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Discovery Challenges Pillar Of Modern Physics

Albert Einstein's famous theory is one of the pillars of modern physics.
Albert Einstein's famous theory is one of the pillars of modern physics.
By Ron Synovitz
Scientists at CERN, the Switzerland-based European Organization for Nuclear Research, say they think they have documented subatomic particles moving faster than the speed of light.

The implications of their findings are so revolutionary that the researchers say they cannot quite believe it themselves.

If confirmed, their work would prove that the basis of Albert Einstein's famous 1905 equation for the theory of relativity -- E=mc2 -- is wrong. According to Einstein's theory, there is nothing that can travel faster than the speed of light.

The European Organization for Nuclear Research outside Geneva
The findings from CERN has been met with skepticism among other physicists around the world. In fact, the researchers themselves say they are not ready to proclaim a discovery.

Instead, after three years of observations and data collecting, the researchers in Switzerland are asking other physicists around the world to try to independently verify their measurements of strange subatomic particles called "neutrinos."

CERN spokesman James Gillies told RFE/RL today that the "general consensus" among the world's physicists is that there must have been some fault in the design of the experiment, the equipment used, or the method of analyzing the data.

"This kind of thing happens quite often in science," Gillies says. "An experiment will measure something that looks unusual and the first thing you do there is say, 'We don't really believe this.' Then you try to understand it in terms of your experimental apparatus, your analysis, your techniques, and so on and so forth.

"Most of the time you do that and you find some rather mundane explanation and [the unexpected observation] goes away. But occasionally, you don't. That's what has happened in this case. The collaboration that has analyzed this data has tried very, very hard to understand it in terms of their apparatus and it hasn't gone away. So the next step is to put it up for scrutiny by the broader particle physics community, and that is actually what is happening right now."

Similar Results In 2007

Scientists at a competing research facility -- the Chicago-based Fermilab -- already have started looking at CERN's results. In fact, Fermilab researchers had found similar faster-than-light results in 2007 when studying neutrinos. But Fermilab's earlier work came with a large margin of error that raised doubts about whether the subatomic particles they studied had really gone faster than the supposed cosmic speed barrier of 299,792 kilometers per second.

In the latest CERN research, meanwhile, researchers from France and Italy fired a neutrino beam from a particle accelerator near Geneva to a laboratory 730 kilometers away in Italy. They found the neutrinos had traveled 60 billionths of a second faster than the speed of light, and they calculated that their margin of error was just 10 billionths of a second -- small enough to make the results scientifically significant.

Gillies says scientists spent months checking and rechecking their results to make sure there were no flaws in their experiment.

"Relativity has withstood the test of time for nearly a century, and it's not because people haven't been testing it. People have," Gillies says. "People have been measuring, doing experiments, and making observations about relativity for a very long time. And so far, nothing has shown that anything breaks this cosmic speed limit.

"So this would actually be at odds with quite a lot of what has gone before. That doesn't mean it is wrong. But there is a very strong feeling in the community that there must be a different explanation out there."

If the observations of the scientists at CERN are independently verified, Gillies says the work would have enormous implications for the future study of physics.

"One of the big dilemmas arising from 20th century physics is that so much of modern physics is based on two pillars that came up in the early part of the last century," he says. "One of them is relativity and the other is quantum mechanics. Relativity is a theory of gravity. There is no quantum theory of gravity. So trying to reconcile these two things is one of the really [most important goals] -- if not the most important goal -- for modern physics.

"If you start to find things like this, then maybe that would give you a way to reconcile the two basic pillars of modern physics. But first of all, we need to make sure whether this [observation] is real or not."

However, Gillies says it will be at least months -- and possibly several years -- before the results of independent research is completed.
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by: Hillel
September 23, 2011 09:49
Saying Einstein was "wrong" because of the Cern Neutrino experiment is like saying Newon was "wrong" because of Einstein. We still have vast physical phenomenae that can well be comprehended, analyzed and even harnessed to our distnict advantage using their theories which will certainly serve the human race for many generations to come.

by: Art K from: S. Calif
September 23, 2011 09:54
Actually, Einstein's equations says that nothing that has mass can travel AT the speed of light (the divisor for relativistic mass gores to zero). The divisor is well defined for speeds ABOVE the speed of light and the relativistic mass is finite. Of course, then the mass is no longer a simple scalar value but becomes a complex number which should lead to all kinds of new physics.

by: Hanna
September 23, 2011 09:57
Perhaps Einstein was right and Quantum Mechanics needs to be reviewed?
Another good reason for the development of a unified physical theory. However, to develop such a theory we need another Einstein. Any suggestions?

by: Darren F Hawkes from: Derby UK
September 23, 2011 10:26
I am not a scientist, so please forgive me if this post is incorrect, but the comment above stating nothing can go faster than the speed of light only applies to objects with mass, isn't a neutrino without mass, therefore not bound by Einsteins law?
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by: Nada
September 24, 2011 20:34
A nuetrino is not massless, but is very very small.
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by: Gio from: london
September 25, 2011 09:33
When it's said that nothing can go faster than light we mean nothing at all, with or without mass, but a massless particle can and will go to the speed of light.
Also it is believed neutrinos to have a mass (even if very small) which should stop them to actually reach the speed of light, so of course that is why this new results are so unexpected.

by: asail77 from: los angeles
September 23, 2011 11:51
According to Einstein, if an object is approaching the speed of light, then relative to others, that object is traveling through time. Maybe the particles arrive early because they went through time, not because they went faster than the speed of light.

by: Nord Kaukasus
September 24, 2011 00:08
"Nature and nature's laws lay hid in night;
God said "Let Newton be" and all was light.
It could not last; the Devil shouting "Ho!
Let Einstein be!" restored the status quo."

by: Anonymous
September 24, 2011 16:10
Looks like they act on saying: to search under the lamp. The second attempt to refute the special relativity. Its the "protest physics",I think.

by: Ajay Sharma from: Shimla
September 24, 2011 16:53
See, theoretical aspects

Einstein, A Ann. der Phys. 18 (1905) 639-641.
In this paper Einstein derived E=mc2.

The derivation is applicable under SPECIAL CONDITIONS. Also gives inconsistent results.

For details visit

Derivation of E=mc2 Revisited
Link http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/V18NO3PDF/V18N3SHA.pdf
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by: sanjeev kumar chaturvedi from: New Delhi
September 24, 2011 18:54
I think Einstine's famous equation e=mc2 is valid under certain limt.In nature the converse of every law is present on macroscopic level but we can't see any example only on microscopic view we can see an example in anhilation.It is needful to review the laws of special theory of relativity and laws of quantum mechanics even I think Newton's law of gravitation and laws of motion is applicable under certain limts such as if a block of mass 'm' with constant velociy it's inertial mass is not defind even definition of viscosity and basic laws of vector algebra is also need a review.

by: Jeff Popplewell from: Cincinnati, Ohio
September 24, 2011 17:07
At this URL, you will find a recording of the webcast that took place at CERN yesterday afternoon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFz3fJMJ-yA

by: dhananjay shantaram janor from: Akola,Maharashtra State,
October 03, 2011 16:09

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