñoz from: Santiago, Chile
May 30, 2011 00:04
xD: ''because Bosnia will not be erased from the map as Al Andalus was! It will NOT become the second Kingdom of Granada!''.. As i said before, Al-Andalus and Granada HAD NO RIGHT to exist in Iberian Peninsula.. Because THEY were the invaders and imperialist, as well as represors of christians in the Iberian Peninsula!. You said:''You will not see the Bosniaks brought to their knees again as in Srebrenica!''.. Do i care??... As i said before, it's non-sense to attack defenseless people; i prefer to face Al-Qaeda fighters. They are the ones that need to pay for what Islam does in Irak, Lebanon, Turkey, and more; against christians!. ''That you approve of it and blab about Mudzahedin shows what a horrible Spencer-like character you are. ''... You are worse, when you try to blame the serbs of all; and deny the crimes and barbaries commited by your ''innocent'' mudzahedins!. Hhaha this is better to reply:''And besides that, you live in the other side of the world, there are no Mooslims anywhere near you,''.. are you sure??. Don't you know that pakistanis lives in Iquique?, or that there's a mosque in our capital?. That a pakistani was captured in the US Embassy entrance some months ago, detected with explosive chemicals traces in his clothes!? :P. Or that there's a cell of muslim radicals operating in the Tri-border of Argentina, Paraguay, and Brazil??. No doubt you don´t know anything of world ^^. xDD: ''but with people like you around it's hopeless...''.. Are you different too??.. With your constant ideas of ''THE CROSS WILL NEVER CHASE TEH CRESCENT OUT OF BOSNIA!'', that shows that you are like those muslims that in peaceful times tries to be ''peaceful''; but that awaits the momment to do the same that your muslims do in Irak and Pakistan when are the mayority ;) . Dont try to hide your radical ideas! XD
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by: Abdulmajid
May 29, 2011 01:57
Like your hero and Christian knight Ratko Mladic, now you have exposed your true nature. You are one cruel and heartless person who given fair wind would not hesitate one moment to send me or those like me to the mass grave just because we are Mooslims. Your justification of the massacre of Srebrenica and your pointless speculation "if it had not happened " (so do you suggest it was all a hoax or what) are beyond good and evil. You condone incredible acts of barbarity, xenophobia and racism and find nothing wrong with them. I know many Bosniaks and they are one of the most sympathetic, kind and good peoples on Earth, and they have been handed a very raw deal, and yet those like you still vie for their destruction or exile. First you say "equal justice for all", then you say "The Muslims are to blame" then you say "they are jihadists." You say "they should move east of the Bosphorus" when you know full well the Bosniaks are NOT Turks! By your writ I gather the impression that like Mladic you are a callous, cruel, heartless person and I do not wish to share the planet withthe likes of you. The likes of you are Geert Wilders, Robert Spencer, Diana Johnstone, Batty Yeor, Oriana Fallacy (who was an admirer of Kaddafi btw.) Radovan Karadzic and other ideologues of anti-Muslim XENOPHOBIA! The impression I get from your talk is that Mooslims today should be treated no better than the people of Granada were by the Catholic Kings in 1492. ANd that goes especially for Bosniaks!
