They were getting hacked by Russia before it was cool.
They were the target of Kremlin information attacks before it became trendy.
They had their territory occupied by pro-Moscow proxies before we ever heard of little green men.
In many ways, Georgia was a testing ground for -- and a harbinger of -- what we now call hybrid warfare.
And this week in Tbilisi, officials, security analysts, and policy experts gathered to discuss the lessons learned and the way forward.
So in the face of Russian revanchism and given the fact that NATO membership is clearly not in the cards anytime soon, how do you provide security in an insecure zone?
On this week's Power Vertical Podcast, I discuss this issue with David Rakviashvili, secretary of Georgia's National Security Council, and Michael Carpenter, former U.S. deputy assistant secretary of defense and currently the director of the Penn Biden Center.
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