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by: Felipe Muñoz from: Santiago, Chile
May 30, 2011 00:35
There's no doubt that YOU ARE NOT READING PROPERLY WHAT IM SAYING :P. You said:''You are one cruel and heartless person who given fair wind would not hesitate one moment to send me or those like me to the mass grave just because we are Mooslims. Your justification of the massacre of Srebrenica and your pointless speculation''.. When i said that i justify the Srebrenica massacre!? o.o XD. I said that Mladic commited a great mistake by attacking civilians as he did in there; but that he should have focused in the Mudzahedin Forces.. O.o you try to show that you are clever, but you cant even read properly what im trying to say in this days O.O''. Haha you are quite contradictory!, you said ''You condone incredible acts of barbarity, xenophobia and racism and find nothing wrong with them.''.. Ufff, again i have to repeat it for 5th time xD.. That i NEVER justified the death of unarmed civilians for being muslims; but that i justify hte death of those mudzahedins THAT ALSO COMMITED BARBARIES in Bosnia! :/ . And you also said before ''and all those who don'tz like it are free to go East of the Drina where they belong; and you will see that not so many would be prepared to do it!'' XD.. Why you try to hide your racist side!?.. :P. Ah ha, you are expert in the Invention Of Words, as usually muslims do in Palestine,.. you said:''First you say "equal justice for all", then you say "The Muslims are to blame" then you say "they are jihadists.".. Hahaa you have a serious problem of attention xD.. Can you tell me when i said ''The muslims are to blame'' and ''they are jihadists''??... XD you are generalizing once and once again what im posting O.o don't be like a child, and pay careful attention of the things im saying please ^^. When i said '' "they should move east of the Bosphorus" was a reply to your idea of ''and all those who don'tz like it are free to go East of the Drina where they belong; and you will see that not so many would be prepared to do it!'' please :P read again why i answered that to you xD. Haha this is more fun: ''when you know full well the Bosniaks are NOT Turks!''.. yeah? and why people like you always shows Turkey's flags in many events!? (such as the final of basquetball between Serbia and Turkey) How can you expect that bosniaks and muslims be respected, if they always have worked in loyalty to turkish imperialism?? xD, don't make me laugh again!. Finally: ''The impression I get from your talk is that Mooslims today should be treated no better than the people of Granada were by the Catholic Kings in 1492. ANd that goes especially for Bosniaks!'', XDD.. this shows that YOU NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHAT I WAS SAYING. I NEVER SAID before that ALL MUSLIMS are to blame of all!, i said that -and this was the main issue of this discussion- Mladic was bad for killing innocent muslims, but not for fighting those jihadists that fought in Bosnia, and murdered innocent serbs as well !. Better read carefully before reply me XDD
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by: Abdulmajid
May 29, 2011 02:05
If not, people like you -with your hatred-, are destinated to cause a new Bosnian War, and the collapse of Bosnia once for all. Just think about it ;)
What makes you think that the Serbs could succeed nexttime at what they havefailed to achieve last time? The Serbs are getting less and less in Bosnia while the Bosniaks will be the majority. So then that majority must be put down so that Christians are not harmed?
And about Christians, Mahatm,a Gandhi said "I do like your Christ, but I don't like you Christians. YOu Christians are so unliek your Christ." Right he was! WHat do you think made me turn away from Christianity I was born and raised in adn take up the Trie Faith but the actions worthy of Gengis Khan that good Christian men committed in Bosnia, and not for the first time, and which stand in tradition to the genocide of Albanians they committed in 1913! And you think you must justify them! Then you are no better. AND STOP REPEATING THE UNPRINTABLE SERBOFASCIST ANTI-MUSLIM PROPAGANDA LIE ABOUT THE BOSNIAKS BEING JIHADISTS!
So you pride yourself on being a disciple of Robert Spencer? Then I do not wish you well, not at all.
Balija, and PROUD of being one!
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by: Abdulmajid
May 29, 2011 02:07
"If not, people like you -with your hatred-, are destinated to cause a new Bosnian War, and the collapse of Bosnia once for all. Just think about it ;) "
And what about the Serb hatred, ha? Do you think it is right for the Serbs to exact revenge of the Bosniaks for things that happened 60 or 600 years ago? Then you are one sick puppy. Btw not the first one I have met here for the last 19 years.
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by: Ragusian from: Dubrovnik
May 29, 2011 13:56
Abdulmajid, you keep calling other people names, and your reference to other wars in other countries where Muslim were persecuted/expelled isn’t relevant to this discussion more than it clearly shows your bigotry towards people of other faiths.
Drop your religious blinkers and admit that ALL sides had war criminals that committed horrible crimes may it be in their respective official units or with their paramilitary units. And before you call me a Islamophobe let me tell you that my wife-to-be and mother of my children is Muslim from a Muslim minority in the Balkans that were persecuted (and many of them, civilians, killed or expelled only to find refuge in Monte Negro and Serbia) by other Muslims.
Your broad-brush description of whole ethnic groups is extremely narrow-minded and full of hatred. Stop putting people in separate bags with labels solely based on religion, it is an intellectual suicide and generally the reason of most of the ugliness seen yesterday and today in this part of the world. If you had an open mind, you would find wonderful people from all faiths and origins in the ex-Yu. Anyway we are all cousins as the DNA of the different Balkans nations clearly shows, only that some chose (or where forced) a religion over another at one point in their family’s history. The same can be said from our origins that are of very diverse part of the world. The sooner most in the Balkans realise that religion is at the essence of most of these troubles, the sooner hate will dissipate. That and economic prosperity.
Also, you should check your history before calling some ‘fascists’. You and I should know who the fascist were yesterday even if most have trouble facing it (Ustasa & Hanjar).
Last but not least; Gandhi said "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
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by: Abdulmajid
May 29, 2011 18:01
Who started the war in Bosnia is very well known and who is the main culprit too. No need to deny it. And you are a hypocrite. You say I should not cite other instances of war against Muslims and yet you come up with the Hanshar division, as if all Bosniaks had been Nazis. You say I hate other religious groups. I don't, I just wish to returnto them some of their hate. And the Serb genocidal anti-Bosniak crusade stands in the tradition of the Crusades and the Reconquista, and generally Christian attitudes towards Muslimsm have always been hostile, and Christians have always been more cruel to Muslims than vice versa. There is a continuity throughout history here. Don't try to counter this with the propaganda lie that the Muslim conquest of Persia and North Africa cost millions and millions of lives. There is just no historical proof whatsoever for that. Instead I say the Bosnian Serbs should seek the Bosniaks' forgiveness. And it is not true that crimes of non-Serbs against Serbs have never been addressed; didn't they just convict a Bosniak police officer for atrocities agianst Serbs, hah? If your demand for "fair justice" were based on a true and honest desire for reconciliaztion, peace and reversing the partition of Bosnia, I would very well acknowledge it and be thankful for it. But for most, such claims are only done out of malice to whitewash the Serb side by saying "All sides were guilty", or in other words, none is. They are nothing but psychological warfare. And of course those who say "Muslims can't be allowed to exist in Bosina, or only as a folkloric minority, and always under Christian tutelage"; are fascists, quite often the victims of fascism become worse fascists themselves. So it is withthe Israelisw, so it is withthe Serbs, and what about Milan Nedic and Draza Mihajlovic, you would not call them fascists??? Chetniks are fascists. But I see you have already made up your mind about me and about us balije. Any further discussion is therefore pointless.
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by: Felipe Muñoz from: Santiago, Chile
May 30, 2011 01:40
As an history annalist you are a joke xD. It's is not about hatred or not :P. In the history, the world changes causes usually conflicts. What we seen in Yugoslavia was the end of a whole reality. YOU blame on all on Serbs, but you never have mentioned here your ''Peace-Lover'' of Alija Izetbegovic. people like Karadzic, Izetbegovic, and croats reacted to the stunning reality that Yugoslavia died. What do you think that many people though when the country where they born was dead; as well as their social system??. Everybody searched fast to something that could bring them identity; and the Faith was the first thing that many used to create a New Identity. And, as a result, Izetbegovic wanted to create an Islamic Republic for bosniaks; and Karadzic wanted the same for their people. And inside that reaction of re-building of Serb Identity, appeared the dark days of turk and muslim opression. Your muslims did the same, the appealed to revive the trully sense of being Muslim, and many become quickly fundamentalists. Those changes occurred in the same entity: Bosnia. So in fact, Bosnia was destinated to face a war; not only because serbs wanted to reinvindicate their identity, but also because muslims and croats did the same. THAT'S WHY I agreed in my second post with Ragusian; because that conflict was unavoidable.. that conflict was needed as a way to take lessons on all sides (serbs, croats, and bosniaks) of the harmful consequences of nationalisms and religious fanatism as well. If i am Islamophobe or not, that doesnt matters here. because with or without me... and with my ''hatred'' as you say.... Bosnia will end if serbs, croats, and muslims don't learn to live respecting the other faiths. If all sides continues like you (and your idea of Serbo-fascists), Bosnia will be destinated to end. That was the first idea i tried to say. ANd the thing of Mladic, you were the one that misunderstood in which things i defend him.. but YOU were so ''clever' to exclude my words of condemn about the crimes of Mladic :/ One last thing.. before replying to someone, read carefully what the person wants to say.. you really MISUNDERSTOOD SO MANY THINGS.. OMG XD
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by: Shinishi for Srpska Bosna from: Santiago, Chile
May 30, 2011 04:25
How to forget the educational and creative TV show in the harmless Gaza, when a innocent Arab Mickey Mouse teach to the childrens "to kill Jews with an AK-47".
Or how to forget when the Muslim World protest against Israel during the past wars in Lebanon in 2006 and Gaza in 2008-2009, accusing the "sionist" of start the wars. Yes, who start that conflicts?. Israel?. Really not. The world knows very well that was the Lebanese and Palestinian terrorists of Hizbullah and Hamas, respectively, that attacked two Israeli border military barracks and kidnapped three of their soldiers. Anywhere in the world know that if a country is attacked by a foreign army or guerrilla, the affected part can use de self-defensive force against the attackers. As israel did. :P :D :)
Not to mention the admirable sacrifice did by lebanese muslims serving as human shield, allowing the installation of Hizbullah´s missile launchers on the roof of apartment buildings. All those that lose their lives because of it, achieved their goal. That goal is to blame Israel for killing "innocent people", creating to the world the image of a Nazi Israel, thank for the help provided the leftist atheist western press. Yes, Quran supports the use of lies if this are used against Islam enemies in order to Islamization.
Finally, those bosniaks that Mladic ordered to kill, would probably be like the current muslim bosnians, promoters of Islamization, calling to conquest Europe and harassing christians to convert to Islam.
Many serbian member of former Bosnian Parliament, before the war, actually have said that Alija Izetbegovic and the Muslim sector was planing to start a war in Bosnia too, as a way to expel the serbs and croats christians from Bosnia-Herzegovina territory. Sad but in one way or another, Bosnia was assured destruction. XD :P :) :D. Muslimani bolje da vas nema. Nezavisnost Republike Srpske.Chetnici Republika Srpska. Ziveo Ratko Srebrenica te pamti. Zivece Srbija

by: Abdulmajid
May 29, 2011 18:06
"The same can be said from our origins that are of very diverse part of the world. The sooner most in the Balkans realise that religion is at the essence of most of these troubles, the sooner hate will dissipate."
No, religion was always only a subterfuge. That was so during the Reconquista, the Thirty Years' War, the conflict in Ireland and of course in the Balkans. The true reason is greed and megalomania of corrupt tinpot dictators like Milosevic, Tudjman, Karadzic etc., and that all too many people can easily be turned into willing executioners, like that Serb man in Foca who made use of the opportunity to rape his neighbor's teenage daughter just because she happens to be Muslim. Or the countless Serb "Weekend warriors" who came to kill Bosniaks for sport.

by: Abdulmajid
May 30, 2011 10:38
It is pointless to try and duiscuss with such anti-Muslim fellows liek that Felipe character here; fr they have made up their minds; Muslims must be put down or brought in line and Ratko Mloadic committed "mistakes" nf out anes. Then he tries to wind himself out and says "I never did say that" Ah, but he did. Well, go on spewing your Bosniak-baiting here. So Muslims are dangerous enemiesevil, Islam is evil and they have to be subjugated and expelled from Christian Europe. Say, if Christians are presecuted in Pakistan or in Egypt (never mind that ther ehave been Christian communities in these countries for over 1000 years of Muslim presence and if they really had the intention to wipe them out they could have done so a long time ago; besides that Muslims can claim that those Christians are trai8tors who were on the side of the British! But that's beside the point here) then it is all right to exterminate teh Bosniaks. Or to say "they were Naqzis and ustase" That was 60 years ago! That is being a good Christian or a good European? To say the Serbs had a point in tehir genocidal crusade? then I don'rt wish any discussion with the likes of you who have proved to be cruel and heartless persons. Don't try to fool me. Don't peddle your bigoted fascist views to me. I see what you think and then I made up my mind about you. You have made up your minds about Mooslims long since and it is the same as during the Crusades and the Reconquista. ANd it is not here where the fate of Bosnia and Bosniaks will be decided and one thing is for sure neither wil be erased from the map.
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by: Felipe Muñoz from: Santiago, Chile
May 30, 2011 23:07
You are such a child xD no doubt: ''It is pointless to try and duiscuss with such anti-Muslim fellows liek that Felipe character here; fr they have made up their minds; Muslims must be put down or brought in line and Ratko Mloadic committed "mistakes" nf out anes. Then he tries to wind himself out and says "I never did say that" Ah, but he did. Well, go on spewing your Bosniak-baiting here.''. In this whole days of disscusion with you i realize something serious about you. First, you as a novelist are great!... You read and then created ideas of my oppinions just in what you wanted to hear :P. When i made critics of muslim-jihadists, YOU said that I SAID (lol) that all muslims were jihadists xDD. When i defended Mladic in some aspects, but not Srebrenica.. YOU SAID that I ADMIRE Mladic! LOL. And when i responded to your initial radical ideas of christianophobic.. YOU SAID that I DEPLORE ALL MUSLIMS AS EQUAL... :S. As a propagandist you remembered those HAMAS criminals in Gaza Strip: They say just what they want to say.. And hear just what they want to hear! :P. Besides, learn to read carefully my comments.. because i realized that you are just another biased person. That condems the crimes of Mladic, but hides the crimes of your beloved Izetbegovic. At least, i have the gust to admit that i deplore islam (WITH ENOUGH probes, and im not a reactionist fanatic like your muslims when they declares Jihads XD); at the contraty, i realized your Christianophobia very clear... but you, tried so hard to hide it.. what a joker xD. In other posts you attacked Christians of ''not being christians as Christ was'' lool.. I just mention to you one thing: Egypt. Coptic Christians always were peaceful people... however, why muslims are now battling them!? why muslims -living in the same country, and being the same people- are attacking them, and try to finish their right to live there??. Because your muslims always loves to attacks those christians that are defenseless, or that have no will of resistance. That's why not even Al-Qaeda tried to attack Serbia nor Republika Srpska ^^.. Do you think that christians are being attacked in Pakistan and abroad in the Middle East just for the British Empire!? lol what a fool!.. They are aware of what they want: Wipe Out christians from the whole Middle East. The rest are just 'Taqiyas' for fools like you and our ''representative'' Pope. But i don't care how many 'names' you can put on me. that won't change what the Real Islam is, and how your 'Bosnia' will end if foreign empires still tries to keep 'Bosnia' united; just to please muslims. I also don´t care to talk with a person that: 1. distort all that i say in the convenience of you. 2.Dont' read and understand properly (lol). 3. That is a biased person, and Muslims-crimes Denier; 4. That just wants to say and hear what is convenient for you and your ''True Faith'', but that hides what is against you and your Islam (nothing new, just like your Saudi Arabia, and HAMAS-Ruled Gaza Strip are). And finally, that just makes Bad Propaganda against me based on YOUR OWN IDEAS AND IMAGINATION (that you always said that were MY words lol O.o).. well, not far from what we see in your ''Peaceful'' Gaza Strip, as well as Egypt and Sudan... Ahhh.. and Nigeria of course.
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by: Abdulmajid
June 01, 2011 18:38
My good man, It's impossible to defend a Ratko Mladic.At the beginning of the war he said to Karadzic that what he planned was genocide - and then proceeded to execute it. There were no jihadists in or near Srebrenica. Partition of Bosnia and nnexation of parts of it to its neighbor countries would create a second Palestine in Europe. Do the Bosniaks of today have to pay for the sins of their ancestors, or the Ottomans? And what aboutthe Serbs livingin the Federacija; or the Bosniaks in Srebrenica, Janja, Kozarac, would they have to be ethnically cleansed a second time? And also you accuse me of doing what the serbofascists do. Have I ever said that Serbs or Croats in Bosnioa should have less rights? ANd even if I say that the Cross will never chase the Crescent away from Bosnia I never have said that it should be vice versa. For the most time people lived in peace. Why do you think there were so many mixed marriages (of Muslims and Christians) in Bosnia? Now that that horriblemonster Mladic has been removed form circulation people should take this as a chance to see that xenophobia, bigotry, chauvinisma and wars do not make a people or a nation great.
But whenever I sa that I get mostly salnder and insult fromthose who believe that there are superior nations and ra<ces and inferior ones whom it ios legitimate to wipe out, and that's fascism. It does not matter who teh fasciswts were way back when, I'm only concerned withthe fascists of now. And I have never said I approve of persecutions of Christians in say Egypt or Pakistan (I don't!). But that these things happen does not give the serbs legitimacy to try to wipe out the Bosniaks! Now if the Serbs say the Bosniaks arfe traitors, turncoats etc because during the Ottoman era they were part of the Turkish elite, then so could many Muslims say that the Copts or the Pakistani Christians were at teh service of the British Empire. I just wanted to emphasize how wrong and immoral it is to try and justify xenophobic and genocidal acts with the alleged or real sins the ancestors of the targeted people committed.
And it is not Islam that is evil, but there are some very evil people among Muslims as well who can do a lot of damage to the reputation of their people. Just like Mladic has tarnished the reputation of the Serb people. Or do you think I'm not aware that Usama bin Laden was as evil as Mladic? he has the same callous disregard for human lives. And as for investigating the deaths of non-Muslims in Bosnia, it's not like they wouldn't put any Muslims in the dock after all. It is legitimate, but only out of a honest aim for reonciliation, and not to throw mud at the Bosniaks in the hope that then people will not notice how much mud still sticks on the Serbofascists (and I say serbofascists to distinguish them from those Serbs who are not xenophobic and anti-Muslim!) You say I'm childish yet how did you hit the roof, I must really have touched a nerve there, look here, dear fellow, I have followed this whole sad weary mess since its beginnings and I have documented myself very well I think (and not one single book by islamist propagandists), why don't you? And ask the people in Sarajevo and the survivors of Srebrenica, Foca, Prijedor and Zvornik.
And try to relax a bit, man!
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by: Felipe Muñoz from: Santiago, Chile
May 30, 2011 23:08
If your Islam is ''So-Peaceful''.. can you explain WHY almost nobody wants to share lands with your ''True and peaceful Faith''?, let me refresh you a little: Sudan (North-South conflict, and rising tensions in South Kordofan), Nigeria (civil wars, and unjustified unrests caused because muslims always wants to lead all :/); Egypt (no need to remember what, i think that you know very well what happens there ^^); Phillipines (conflict with muslim rebels in the south of Mindanao); Lebanon (since the moment that muslims are mayority, Lebanon has so often seen conflict between Sunnis and Shias.. as well as attacks on christians; and a growing unstability); US (''Peaceful Muslims'' taking violent attacks on the country that brought them shelter and freedom, to even get a weapon lol)... blah blah blah (as you say) the examples are wide to disscus them in a post XD. Anyways, if you can think that im a Islamophobic.. so be it ^^. But as i have to repeat you again (uff, what a nut), I will not be the reason of your ''unified'' Bosnia falling into FAIL.. the reasons will be the lack of reality of people like YOU, that are not enough critic to admit that NO-ONE (including your bosniaks) wants to live anymore time with the others. After all, Europe so usually have commited so many world-wide FAILS.. and once again.. this 'country' is being kept just by EU ambitions... nothing more ^^.

But feel relieved.. your country can be saved if Bosniaks and muslims learn to respect the serbs and croats freedom to be Christians.. If yours insists with your wahhabist campaigs inside there.. Bosnia will be destinated to end violently (i have heard even croats that are agree to go to war, if that can defend their faith adn lands). More disscusions with you are non-sense, you usually make Loops in what are you saying ^^.
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by: Abdulmajid
May 31, 2011 18:21
Oh, I never said Muslims were perfect. Of course there are very evil persons among Muslims (indeed, te war in Sudan is a fratricidal war and as condemnable as the genocidal anti-Bonsiak crusade) but I can assure you, were I in command in Bosia I would never do a Srebrenica.
You say Muslims in Bosia need to respect Christians. Yes, of course. But please, vice versa too, and that does not happen in "RS". I'm not a wahhabi; butthen even Wahhabis can be good people; most people in Qatar are. And you don't hear anything bad about them.
If you speak out of a triue desire for peace and reconciliation then it would be most foolish to disapprove of that; but what with all the Bosniak-baiting and Muslim-bashing I have to take every day, what can I say? Yes, I have said that the Cross will never chase the Crescent way from Bosnia...but that does not mean that it should happen vice versa. Should it come to another military confromntation the Bosniaks couod not keep the Bosnian Serbs in chains forever anywaya. When will people learn to respect each other, the region was peaceful for longer time than at war and even in the Ottoman times the Serbsd DID have rights; Nobody wants a return to such times anyway, hey, we're not in the Middle Ages after all (at least not I!)
But there ARE Such people who still want to bring teh Bosniakws to their knee. They will not succeed, liek the Israelis with all their superior military might have not broken the Palestinians.
People in Bosnia and Serbia should take this as a chance for a new start; but as long as such like Mladic are around it will be very difficult. Partgition is not teh solution. Ireland has been partitioned too, and it has not brought peace. The Serbs must realize like the Germans and the Japanese that wars do not make a naton great. The Serbs' struggle against superior Nazi forces (but I mean the Partisans here! ANd they were not the only ones, there were enough others!)is surely heroic, but there is nothing heroic in the war against the Bosniaks they have been leading on and off from 1878 on. Yes, asking for fair justice towards all and for mutual respect is all right, but I must be sure those who say it mean it.
And I do know there are Serbs around who have their heart in the right spot.
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